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From: David Knecht :      knecht-at-uconn.edu
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:14:49 -0400
Subject: FRET

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I know that there is concern in the community about whether what is
being published as FRET is really FRET or not. I think we are seeing
FRET but want to know where I could be misleading myself. We have
expressed the same actin binding domain in cells from two different
plasmids. One is a fusion with GFP and one with mRFP-1. The
population is not uniform in expression, so that there are cells
expressing green only, cells expressing red only and cells expressing
both. Examining the cell population with a Leica SP2, we tuned the
two channels to acquire green and red signals. The green channel is
tuned to see green cells only when the 488 laser is on and under
these conditions there is no signal in the red channel for those
green only cells. With only the 547 laser on, we see the red only
cells and nothing in the green channel. When both lasers are on
simultaneously, we see green, red and yellow cells. Now when we
image with the 488 laser only and look in the red channel, the cells
that were expressing both show a signal that is similar to but not
identical to either red or green alone, and the single expressing
cells show nothing. As far as I understand things, this must be
FRET. Am I missing any controls to verify this? Thanks-Dave
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University of Connecticut
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From: shashi singh :      shashis_99-at-yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FRET

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Dear Tamara-
I am presuming the samples are fixed and sort of
infilterated with sucrose-PVP,they are better left at
RT. This is before they are cryofixed for sectioning.
Shashi

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From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 03 04:04:22 -0500
Subject: Elimination of STEM/EDS copper lines

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-- [ From: Garber, Charles A. * EMC.Ver #3.1a ] --

Ling Pan wrote:
============================================================================
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When I do STEM/EDS analyses on my TEM specimens on 200- or 300-mesh Cu grids
, I always find Cu peaks present no matter where the beam shoots. Sometimes
they can even be more intense than the peaks from my specimen when I am
working on PtRu nanoparticles (~ 2 nm in size). Can anyone tell me the cause
of the Cu signals? If the EDS spectrum shows signals from Cu grids which is
more than a micron away from the beam, how can one be sure about the probe
size or spatial resolution then?
============================================================================
=
There are several "solutions" to this problem:

1] Use Be grids, see URL
www.2spi.com/catalog/grids/beryl.shtml

and eliminate the copper lines. If you are working in an institution where
Be is not permitted, we hope to have our diamond (made from diamond) mesh
grids available again later this year, after having been temporarily taken
out of production.

2] Silicon nitride membrane window TEM grids
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/instruments/silicon-nitride.shtml

These grids, especially at the 30 nm thickness level, should be contributing
very little to any extraneous secondary fluorescence effects. I won't say
zero but the problem will be far less bothersome than with a copper grid,
especially if you are doing your work near the center of the window.

Disclaimer: SPI Supplies has been a long time global supplier of both
beryllium TEM grids and also, silicon nitride membrane window TEM grids.

Chuck

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From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 03 04:26:16 -0500
Subject: Double sided conductive tabs

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-- [ From: Garber, Charles A. * EMC.Ver #3.1a ] --

Chris Blanford wrote:
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First, has anyone noticed that the new tabs don't seem to be very
conductive? I'm using Agar G3347 12mm conductive carbon tabs.

I've taken a multimeter to a tab on a stub and the resistance is off the
scale. If I place a tab between two stubs and press them together as hard
as possible, I still have a resistance of several megohms between the two
Al stubs. Unfortunately I don't have any of the old, thinner ones to
compare.

Second, has anybody else seen cases where the adhesive seems to have
penetrated or collapsed a porous structure? We look at polymer films about
10-30 microns thick with holes ~100nm in diameter. On the thinner films
especially, the bits of the film firmly in contact with the tabs are always
less porous or non-porous than the bits that are suspended above. Could it
be that the adhesive is that thick and that it's penetrating our films?
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At SPI Supplies, over the years, we have been contacted by customers who
have had one problem or another with the use of not only their double sided
conductive carbon tabs (we call them discs), but also essentially the same
product in the form of either "carbon tape" or "carbon sheets". As a side
comment, it has always been somewhat of an amazement to me that so many
users of these products seem to forget where they actually did make their
purchase, and once we press for further information, it turns out that the
product of their frustration did not even necessarily have an SPI Supplies
progeny.

But one aspect of these kinds of products (all of them, irrespective of the
form, or vendor) is that they do have a finite shelf-life, meaning
specifically, that with the passing of time, there is a loss of properties,
the most noticeable one being loss of tac. This is also accompanied with a
loss of electrical properties (the material becomes more resistive). So if
you are interested in extending the shelf life of your stock of such
products, they should be stored refrigerated since this will slow down
significantly the changes (storing at 10 C deg. lower will slow down the
ageing rate by roughly a factor of ten times). A carbon disc that is past
its prime, because of the higher resistivity, can even seem to be "bubbling"
or experiencing other strange behavior. But this is not a matter of thin
vs. thick, but one of age.

As an aside, for some, especially those using these products in UHV systems,
the off-gassing characteristics are as important if not more so than the
resistivity characteristics. There are indeed differences in the vacuum
compatibility between these types of products from different sources. I
will avoid making comment about where the SPI Supplies origin products stand
in this respect, but only to make the point that we have arrived at a system
that is optimized for a number of properties other than just electrical
conductivity.

Unfortunately, for the typical user, unless they are making their purchase
from the "ultimate source", and they have some reason to believe they are
indeed receiving "fresh" material, the important variable of remaining shelf
-life is introduced. We have seen instances over the years where a customer
purchases material from a stocking distributor but unbeknown to them, the
material had sat in that inventory for some number of years. So while it
might be a "fresh" purchase so far as the customer is concerned, the
material they are actually receiving is far from being fresh. Should the
problems someone might be having be with a product of SPI Supplies origin,
send us the lot number on the maroon SPI Supplies label and at least as a
starting point, we can establish how old or fresh is that particular
material.

We have ourselves directly received reports supposedly comparing the so-
called thinner material vs. the so-called thicker material. We have not
ourselves actually run controlled experiments side by side to compare the
thin vs. thick material but only because we have not had any reason to do so
. The SPI offered material has always been what one would call the "thick"
material, and we are not aware of anyone who has really had problems with
the SPI product. Naturally if one was having some kind of problem, we
would like to know about it so that we could better understand the cause of
such a problem.

But when the material eventually gets into the hands of the final end user,
in addition to the potential variation in remaining shelf life, other
differences can be introduced such as for the die cut discs (when the die
cutting involved too much pressure), some of the silicone release liner can
be transferred to the disc, at times so much so that the disc becomes non-
conductive (from an SEM perspective) and it could also result in "bubbling".
One way to test out if this is indeed a problem you are experiencing,
compare the result you get with the disc vs. the result you get with carbon
tape (making sure it is of the same material). If the carbon tape "works"
but the disc does not, all other factors such as age being the same, then it
would be our own prediction that the problem is the result of release liner
transferral to the disc during the die cutting.

So my point is, it is clear that this could be much more than just "where it
came from" or whether it is "thin" vs. "thick" material. If you have had
favorable experience with the carbon tabs from a particular vendor, then you
are getting fresh and not stale dated material. If you want to extend the
useful lifetime of your carbon adhesive products, store them refrigerated.
If you have had a less-than-satisfactory experience with your double sided
conductive carbon products, and are looking to make a change, consider the
range of products on URL
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/spec_prep/cond_adhes.html

If you have a UHV system, consider the 6 mm wide tape product, make
expressly to minimize the amount of organics put into the vacuum system.

Disclaimer: SPI Supplies was one of the first in the world to offer double
sided conductive carbon products for SEM applications so we would naturally
have a vested interest in calling our range of products to everyone's
attention.

Chuck

PS: Remember that we are striving to be 100% paperless, therefore there
are no paper copies kept of this correspondence. Please be sure to always
reply by way of "reply" on your software so that the entire string of
correspondence can be kept in one place.
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President 1-800-2424-SPI
SPI SUPPLIES FAX: 1-610-436-5755
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From: Barbara Foster :      bfoster-at-mme1.com
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:28:53 -0700
Subject: Re: focussing coolpix+microscope

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.. And don't forget to focus the camera using the lowest power mag on your
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From: susan buma :      susan_buma-at-inbox.net
Date: 2 Jun 2003 12:17:10 -0000
Subject: I am miss Susan Buma

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Abidjan cote d'Ivoire.
West Africa.

Dear Sir,
I am miss Susan Buma, from Sierra Leone a
country in west africa,I am 2oyrs old and a high school
student.Please I would like you toassist me urgently as you
can before they kill me please.

My father is a wealthy cocoa merchant.When Trouble began
early last year my father's business associates start
suspecting that my father is not giving proper accounts of
all the tons of cocoa being cultivated by local farmers in
some villages. As a result of this discovery and the
enviness of the money ,he was poisioned by his business
associates.At his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the
reasons of his present predicament.He directed me where to
get the documents of the said deposit, that he made me the
next of kin and advice me to move immediately to Abidjan
West Africa,where he deposited the money in a local bank.

Being the only child.He advise me that if he did not
survival this illness,that I should not stay in the country
because his business associates will equally distroy my
life hence my mother died five years ago of breast cancer.

He directed me that I should look for a foreign partner
who will help me to transfer the money into the person's
or companies account and the person will help me to invest
the money in their country. After all these,he finally
died on 5th of November, my his genle soul rest in perfect
peace Amen. And since then I was droped from school
(University) and went into hiding for my life in Abidjan,
because of my father's business associates. All the
relevant documents of the $10.5 (ten million five hundred
thousand dollars) that was deposited in the bank
are with me now .

I am ready to give you 14% of this fund ,if you can help
me transfer this fund into your account overseas for
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Please contact me immediately with the above E-mail
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Abidjan cote d'Ivoire.
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Dear Sir,
I am miss Susan Buma, from Sierra Leone a
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student.Please I would like you toassist me urgently as you
can before they kill me please.

My father is a wealthy cocoa merchant.When Trouble began
early last year my father's business associates start
suspecting that my father is not giving proper accounts of
all the tons of cocoa being cultivated by local farmers in
some villages. As a result of this discovery and the
enviness of the money ,he was poisioned by his business
associates.At his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the
reasons of his present predicament.He directed me where to
get the documents of the said deposit, that he made me the
next of kin and advice me to move immediately to Abidjan
West Africa,where he deposited the money in a local bank.

Being the only child.He advise me that if he did not
survival this illness,that I should not stay in the country
because his business associates will equally distroy my
life hence my mother died five years ago of breast cancer.

He directed me that I should look for a foreign partner
who will help me to transfer the money into the person's
or companies account and the person will help me to invest
the money in their country. After all these,he finally
died on 5th of November, my his genle soul rest in perfect
peace Amen. And since then I was droped from school
(University) and went into hiding for my life in Abidjan,
because of my father's business associates. All the
relevant documents of the $10.5 (ten million five hundred
thousand dollars) that was deposited in the bank
are with me now .

I am ready to give you 14% of this fund ,if you can help
me transfer this fund into your account overseas for
onward investment in your country.

Please contact me immediately with the above E-mail
address and include your telephone and Fax number to enable
me to forward it to the banker for the immediate transfer
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arrangement to remove me out from this country before they
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Dear Sir,
I am miss Susan Buma, from Sierra Leone a
country in west africa,I am 2oyrs old and a high school
student.Please I would like you toassist me urgently as you
can before they kill me please.

My father is a wealthy cocoa merchant.When Trouble began
early last year my father's business associates start
suspecting that my father is not giving proper accounts of
all the tons of cocoa being cultivated by local farmers in
some villages. As a result of this discovery and the
enviness of the money ,he was poisioned by his business
associates.At his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the
reasons of his present predicament.He directed me where to
get the documents of the said deposit, that he made me the
next of kin and advice me to move immediately to Abidjan
West Africa,where he deposited the money in a local bank.

Being the only child.He advise me that if he did not
survival this illness,that I should not stay in the country
because his business associates will equally distroy my
life hence my mother died five years ago of breast cancer.

He directed me that I should look for a foreign partner
who will help me to transfer the money into the person's
or companies account and the person will help me to invest
the money in their country. After all these,he finally
died on 5th of November, my his genle soul rest in perfect
peace Amen. And since then I was droped from school
(University) and went into hiding for my life in Abidjan,
because of my father's business associates. All the
relevant documents of the $10.5 (ten million five hundred
thousand dollars) that was deposited in the bank
are with me now .

I am ready to give you 14% of this fund ,if you can help
me transfer this fund into your account overseas for
onward investment in your country.

Please contact me immediately with the above E-mail
address and include your telephone and Fax number to enable
me to forward it to the banker for the immediate transfer
of the fund into your normited account, then you make an
arrangement to remove me out from this country before they
kill me.

I'm waiting for your urgent reply.

Best regards,

Miss Susan Buma.





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Abidjan cote d'Ivoire.
West Africa.

Dear Sir,
I am miss Susan Buma, from Sierra Leone a
country in west africa,I am 2oyrs old and a high school
student.Please I would like you toassist me urgently as you
can before they kill me please.

My father is a wealthy cocoa merchant.When Trouble began
early last year my father's business associates start
suspecting that my father is not giving proper accounts of
all the tons of cocoa being cultivated by local farmers in
some villages. As a result of this discovery and the
enviness of the money ,he was poisioned by his business
associates.At his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the
reasons of his present predicament.He directed me where to
get the documents of the said deposit, that he made me the
next of kin and advice me to move immediately to Abidjan
West Africa,where he deposited the money in a local bank.

Being the only child.He advise me that if he did not
survival this illness,that I should not stay in the country
because his business associates will equally distroy my
life hence my mother died five years ago of breast cancer.

He directed me that I should look for a foreign partner
who will help me to transfer the money into the person's
or companies account and the person will help me to invest
the money in their country. After all these,he finally
died on 5th of November, my his genle soul rest in perfect
peace Amen. And since then I was droped from school
(University) and went into hiding for my life in Abidjan,
because of my father's business associates. All the
relevant documents of the $10.5 (ten million five hundred
thousand dollars) that was deposited in the bank
are with me now .

I am ready to give you 14% of this fund ,if you can help
me transfer this fund into your account overseas for
onward investment in your country.

Please contact me immediately with the above E-mail
address and include your telephone and Fax number to enable
me to forward it to the banker for the immediate transfer
of the fund into your normited account, then you make an
arrangement to remove me out from this country before they
kill me.

I'm waiting for your urgent reply.

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Abidjan cote d'Ivoire.
West Africa.

Dear Sir,
I am miss Susan Buma, from Sierra Leone a
country in west africa,I am 2oyrs old and a high school
student.Please I would like you toassist me urgently as you
can before they kill me please.

My father is a wealthy cocoa merchant.When Trouble began
early last year my father's business associates start
suspecting that my father is not giving proper accounts of
all the tons of cocoa being cultivated by local farmers in
some villages. As a result of this discovery and the
enviness of the money ,he was poisioned by his business
associates.At his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the
reasons of his present predicament.He directed me where to
get the documents of the said deposit, that he made me the
next of kin and advice me to move immediately to Abidjan
West Africa,where he deposited the money in a local bank.

Being the only child.He advise me that if he did not
survival this illness,that I should not stay in the country
because his business associates will equally distroy my
life hence my mother died five years ago of breast cancer.

He directed me that I should look for a foreign partner
who will help me to transfer the money into the person's
or companies account and the person will help me to invest
the money in their country. After all these,he finally
died on 5th of November, my his genle soul rest in perfect
peace Amen. And since then I was droped from school
(University) and went into hiding for my life in Abidjan,
because of my father's business associates. All the
relevant documents of the $10.5 (ten million five hundred
thousand dollars) that was deposited in the bank
are with me now .

I am ready to give you 14% of this fund ,if you can help
me transfer this fund into your account overseas for
onward investment in your country.

Please contact me immediately with the above E-mail
address and include your telephone and Fax number to enable
me to forward it to the banker for the immediate transfer
of the fund into your normited account, then you make an
arrangement to remove me out from this country before they
kill me.

I'm waiting for your urgent reply.

Best regards,

Miss Susan Buma.





From daemon Mon Jun 2 08:41:25 2003



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From daemon Mon Jun 2 08:51:38 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:42:55 -0500
Subject: RE: conductive tabs

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Sure, now conductivity of the tabs could be very poor.
On the tabs of one of the suppliers I even see charging
artifacts (rectangle scanning area is visible after lowering
of the magnification). And in some of the tabs I have found
a lot of sulfur.

Vladimir Dusevich

} First, has anyone noticed that the new tabs don't seem to be very
} conductive? I'm using Agar G3347 12mm conductive carbon tabs.
}
} I've taken a multimeter to a tab on a stub and the resistance is off
} the scale. If I place a tab between two stubs and press them together
} as hard as possible, I still have a resistance of several megohms
} between the two Al stubs. Unfortunately I don't have any of the old,
} thinner ones to compare.
}
} Second, has anybody else seen cases where the adhesive seems to have
} penetrated or collapsed a porous structure? We look at polymer films
} about 10-30 microns thick with holes ~100nm in diameter. On
} the thinner
} films especially, the bits of the film firmly in contact with
} the tabs
} are always less porous or non-porous than the bits that are suspended
} above. Could it be that the adhesive is that thick and that it's
} penetrating our films?
}
} Looking forward to hearing any insights.
}
} Regards,
}
} Chris Blanford
}
}
}


From daemon Mon Jun 2 09:42:31 2003



From: raphael maloney :      maloneyraph-at-sudanmail.net
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:01:32 +0300
Subject: FROM RAPHAEL MALONEY

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Dear Sir,

I am Mr. Raphael Maloney and my sister is Miss Sofie
Maloney, we are the
children
of late Chief John Maloney from Sierra Leone. I am writing
you in
absolute confidence primarily to seek your assistance to
transfer our cash
of
eleven Million Dollars ($11,000.000.00) now in the custody
of a private
Security trust firm in Europe the money is in trunk
box deposited and declared as family valuables by my late
father as a
matter of fact the company does not know the content as
money, although my
father made
them to under stand that the box belongs to his foreign
partner.

Source of the money:

My late father Chief John Maloney , a native of Makeni
District in the
Northerh province of Sierra Leone, was the General Manager
of Sierra Leone
Mining
co-operation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown . According to my father,
this money was
the
income accrued from Mining Co-operation's over draft and
minor sales.

Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces
of Major Paul
Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG peace keeping
operation that almost

destroyed my country, following the forceful removal from
power of the
civilian elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the
rebels. My father had
already made arrangement for his family thats talking
about my mother, my
little sister and myself to be evacuated to Cotonou
Republic of Benin with the CERTIFICATE OFDEPOSIT he made
with a security firm in Europe through the aid

of U.N
evacuation team.

During the war in my country, and following the
indiscriminate looting of
Public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the
Sierra Leone
mining
coop. Was one of the target looted and it was destroyed.
My father including

other top Government functionaries were attaked and killed
by the rebels in
November 2000 because of his relationship with the
civilian Government of
Ahmed Tejan Kabbah.

As a result of my father's death , and with the news of my
uncle's
involvement in the air crash in January it dashed our hope
of survival. The
untimely deaths caused my mother's heart failure and other
related
complications of which she later died in the hospital
after we must have
spent
a lot of money
on her early this year . Now my 18 years old sister and
myself are alone in
this strange country suffering without any care or help.
Without any
relation,
we are nowlike refugees and orphans.

Our only hope now is in you and the box deposited in the
Security Firm To
this effect, I humbly solicit your assistance in the
followings ways.

1. to assist me claim this box from the security
Firm as our beneficiary

2. to transfer this money (USD$11M) in your name to your
country

3. to make a good arrangement for a joint business
investment on our
behalf in your country and you, our Adviser/ Manager


For your assistance, I have agreed with my younger sister
that 15% of the
total amount will be for your effort and another 5 % to
cover all the
expenses that may incur during the business transaction,
Last, I urge you to

keep this transaction strictly confidential as no one
knows our where about.


Please as you show your willingness, Forward to us your
full name, address
and Tel/ Fax numbers, to me.

earnestly awaiting your response.

TO: raphmalon-at-slucia.com (MAY REPLY HERE)


Thanks.

May God bless you as you assist us.

Mr. RAPHAEL MALONEY.






Welcome to Sudan pioneer ISP
http://www.sudanet.net



From daemon Mon Jun 2 10:36:03 2003



From: Beauregard, Paul A. :      pabeauregard-at-ppg.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:26:10 -0400
Subject: Cu peaks in STEM/EDS

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Hi Ling,

It is well known that copper grids will give a background of Cu during EDX measurements.

As Walck said, you can use Be grids (best but $$) but I use Ti grids to eliminate this Cu interference peak. I run Cu grids and if my customer or I suspect we have copper in the sample, then I also make up a Ti grid. It helps to keep some Ni grid handy too. Use whatever grid does not show a Ti or Ni peak with the Cu grid spectra. Ti has very few interferences. Be grids will show nothing by EDX.

You should always use a Be specimen holder to do EDX. I have a Philips CM 12 and the regular holder has a higher ridge on it than the Be analytical holder right at the grid edge. I use top hat apertures too, FYI. If I use the regular holder, then I get a Cu peak with a slight Zn peak. This is coming from the holder because it is close to the beam position. This has nothing to do with your beam spot size within the grid opening unless you are right near the grid bar. More on that later.

To address your concerns about higher Cu peaks than the sample, this does happen. I do a lot of thin sections of polymer coatings and different thickness' produce higher Cu peaks. Now I do not see the Cu peak when I use my Ti or Ni grids. Otherwise if I did, everything I run would have 'scope Copper' in it. If the Cu is coming from the scope, then Be grids would also show Cu. Where's the iron peak from the scope's pole pieces? I do not think the Cu is coming from the scope for these reasons.
The Cu peaks can be higher for another reason. If the amount of carbon or polymer is high in the sample and somewhat lower in other elements, a higher Cu peak is observed. On the other hand, some ink coatings and ink jet pigment coatings I run that have a high pigment loadings, have higher 'metals' peaks than the copper peak.

In my opinion, the height of the Cu peak can be used to tell you that you should SUSPECT the material you are examining is highly loaded with organic. If I run a sample with a high Cu peak and nothing else shows up, then I conclude I have high organics, Be, Li, B or the geometry in the TEM is a problem. Philips has a lower EDX detector take off angle and geometry can be a problem.

So how is this Cu peak generated. From MY experience I have observed that it is caused by electrons from the sample being scattered around the holder. Take a pure formvar-carbon coated grid and run an EDX on it. The Cu peak should show up and it should be noisy. Then run a pure organic thin section and notice how the Cu peak signal to noise changes. You can also put more carbon on the formvar grid with an high vacuum old style evaporator to make a thicker carbon film. Use the formula in Electron Microscopy by John Bozzola on page 125 to determine the thickness you have added of rod. Instead of his density of materials (cm2*atomic thickness), use the regular density in a CRC handbook for bulk density. Correct his formula for this bulk density by multiplying John's formula by 10^(-8). I would use about 8 mgs minimum of carbon rod at a 10 CM height.

Carbon Mass = (4*Pi*distance2*thickness*rho)*(10^-8)/(sin beta)
The units are grams, cm, A, gm/cm3, degrees; respectively.
This can be derived by the integration of the surface area of revolution of a thin film of an atoms at distance, d, from a point source. For overhead evaporations, sin beta is 1.

You will see that the signal is proportional to the thickness of the carbon. Now this suggests to ME that the electrons impinge on your sample and are sprayed all around the areas of the holder. The thicker the thin film, the more electrons are scattered due to the increased path the electrons must travel. Some electron pass right through and hit your viewing screen. Right? Back scattered ones bounce right back up from the sample to your BS detector. Now there must be situations where the intermediate scattering exists and electrons do not miss the atoms or hit them dead center. These are the electrons that are scattered off to the sides of the sample and hit the holder and the grid material. They generate Cu, Ti, Ni or Be grid characteristic X-rays. These are the electron scatterings and interactions that are causing the metals to be seen in your spectra except Be will not show up.

Don't forget to remove your objective aperture during spectral collection. If you don't, the transmitted electrons will 'back scatter' and Pt will show up from the aperture material.

I hope my humble 'observations of the phenomena' help you understand what is going on here. You probably understand a lot of this but I wanted to make sure I covered most of what I have seen, just in case.

Paul Beauregard
Senior Research Associate
PPG Industries
Monroeville Technical Center
440 College Park Drive
Monroeville, PA 15146
800-446-3382 ext 5131


-----Original Message-----
} From: LING PAN [mailto:lup2-at-psu.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


When I do STEM/EDS analyses on my TEM specimens on 200- or 300-mesh Cu grids, I
always find Cu peaks present no matter where the beam shoots. Sometimes they
can even be more intense than the peaks from my specimen when I am working on
PtRu nanoparticles (~ 2 nm in size). Can anyone tell me the cause of the Cu
signals? If the EDS spectrum shows signals from Cu grids which is more than a
micron away from the beam, how can one be sure about the probe size or spatial
resolution then?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Ling

-------------------
Ling Pan, Ph.D.
248 MRL Building
Materials Research Institute
The Pennsylvania State University
University Park, PA 16802
Tel: (814)865-6115
Fax: (814)865-2326


From daemon Mon Jun 2 10:44:33 2003



From: paul r hazelton, PhD :      paul_hazelton-at-umanitoba.ca
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:36:24 -0500
Subject: Re: FRET

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david

i'm having a bit of a problem with your question. it sounds to me more
like you are discussing co-localization than FRET. while my knowledge
of FRET is based on the molecular side of my life, i have discussed this
with our technician who runs the confocal lab and one of the post-docs
in his lab group. they concur.

the key is that you are co-expressing chimeric proteins, GFP and mRFP-1,
which should fluoresce naturally when they are excited with the proper
wavelength. as soon as they are excited with the proper wavelengths
they will glow. they are not quenched. the
first problem here is based upon the fact that they will fluoresce
regardless of proximity to each other.

the second problem is that no matter how tightly you try to cut your
channels, the signal given off at each point in the spectrum represents
standard curves. they look like modified bell curves. as a result,
there is, and always will be a small area of overlap between two
different channels. if you excite for one and amplify the signal a lot
you will see signal in this area in the other channel. in short, when
you excite for green and look at red, you will get something in red that
does not really look like green or red. if this is what is happening,
you do not have FRET,

unless things have been defined differently in the con-focal area, and
we are not aware of such a difference, the major point about FRET is
Resonant Energy Transfer. you have something that does not fluoresce
when you excite it. the label on the molecule being used to signal what
you are looking for is marked with an inactive moiety. no matter how
you look at it you will see nothing. your second marker molecule
contains an activator. when the activator binds in close enough
proximity you will see a transfer of resonant energy. the demonstration
of this will be fluorescence. if there is no binding, or if they are
too far apart, you will not see fluorescence. in molecular detection,
binding must be within1-5 nucleotides, distance depending on with whom
you speak.

your controls here are problematic. the negative control is simple.
you put in your first and second detectors separately and see if either
fluoresces. if either or both do, something is wrong, it is not
fluorescent resonant energy transfer. the positive control requires
your attachment of the detector in close enough proximity. how you
design that in an experiment where you are looking at the expression of
fluorescent marker chimeric proteins eludes me totally.

paul hazelton



From daemon Mon Jun 2 10:49:49 2003



From: Caroline Schooley :      schooley-at-mcn.org
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:41:05 -0700
Subject: Microscopy education

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I'm happy to announce that the Project MICRO (Microscopy In
Curriculum - Research Outreach) web page has been thoroughly revised;
the URL is below. The text has been updated, and the reviewed
bibliography of books, videos, CD-ROMs, and websites has been
converted to a searchable database (THANK YOU, Nestor!). There's
been a major increase in the number of CDs listed. If you know about
missing items (nothing that's "out of print", please) contact me.

Are you making plans to attend M&M in San Antonio? Please note that
there will be a MICRO workshop on Sunday afternoon. It's a unique
opportunity; all 10 of the "Microscopic Explorations" learning
stations will be set up, and the leader will be a Texas "GEMS
Associate", an experienced teacher-trainer. Although the MICRO
workshop is grouped with several others that are intended for
Spanish-speaking attendees, it will be presented in English and
everyone will be welcome. If you're interested, please help us plan
by signing up for SC-11 (no charge) on your meeting reg form.
Questions? Contact me directly.
--
Caroline Schooley
Project MICRO Coordinator
Microscopy Society of America
Box 117, 45301 Caspar Point Road
Caspar, CA 95420
Phone/FAX (707)964-9460
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Intertidal invertebrates: http://www.fortbragg.k12.ca.us/AG/marinelab.html


From daemon Mon Jun 2 12:49:15 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:47:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Cu peaks in STEM/EDS

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On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 02:08 PM, LING PAN wrote:

} When I do STEM/EDS analyses on my TEM specimens on 200- or 300-mesh Cu
} grids, I
} always find Cu peaks present no matter where the beam shoots.
} Sometimes they
} can even be more intense than the peaks from my specimen when I am
} working on
} PtRu nanoparticles (~ 2 nm in size). Can anyone tell me the cause of
} the Cu
} signals? If the EDS spectrum shows signals from Cu grids which is more
} than a
} micron away from the beam, how can one be sure about the probe size or
} spatial
} resolution then?
}
} Thanks in advance for any comments.
}
Dear Ling,
There are several possible sources for these peaks. 1) You could have
either electrons or x-rays coming down the column outside the beam,
arising from scattering from apertures, etc. 2) Electrons could be
back-scattered from the lower objective pole piece. 3) Electrons
scattered from your specimen could hit the grid bars. If the peaks are
constant regardless of how far you are from a grid bar, you are likely
dealing with either of the first two sources, and if the peaks are
related to the position on the grid, the third source is significant.
If you put a bare Cu grid in the scope, focus the beam on the middle of
a grid square, and take a spectrum, do you get any peaks--especially a
Cu peak? If so, you need to improve the shielding in the microscope.
You can take a spectrum from one of your particles, then take a series
of spectra from points displaced from the particle by various amounts.
This will give you a background that you can subtract for quantitation,
but that is less satisfactory than eliminating the spurious peaks.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Mon Jun 2 13:05:41 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:06:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Plunge Freeze Cryogen

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On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 05:17 PM, William P. Sharp wrote:

} We have been discussing the cryogens normally used for plunge freezing
} - things like propane and ethane and (formerly) Freons of various
} stripe. All have some rather significant downside, like potential
} environmental damage with Freons and the potentially explosive
} condensation of liquid oxygen in the hydrocarbons. This makes a rather
} routine and quite useful protocol fraught with drama, especially when
} it must be done in underground labs.
}
} Do any of you materials folks out there know of a compound or class of
} compounds that have a rather large temperature spread between the
} freezing and boiling points and which remain liquid at or near liquid
} nitrogen temperatures (-196C) and which are also essentially inert
} with regard to oxidation potential and which (as long as I'm dreaming)
} have no real effect on human health? We were thinking that probably a
} whole bunch of stuff has been synthesized in the last 20 or so years
} that fit the bill (that is, since the pioneers of cryofixation did
} their initial search for likely fluids), but that the people who know
} about these compounds don't know why we would want to use them, and
} those of us who need new, safe cryogens don't really know about the
} possibility of these new substances.
}
Dear William,
I can set your mind at ease on at least one thing. Since the freezing
point of ethane is given as -183 C in the Handbook of Chemistry and
Physics, and the boiling point of oxygen is given as -182.9 C in the
same source, it is not a real concern that oxygen will condense in
liquid ethane, especially since one always uses warm ethane gas to melt
solid ethane during freezing. There may be some real danger of ethane
exploding--our safety office was very concerned--but I have never heard
of an actual occurrence of this.
As far as other substances with low freezing points (and, of course,
good thermal conductivity), in general, the larger the molecule, the
higher the freezing point, so suitable cryogens may be restricted to
small molecules, which can be rather easily enumerated. This last
comment is strictly a guess on my part, but I think it unlikely that
any suitable substance has been synthesized only in the last few years.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Mon Jun 2 14:36:46 2003



From: Patricia de Winter :      cdewi02-at-students.bbk.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:25:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Filter for FITC and FM 4-64 fluorescence

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Hi,

Can anyone help me? I need to purchase a filter for viewing
fluorescence but I don't know which is appropriate. I have
a filter that transmits light to the eyepiece of our
Wild-Heerbrugg M20 through which I am able to view
both green and red fluorescence but I want to take digital
images via the phototube so I need a filter for that too.
Unfortunately I have no idea what type of filter it is. If
possible, I would like to use two fluorophores
simultaneously: FITC (ex495/em520 and FM 4-64
(ex560/em730). What should I buy?

Many thanks,

Patricia
----------------------
Patricia de Winter
cdewi02-at-students.bbk.ac.uk



From daemon Mon Jun 2 14:45:00 2003



From: P. Geil :      geil-at-uiuc.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:37:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Plunge Freeze Cryogen

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On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 05:17 PM, William P. Sharp wrote:

} We have been discussing the cryogens normally used for plunge
} freezing - things like propane and ethane and (formerly) Freons of
} various stripe. All have some rather significant downside, like
} potential environmental damage with Freons and the potentially
} explosive condensation of liquid oxygen in the hydrocarbons. This
} makes a rather routine and quite useful protocol fraught with drama,
} especially when it must be done in underground labs.
}
Do any of you materials folks out there know of a compound or class
of compounds that have a rather large temperature spread between the
freezing and boiling points and which remain liquid at or near liquid
nitrogen temperatures (-196C) and which are also essentially inert
with regard to oxidation potential and which (as long as I'm
dreaming) have no real effect on human health? We were thinking that
probably a whole bunch of stuff has been synthesized in the last 20
or so years that fit the bill (that is, since the pioneers of
cryofixation did their initial search for likely fluids), but that
the people who know about these compounds don't know why we would
want to use them, and those of us who need new, safe cryogens don't
really know about the possibility of these new substances.

We have long used a slurry of isopentane as a quenchant to produce
amorphous samples of readily crystallizable polymers. The Tm is 113
K, so oxygen condensation should not be a problem and we found it
gave a " better" quench than the refrigerant UCON-12 (Tm = 118) for
material like linear polyethylene. We originally replaced the UCON
with a slurry of nitrogen, but had to use liquid He or pumping to
partially freeze it and the isopentane was simpler since it can be
partially frozen in liquid N2. Refs. include Polymer, 20, 903 (1979),
J. Macromol. Sci., Phys. B20, 37 (1981) and ibid, B21, 617 (1982)
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From: Marie E. Cantino :      cantino-at-uconnvm.uconn.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:42:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Plunge Freeze Cryogen

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I also use explosive liquid cryogens (usually propane) for freezing and
would be interested in whether anyone else knows of cases of explosions
occuring during use in this way. The two (anecdotal) cases of explosions I
have heard were

1) an explosion when someone broke a light in the hood while using propane
or ethane and

2) an explosion in a condensing coil being used to condense gaseous
propane. The explanation of the latter was that oxygen condensed in the
cold coil after the propane flow was turned off. I now condense the
propane directly into a cold vessel set down in a styrofoam container of
liquid nitrogen, which should keep the environment around the liquid
propane purged of air. I thaw the propane when it freezes either with
liquid propane or with a warm metal rod.

Any ideas about this? I am wondering whether there are other precautions.

Marie

Dr. Marie E. Cantino
Director, Electron Microscopy Laboratory
Associate Professor of Physiology and Neurobiology
University of Connecticut Unit 3242
Storrs, CT 06269-3242
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From daemon Mon Jun 2 20:43:24 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:31:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Plunge Freeze Cryogen

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I think static electricity may be a real problem for liquid propane/ethane.
Therefore, it's safer to use metal container and needles instead glass or
plastic. Container itself should not be a big problem because of water
condensation but plastic tubings. If dry propane/ethane travel through
plastic tubing it may be enough to generate static electricity and
therefore spark. Sergey


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From daemon Mon Jun 2 21:21:09 2003



From: Helen Turner :      h.turner-at-waikato.ac.nz
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:12:22 +1200
Subject: Dewars

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Hello All,

I'm looking for a couple of 10 litre dewars for liquid nitrogen and
wondered if anyone could recommend a supplier?
Alternatively if anyone in New Zealand has any second hand ones for sale
I'd be interested.

Regards, Helen.



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New Zealand

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From daemon Tue Jun 3 01:37:17 2003



From: erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=F8rbr=F8den?= :      erik.sorbroden-at-fys.uio.no
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:15:38 +0200
Subject: To Gatan serial EELS owners. Diagram for "old" Gatan serial

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To whom it may concern.
If somebody has got a diagram for the Spectrum Monitor and related diagrams,
could you please fax it to me. Thank you very much. Its urgent.
Erik Sorbroden, Norway
Center for materials Science
fax +47 22 84 06 51



From daemon Tue Jun 3 09:20:10 2003



From: Jim Haley :      haley-at-mvia.com
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:08:35 -0400
Subject: Re: focussing coolpix+microscope

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Michael,

I would assume that you are correct, the issue is the length of your trinocular
adapter.

Take a look at our webpage which lists solutions for adapting to the cameras to
all the major microscope manufacturers as well as the 'off-brands' as well via a
couple of mounting options:
http://www.mvia.com/Coolpix/clpxadpt.htm

Our solutions are probably less expensive than other options you have looked
at. Please feel free to contact me with your microscope model if you would like
to go over the various options.

Thanks!
Jim Haley

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MVIA, Inc.
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Monaca, PA 15061
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} We have adapted a Nikon Coolpix 5000 to our microscope with trinocular
} head. The adaptation is not specific to the microscope, and we are having a
} problem with focus. That is, we can elevate the stage for vision's focus,
} or we can elevate the stage for the camera's focus ... but neither are
} coincident ... and we imagine this is because the adaptation is not specific
} to the microscope (the adapter being quite expensive for this particular
} brand & model). Judging from playing with the adapter, its tube-length is
} slightly too long.
}
} I suppose we were hoping the camera could be manually focussed, so that
} both could be made coincident, but for the Coolpix we cannot find a way of
} manually focussing. Or, it may be impossible to focus because the adapter's
} tube-length is too long rather than too short. Is this the correct
} assumption? What have others done?
}
} cheerios ... shAf :o)
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From: LING PAN :      lup2-at-psu.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cu peaks in STEM/EDS

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Dear Dr. Sarbu and Dr. Tivol,

Thanks a lot for your information. I did collect "in-hole" spectra together with
spectra on specimen. Actually I collected spectra both in complete hole area
and on amorphous C film. The spectrum in complete hole area showed no peak at
all, and the one collected on C film showed Cu peaks besides C peak. So the Cu
peaks must be coming from the Cu grid instead of the column. (The double-tilt
holder that I used was Be one.)

I did subtract the "in-hole" spectra from all other spectra. The Cu peaks were
just a little weaker. I think mostly the heavy metals in my specimen accounted
for that.

What I am thinking is, if the electrons scattering from the specimen could hit
the Cu grid or whatever other grid, then they could hit other areas of the
specimen too. Then how can one be sure the spectrum (except the Cu peaks) was
really just the information of the beam-shooting area?

Sincerely,

Ling

On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:41:02, "CorneliuSarbu" wrote:

}
} Dear colleague,
}
} yesterday I sent you a message about the "in-hole" X-EDS spectrum
} acquisition. The bibliographical citation was not complete. Here is
} the complete one:
} Brent Fultz and James Howe, "Transmission Electron Microscopy
} and Diffractometry of Materials", Springer-Verlag, Berlin and Heidelberg,
} 2001. See page 209.
}
} Corneliu Sarbu, PhD
}
}
} -----Original Message-----
} From: LING PAN {lup2-at-psu.edu}
} To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
} Date: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:09 AM
} Subject: Cu peaks in STEM/EDS
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} } When I do STEM/EDS analyses on my TEM specimens on 200- or 300-mesh Cu
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} } always find Cu peaks present no matter where the beam shoots. Sometimes
} they
} } can even be more intense than the peaks from my specimen when I am working
} on
} } PtRu nanoparticles (~ 2 nm in size). Can anyone tell me the cause of the Cu
} } signals? If the EDS spectrum shows signals from Cu grids which is more than
} a
} } micron away from the beam, how can one be sure about the probe size or
} spatial
} } resolution then?
} }
} } Thanks in advance for any comments.
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From daemon Tue Jun 3 12:55:15 2003



From: Barbara Foster :      bfoster-at-mme1.com
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:37:48 -0700
Subject: Re: focusing coolpix+microscope - Part 2

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Hi, again,

One of the listers wrote me off line, asking why the lowest mag rather than highest mag objective. I'm sure that many of you have the same question.

Here's the story:
This is one of those weird idiosyncracies of microscopy imaging.

There are two planes of focus which are of interest:
a. The depth in the specimen (properly called "depth of field") and
b. The depth in the image - at the camera or detector (properly called "depth of focus")

The depth of field is directly related to the numerical aperture of the system. However, the depth of focus is directly related to the magnification(squared). Sooo...
For a low power (ex: 5x scanner lens): 5(squared) = an image which is 25 "units" deep at the camera plane
For a higher magnification (ex: 100x): 100(squared) = an image which is 10,000 "units" deep at the camera plane.
Since "25 unit" slice is more shallow, it defines the depth of focus at the camera more precisely. That plane will always fall within the "10,000 unit" slice, so once the camera is "parfocal" (in focus for a plane matching the plane for the eyepieces) for your lowest magnification objective, it will parfocal for all other objectives.

Hope this is helpful.

Best regards,
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. And don't forget to focus the camera using the lowest power mag on your nosepiece. Then it will automatically be in focus for all other objectives.

Best regards,
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From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 03 13:13:39 -0500
Subject: Liquid nitrogen dewars

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Helen M Turner wrote:
=======================================================
I'm looking for a couple of 10 litre dewars for liquid nitrogen and
wondered if anyone could recommend a supplier?
Alternatively if anyone in New Zealand has any second hand ones for sale
I'd be interested.
=======================================================
An excellent 10 liter dewar is shown on URL
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/instruments/liquid-nitrogen-dewars.shtml
of the SPI Supplies website. It can be purchased directly from SPI Supplies
in the USA or via our distributor in New Zealand:

Cornelia Riethmann
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Michael,

I would assume that you are correct, the issue is the length of your
trinocular
adapter.

Take a look at our webpage which lists solutions for adapting to the
cameras to
all the major microscope manufacturers as well as the 'off-brands' as well
via a
couple of mounting options:
http://www.mvia.com/Coolpix/clpxadpt.htm

Our solutions are probably less expensive than other options you have looked
at. Please feel free to contact me with your microscope model if you would
like
to go over the various options.

Thanks!
Jim Haley

******************************
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Applications Engineer
MVIA, Inc.
125 Sherwood Drive
Monaca, PA 15061
voice: (724) 728-7493
fax: (412) 291-1709
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} head. The adaptation is not specific to the microscope, and we are having a
} problem with focus. That is, we can elevate the stage for vision's focus,
} or we can elevate the stage for the camera's focus ... but neither are
} coincident ... and we imagine this is because the adaptation is not specific
} to the microscope (the adapter being quite expensive for this particular
} brand & model). Judging from playing with the adapter, its tube-length is
} slightly too long.
}
} I suppose we were hoping the camera could be manually focussed, so that
} both could be made coincident, but for the Coolpix we cannot find a way of
} manually focussing. Or, it may be impossible to focus because the adapter's
} tube-length is too long rather than too short. Is this the correct
} assumption? What have others done?
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From: Robb Westby :      robb-at-ascendinstruments.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:50:02 -0700
Subject: Sapphire supplier

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Hello,
I am trying to find a vendor for a piece of sapphire with the below
criteria. Can anyone help in directing my search?

Optically Clear
0.002 - 0.005 thick
Single Crystal
2" (50mm) diameter round

TIA

Robb



From daemon Tue Jun 3 18:24:03 2003



From: Spehner Daniele :      daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr (by way of
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:14:23 -0500
Subject: SEM and Immunolabelling

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Hi Listers,

I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected cells that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to colloidal gold.

My questions are :
is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on grids ?
critical point drying or not ?
metallisation or carbon coating ?
All answers will be helpfull,
thanks in advance
danile



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10 rue Spielmann - 67065 STRASBOURG

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e-mail : daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr

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From daemon Tue Jun 3 20:54:59 2003



From: George Langford, Sc.D. :      amenex-at-amenex.com
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:50:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Using a Kodak MDS 100 digital camera on a light microscope

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Hello Microscopists !

Here's an update on the Kodak MDS 100 digital camera ...

Works pretty well on the Olympus SZH stereomicroscope.
I had no focusing problems 'cuz I also got the correct
Olympus C-mount camera adapter, the TVZ-M. It's got
corrections for image distance (0.55 to 1.1) and fine
focus. The fine focus is a boon 'cuz the SZH only has
rack-and-pinion focus.

Color I dealt with by adding a heat-absorbing glass in
front of the fiber-optic stalk(s) and with an IR cutoff
filter in front of the CCD element. Both from Edmund
Industrial Optics. Gets the red mostly out.

Resolution isn't quite what it seems to be - the camera
will record images at 1280X960, but in the back of the
instruction book the image sensor is only 640X480 pixels.
And one can see an odd waffle pattern within uniformly
colored areas sometimes. Looks like the image is being
projected onto the back side of the sheet of Masonite
hardboard, which is a product made on metal wire screens.
These effects disappear when the image is presented at a
reasonable size - say, 3 by 4 inches.

One aspect of the less-than-optimum resolution is that the
effective magnification is boosted approximately 2.5 times
by the small size of the image sensor compared to the
coverage of the eyepiece lens. That stretches the resolving
power of the stereomicroscope's objective lens.

Color corrects OK, once I read the instructions. Still,
upon going to maximum magnification with the microscope,
the image becomes very blue, probably because there's a
color shift with light level, which of course goes down
at high magnifications.

Installation is a breeze, as the camera gets its power
and input/ouput from the USB port of the PC.

The software works well; and the images can be nicely
edited with a full range of gamma, brightness, contrast,
tint, RGB, etc. One can also annotate the image in the
margins with the Kodak software. That annotation vanishes
if one later edits with other software, of course. One
"trick" to enhance performance is to let the camera work
by itself without competition from other programs like
MSWord, Netscape, and the like, which starve it of memory.
However, I can leave a large number of images open during
any one session without crashing the program. Haven't lost
one yet.

For a total expenditure of ~$500 it's a good value and runs
circles around my previous method of hand-holding a Sony 1.3
megapixel camera over the eyepiece of the stereomicroscope.
Seventy-five images in a two-hour session, for example. I can
still take Polaroids if all else fails, but that's really
tedious now that I've been to the Big City.

Best regards,
George Langford, Sc.D.
Amenex Associates, Inc.
amenex-at-amenex.com
http://www.amenex.com/


From daemon Wed Jun 4 03:04:26 2003



From: Chris Jeffree :      c.jeffree-at-ed.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:50:36 +0100
Subject: Re: SEM and Immunolabelling

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Daniele
Immunolabelling is the same as for grids.
Gold sizes from ~5nm are suitable. Double labelling works fine, but
don't overdo the size ratios. Mass increases with cube of diameter, so
25nm gold is 125 as massive as 5nm, and the supernova-like glare of
the glare particles can obscure the smaller ones. Adjacent pairs in
the table below should give sufficient size differential.
Critical point drying is required.
Coating is required either with carbon or chromium - you will need to
experiment with coating thicknesses to suit your specimens and
microscope parameters, but in general you will find optimised Cr
coatings are thinner than C, give richer ultrastructural detail and
excellent BSE signal. Noble metal coatings (Au, Au/Pd, Pt) are not
suitable.
Hope this helps
Chris

C.E. Jeffree, H.W. McL. Rixon, G. Brown, J. Aitken, and R.J. Sugrue
Distribution of the attachment (G) glycoprotein and GM1 within the
envelope of mature respiratory syncytial virus filaments revealed
using field emission scanning electron microscopy
VIROLOGY 306 (2): 254-267 FEB 15 2003

Diam vol size ratio
nm nm^3
1 1 0.008
2 4 0.064
5 65 1
10 524 8
15 1767 27
20 4189 64
25 8181 125



Hi Listers,

I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected
cells that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to
colloidal gold.

My questions are :
is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on
grids ?
critical point drying or not ?
metallisation or carbon coating ?
All answers will be helpfull,
thanks in advance
danile



--------------------------------------------

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10 rue Spielmann - 67065 STRASBOURG

tel : 03 88 21 25 25 - fax : 03 88 21 25 44

e-mail : daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr

------------------------------------



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From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 03 07:04:56 -0500
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Danile Spehner wrote:
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I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected cells
that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to colloidal gold.

My questions are :
is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on grids ?
critical point drying or not ?
metallisation or carbon coating ?
All answers will be helpfull,
thanks in advance
danile
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==
So far as I have always heard, it is done pretty much the way you would for
labelling on grids. The sample is critical point dried.

When people talk about "metallization", they generally are talking about
gold but you really can't coat with gold and expect to see with BSE the
image of the gold distribution. But when one carbon coats, which has been
the other alternative, you lose the sense of depth in the sample.

But now it has been shown that a thin layer of plasma deposited (from the
vapor) osmium metal, in an extremely thin layer, such as can be done in the
osmium plasma coaters gives you the best of all worlds: You have the needed
conductivity, you get the sense of depth, while at the same time, you are
not diminishing the signal from the surface tagged gold particles. This
kind of deposition equipment is described on URL
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and I would call particular attention to the page URL
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Following my recent cooling water leak on a TEM we have come off 'mains'
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We have just noticed that there was a typo in my previous posting for the TEM job in La Jolla (San Diego), CA

So here is the posting with the correct e-mail address.

Position Open: Electron Microscopist Research Assistance, to start June, 2003. (http://www.burnham-inst.org).


Requirements include working knowledge of high resolution TEM and a BA/BS or equivalent experience in biological or material science, or bioengineering. Responsibilities include negative stain sample preparation and electron microscopy, vitreous ice sample preparation and electron cryo-microscopy, some microscope maintenance and standard biochemical analyses.

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From: Ciaburri, Diane A :      Diane.Ciaburri-at-gd-ais.com
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Robb,

Try ISP Optics, www.ispoptics.com 800-909-4207

No personal interest, but I think they've got what you're looking for.

Diane Ciaburri

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Hello,
I am trying to find a vendor for a piece of sapphire with the below
criteria. Can anyone help in directing my search?

Optically Clear
0.002 - 0.005 thick
Single Crystal
2" (50mm) diameter round

TIA

Robb



From daemon Wed Jun 4 08:57:38 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
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Daniele,

see below

} I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected
} cells that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to
} colloidal gold.
}
} My questions are :
} is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on grids ?

Probably. The cells could also be labeled in their incubation medium
in the wells or wherever they're grown, including in suspension.
Post-label, fix with 1 or 1.25% glutaraldehyde + 1% tannic acid
(helps preserve the cell membrane), in whatever buffer is appropriate
for your cells.

} critical point drying or not ?

Yes, definitely.

} metallisation or carbon coating ?

High-resolution platinum coating, 2 to 4 nm thick. We use an ion-beam
coater. Thinner, IF your cells *and* the mounting method allow it.
Image at 5kV. Gold lights up nicely in the BSE at this accelerating
voltage. (Your BSE detector will likely control what kV you have to
use, though, but on a FEG SEM, you should have a high-resolution BSE
detector anyway.)

Phil

} All answers will be helpfull,
} thanks in advance
} danile
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From daemon Wed Jun 4 09:41:22 2003



From: Siebein, Kerry :      ksiebein-at-erc.ufl.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:31:35 -0400
Subject: SEM Cross Section preparation Al/polymer/paper composite

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We have an Aluminum sheet composite material that consists of
Aluminum
sheet/ polymer layer/ paper backing. The Aluminum sheet corroded
through the paper and polymer layers in some areas. The Al corroded
to the
point that it contains large holes. We would like to cross section
these samples for SEM keeping the paper layer intact.

We are looking for ideas on how to cross section the samples for SEM
so all three
layers can be imaged.


Kerry N. Siebein
University of Florida
Particle Engineering Research Center
P. O. Box 116135
Gainesville, FL 32611-6135

(352) 846-1194
(352) 846-1196 fax
email: ksiebein-at-erc.ufl.edu



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From: Gary Laevsky :      laevsky-at-scripps.edu
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Subject: 100x objective

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Hello All,

We're looking for a 100x objective for our Zeiss Axiovert that will also be
compatible with an Olympus scope (not that that should be an issue as our
present objectives are interchangeable, but just in case). This will
initially be used for H&E stain imaging but with later applications to follow.

E-mails are already into some reps, but does anybody have an "objective"
view of quality, price, flexibility issues with different lens. Likes,
dislikes...etc.

Thank you.

Gary







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From: Walck, Scott D. :      walck-at-ppg.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:39:27 -0400
Subject: Sapphire supplier

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I am not sure that you are going to get wafers that thin from them, but I have bought sapphire disks from Insaco in Philadelphia in the past. They also have the capability of machining ceramics. Their web site is
http://www.insaco.com/index.html



-Scott

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Hello,
I am trying to find a vendor for a piece of sapphire with the below
criteria. Can anyone help in directing my search?

Optically Clear
0.002 - 0.005 thick
Single Crystal
2" (50mm) diameter round

TIA

Robb



From daemon Wed Jun 4 12:44:12 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:33:28 -0500
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} } critical point drying or not ?
}
} Yes, definitely.

What about HMDS?

Vladimir


From daemon Wed Jun 4 14:38:51 2003



From: Zhaojie Zhang :      ZZhang-at-uwyo.edu
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:49:26 -0600
Subject: SEM and Immunolabelling

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Hi Kerry-

In our lab we routinely and effectively cryo-slice or cryo-cut
papers/films. Freeze your material, and tweezers using LiqN2 in a mini
dewar. To slice we use a variety of tools depending on what works best
with the material in question. The tools can be micro scissors or
straight blades. Be careful when using the blades, though! Be sure to
freeze whatever slicing tool you choose.

EMS makes x-sect mounts for the SEM known as thin sample holders.

Good luck!
--------------------------------
Jane Dowell
Surface Science Labs
WR Grace and Co.
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Check the paper below, in which SEM and immunogold is used to localize myosin on sperm cell surface.

Z Zhang, HQ Tian and SD Russell (1999) Localization of myosin on sperm-cell-associated membranes of tobacco. Protoplasma 208:123-128.

I'll be happy to send you a copy if you need.

Zhaojie Zhang
Microscopy Core Facility
University of Wyoming



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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 5:14 PM
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Hi Listers,

I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected cells that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to colloidal gold.

My questions are :
is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on grids ?
critical point drying or not ?
metallisation or carbon coating ?
All answers will be helpfull,
thanks in advance
danile



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10 rue Spielmann - 67065 STRASBOURG

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e-mail : daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr

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From daemon Wed Jun 4 14:58:24 2003



From: Patricia de Winter :      cdewi02-at-students.bbk.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:48:25 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: filter problem solved

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Thanks to all who replied, particularly Norm - your
suggestion worked. I located the beamsplitter, unscrewed
the head and dropped the filter in before the beamsplitter
and hey presto - the fluorescence image was visible through
both the eyepiece and the phototube. I've tried the filter
with rhodamine and I can see red fluoresecence so thanks
again - I don't need to buy a new filter!

Kind regards,

Patricia

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Subject: cryoultramicrotomy

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Dear listers,
I received a call from an investigator at Univ. of Cinn who needs help with
cryoultramicrotomy and TEM of nanotubes. He is willing to drive anywhere
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From: Walck, Scott D. :      walck-at-ppg.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:13:55 -0400
Subject: SEM Cross Section preparation Al/polymer/paper composite

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Never having done this, let me take a stab at it. This is free, so that it doesn't cost you anything.

Why don't you try to impregnate (vacuum impregnate?) the paper with epoxy and then try to polish it or cut it?

-Scott

Scott D. Walck, Ph.D.
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-----Original Message-----
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We have an Aluminum sheet composite material that consists of
Aluminum
sheet/ polymer layer/ paper backing. The Aluminum sheet corroded
through the paper and polymer layers in some areas. The Al corroded
to the
point that it contains large holes. We would like to cross section
these samples for SEM keeping the paper layer intact.

We are looking for ideas on how to cross section the samples for SEM
so all three
layers can be imaged.


Kerry N. Siebein
University of Florida
Particle Engineering Research Center
P. O. Box 116135
Gainesville, FL 32611-6135

(352) 846-1194
(352) 846-1196 fax
email: ksiebein-at-erc.ufl.edu



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From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:27:09 -0700
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What are the thickness measurements of the constituent
materials?

At first blush, a traditional Buehler polishing
cross section should do the job. These are embedded
in rigid epoxy. Very routine for microcircuit work.
It may be applicable to your situation.

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Maybe. Have not tried it. I would worry about the impact of this on
ultrastructure.
Can you tell me how/why HMDS works? Does the specimen get coated in
the stuff,
and if so is the residue of the material visible in a FEGSEM??

I have also wondered about osmium impregnation
e.g. by OTO as an alternative to metal or carbon coating for
immunogold labelled specimens. However, so far our experiences with
Osmium /Tannic Acid /Osmium in another context have resulted in highly
intrusive decoration of the specimen, so that all parts have the same,
clearly artifactual ultrastructure. This is so fine that it would
probably not be resolved by conventional SEM, but FEGSEM is less
forgiving.

Chris

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From: Steve Bagley :      SBagley-at-picr.man.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:41:45 +0100
Subject: cover slips manufacturers and tolerances

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Hi,
I was wondering which cover slips are in use for high resolution microscopy or has anyone reviewed cover slips that are commercially available?
As it is possible for a user to inadvertently introduce error into a well-corrected system just by selecting the wrong cover slip, I have been instructing people who use the microscopes to utilise the correct thickness of the cover glass (0.17 millimeters) and try and move away from plastics.

Unfortunately with high quality cover glasses having a tolerance of +/- 10 micrometers, the FWHM is detrimentally altered by more than a factor of two if a cover slip is on the extreme of this tolerance.

Are there coverslips available with a finer degree of tolerance than the standard +/- 10 ?
thanks


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From: rcmoretz-at-att.net
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:07:19 +0000
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Chris:

Never had any trouble with HMDS affecting ultrastructure for SEM (even
FEGSEM). As far as the OTOTO method goes, there was a paper about 20 years ago
that discussed the need to find a consistent source for the TCH--they are not
all created equal. Second, the authors recommended washing small amounts of
the TCH crystals (can't remember the details) several times to remove
impurities; this leaves TCH crystals that are white/semi-opaque, rather than
the grayish color as received. Third, rigorous, thorough washing between steps
is critical. I use 5x in dH2O between each and every step. This gives
excellent impregnation and conductivity (plus secondary electron signal) as
well as fine surface structure preservation in the FEGSEM. I have to look up
the details for washing the TCH--I'll get back to you on that (it's obviously
been awhile since I have done this).

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} Maybe. Have not tried it. I would worry about the impact of this on
} ultrastructure.
} Can you tell me how/why HMDS works? Does the specimen get coated in
} the stuff,
} and if so is the residue of the material visible in a FEGSEM??
}
} I have also wondered about osmium impregnation
} e.g. by OTO as an alternative to metal or carbon coating for
} immunogold labelled specimens. However, so far our experiences with
} Osmium /Tannic Acid /Osmium in another context have resulted in highly
} intrusive decoration of the specimen, so that all parts have the same,
} clearly artifactual ultrastructure. This is so fine that it would

} probably not be resolved by conventional SEM, but FEGSEM is less
} forgiving.
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From daemon Thu Jun 5 08:39:38 2003



From: Kestutis Smalinskas :      smalinskas-at-yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: SEM Cross Section preparation Al/polymer/paper composite

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Kerry, I hope the University has a decent
metallographic lab. There you will find the resources
you need. I've often prepared similar samples for
study.

If the sample is large, I would start by buttering the
porous area with a prepared mixture of two-part epoxy.
This epoxy is available from any metallographic
supply house (Struers, Buehler, Leco, Lapmaster,
MetLab, Mager), has excellent wetting properties, low
viscosity for sample impregnation, and should be
allowed to cure overnight. This epoxy will "fix" the
porous and loose material in place for subsequent
sectioning.

After the buttered area is hard, section slightly to
the side of the area of interest. Rough cut the rest
of the sample to fit in a metallographic mount. Mount
the area - again using epoxy. After the mount has
cured, rough polish the area of interest to remove
cutting damage.

At this point, the sample should be "frozen" in place
with a bit of porosity at the cut surface. Again, put
some epoxy on the cut and rough polished surface. Use
vacuum techniques to draw air out of the porosity and
drive epoxy into the sample. After curing, prepare
the sample metallographically for an optically flat
surface. After sputter coating to make the sample
conductive, it is ready for viewing in the SEM.

It takes a couple of days to prepare the sample, but
this is the routine I use for samples of this type.
If imaging is all you need and don't need EDS
information, you may forego sputter coating and SEM
examination and simply use a metallograph for your
study.

Stu Smalinskas
Metallurgist
SKF USA
Plymouth, Michigan
(734) 414-6862
stu.smalinskas-at-skf.com

(I have no financial interest in the metallographic
supply houses. I'm just a satisfied customer.)

--------------------------------------------------

Kerry N. Siebein wrote:

We have an Aluminum sheet composite material that
consists of Aluminum sheet/ polymer layer/ paper
backing. The Aluminum sheet corroded through the paper
and polymer layers in some areas. The Al corroded
to the point that it contains large holes. We would
like to cross section these samples for SEM keeping
the paper layer intact.

We are looking for ideas on how to cross section the
samples for SEM so all three layers can be imaged.

Kerry N. Siebein
University of Florida
Particle Engineering Research Center
P. O. Box 116135
Gainesville, FL 32611-6135

(352) 846-1194
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From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:15:22 +1200
Subject: Further camera interfacing question

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Hi

You do not say how thick the material is but I have had success with a
"cryo" method on similar materials.

The SEM is a clever tool, cut a material and it sees the cut, not the
material interfaces! The only alternatives are embedding + mechanical
sectioning + polishing or "cryo".

For cryo - cut a piece of the material into an egg timer shape being 1/2inch
wide at top and bottom but only 1/4 inch wide in the neck. Lower this into
liquid nitrogen and wait for the bubbling to subside. Remove with light
weight pliers and, holding each end with the pliers, CRACK the material by
bending it slightly. If the material does not crack do not repeat the
bending but try again with another piece of material but make the neck 1/8
inch wide.

Hope this helps?

Steve Chapman
Senior Consultant Protrain
Electron Microscopy Training and Consultancy World Wide
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} From: "Siebein, Kerry" {ksiebein-at-erc.ufl.edu}
To: "'Microscopy-at-MSA.Microscopy.Com'" {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:31 PM


Hi

I am on the point of buying a digital camera for microscope work.

I have seen a Japanese-made adapter for the Olympus Camedia
C-3040 camera in which the end away from the camera was
stepped in three different diameters, to suit a trinocular port plus
the two common eyepiece tube diameters. The adapter had an
internal lens, and was apparently made by a small non-English-
speaking Japanese company without electronic communications,
and was expensive.
It would be useful for my purposes as the same adapter/camera
can be easily and quickly put onto any one of a number of
microscopes.

Adapter manufacturers' websites that I have seen seem to
describe only adapters that suit only one microscope mounting
point ie either C-mount OR 23mm eyepiece tube OR 30mm
eyepiece tube.

Can someone either point me in the direction of someone who
makes a similarly universal adapter or explain to me why such a
device doesn't work as well as a less-flexible system does?

Also, does anyone have good grounds for a preference, for this
kind of work, for the Coolpix 4500 over the Olympus 3040 or vice-
versa? They seem pretty similar to me on specifications.

cheers

rtch

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From daemon Thu Jun 5 23:29:34 2003



From: Ellis, Sarah :      sarah.ellis-at-petermac.org (by way of
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:18:41 -0500
Subject: Hitachi H-600 TEM

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Hi all,

I sent out an email for 'help' regarding our aging 20 year-old Hitachi H-600 TEM on the 9th of April this year. We thought our HT cable had died and really could not justify spending in excess of $30,000 on a new gun/cable assembly as we were applying through a grant for a new TEM. I thought it may be beneficial to summarise the situation for Listserver members (see below). I would also like to extend a very BIG thank-you to all those who responded especially Joel McClintock, Steve Chapman,William Mushock, Terry Fitton, John Brealey, Sally Stowe, Noni Hudson and George Theodossiou. I really felt like I had a team helping me through this. Can you all now pray that my grant application is successful and we can replace the old girl sooner rather than later?

The symptoms were;

1. Unstable voltage readouts. When we set the voltage to, say, 50 Kv, it did not read 50 Kv but read 75Kv.
2. There was a 'hissing' sound when we tried to change from 75Kv to 100Kv. The hissing appeared to be coming from behind the gun.
3. Our filaments, when they broke, were showing signs of over-heating as evidenced by a round blob of tungsten on each of the broken ends. They were not being over-saturated.
4. When we opened the gun, it smelt.
5. When we disconnected the cable from the HT tank, the HT tank read-outs were OK.

Some of the people who responded to my cry for help suggested that the symptoms may indeed by caused by a dirty gun and/or poor vacuum.

What did we do? We cleaned the gun thoroughly. We did not dismantle the gun from the microscope but cleaned it in situ. We used diamond paste (wenol) sparingly on lint-free cloths to scrub off the pale toffee colored discoloration of the porcelain until it was white and shiny. We wiped any paste residue off with 10% quadralene (ammonia based) followed by water then ethanol (very dry) then acetone (very dry) . We then allowed it to pump down over the weekend. It was not a difficult procedure and one that, had I known how straight forward it would be, should have been done a lot earlier.

On Monday, we had trouble stabilising the HV at 100KV but after 3 goes, reached and held 100KV. I have taken a while to present this summary to the Listserver members as I wanted to make sure the dirty gun was the culprit. Now, 2 months down the track we remain clear of all the original symptoms. Of course there are other small problems that have sprung up associated with using a TEM that is 20 years old but they are all 'fixable'.

Again, thank-you list-server members

cheers

Sarah Ellis

Manager, Microscopy Imaging and Research Core Facility
Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre
Locked Bag #1
A'Beckett Street
East Melbourne 8006

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From daemon Fri Jun 6 04:39:39 2003



From: Spehner Daniele :      daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:24:19 +0200
Subject: RE: SEM and Immunolabelling

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Yes, you made the point and I will be curious to see the answers.
Thanks to all of you
danièle

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e-mail : daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr
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} } critical point drying or not ?
}
} Yes, definitely.

What about HMDS?

Vladimir



From daemon Fri Jun 6 08:34:53 2003



From: Warren E Straszheim :      wesaia-at-iastate.edu
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:23:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Further camera interfacing question

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Unless there is some way to adjust for tube length by a lens in the
adapter, I would think you would have trouble establishing parfocality by
using an adapter with a stepped outside to the tube. There have been
another thread or two talking about adapters that allow for that. I know we
don't have one of them.

I have posted some pictures on our ftp server to show what we had to go
through with our Olympus Stereoscope. I modified the phototube so that I
could use the same relay lens that worked just fine on our other two
Olympus scopes (reflected and transmitted. I had to remove an adapter on
the top of our tube that was used as the mechanical support for the Olympus
camera. It prevented the relay lens from sliding in as far as it needed to.
I then had to make a tube spacer to set the relay lens back off to the
right length to obtain parfocality with the eyepieces.

I would suppose that you might be better off having your shop make some
bushings for your larger phototubes to accomodate an adapter for the
smaller tube. It might take a little doing to make sure you maintain the
proper path length, but any machinist worth their pay should be able to rig
up something. (Or maybe Edmund already stocks such bushings.) I just hope
you don't run into any vignetting issues.

ftp://www.marl.iastate.edu/LabPix/Stereo_adapter/

Warren

At 02:15 PM 6/6/2003 +1200, you wrote:

} Hi
}
} I am on the point of buying a digital camera for microscope work.
}
} I have seen a Japanese-made adapter for the Olympus Camedia
} C-3040 camera in which the end away from the camera was
} stepped in three different diameters, to suit a trinocular port plus
} the two common eyepiece tube diameters. The adapter had an
} internal lens, and was apparently made by a small non-English-
} speaking Japanese company without electronic communications,
} and was expensive.
} It would be useful for my purposes as the same adapter/camera
} can be easily and quickly put onto any one of a number of
} microscopes.
}
} Adapter manufacturers' websites that I have seen seem to
} describe only adapters that suit only one microscope mounting
} point ie either C-mount OR 23mm eyepiece tube OR 30mm
} eyepiece tube.
}
} Can someone either point me in the direction of someone who
} makes a similarly universal adapter or explain to me why such a
} device doesn't work as well as a less-flexible system does?
}
} Also, does anyone have good grounds for a preference, for this
} kind of work, for the Coolpix 4500 over the Olympus 3040 or vice-
} versa? They seem pretty similar to me on specifications.
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
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} 3737599 ext 87713
} Microanalyst Fax : 64 9
} 3737435
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} r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
} The University of Auckland
} Private Bag 92019
} Auckland
} New Zealand




From daemon Fri Jun 6 08:48:53 2003



From: Miller, F. Scott :      smiller-at-umr.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:40:09 -0500
Subject: Need JEOL 845 turbo instructions

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Hello all,

I have acquired a surplus turbo pumped JEOL 845 SEM, but the documentation I have received doesn't seem to cover the turbo modification. Would anyone out there operating a turbo pumped JEOL 840 or 845 like to share their cold start instructions and operating instructions with me?

Sincerely,

Scott


F. Scott Miller, Ph.D.
Advanced Materials Characterization Lab
University of Missouri-Rolla
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Rolla, MO 65409 USA
fax: 573 341 6934
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From daemon Fri Jun 6 09:29:39 2003



From: jrobson-at-rdg.boehringer-ingelheim.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:19:52 -0400
Subject: Re: SEM and Immunolabelling

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As Philip suggested a 2 - 4nm coating of platinum will allow you to examine
the sample at 5Kv using the backscatter detector. In addition, it has been
my experience that under those conditions the lower Se- detector provides
some atomic number imaging, at least that's the case in my instrument.
While I have not tried this technique on gold labeled cells I have had
success looking for metal contaminants in organic crystal samples. The
advantages offered by using the Se- detector certainly makes it worth a try
with your equipment/samples.

John A. Robson
Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
PO Box 368
900 Ridgebury Rd
Ridgefield, CT 06877

Phone (203)798-5640
Fax (203)798-5698
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-----Original Message-----
} From: Philip Oshel [mailto:peoshel-at-wisc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:46 AM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Daniele,

see below

} I need to do some experiments using a FEG SEM. I am using infected
} cells that I am planing to immunolabel with antibodies coupled to
} colloidal gold.
}
} My questions are :
} is immunolabelling carried out in the same way as for labelling on grids ?

Probably. The cells could also be labeled in their incubation medium
in the wells or wherever they're grown, including in suspension.
Post-label, fix with 1 or 1.25% glutaraldehyde + 1% tannic acid
(helps preserve the cell membrane), in whatever buffer is appropriate
for your cells.

} critical point drying or not ?

Yes, definitely.

} metallisation or carbon coating ?

High-resolution platinum coating, 2 to 4 nm thick. We use an ion-beam
coater. Thinner, IF your cells *and* the mounting method allow it.
Image at 5kV. Gold lights up nicely in the BSE at this accelerating
voltage. (Your BSE detector will likely control what kV you have to
use, though, but on a FEG SEM, you should have a high-resolution BSE
detector anyway.)

Phil

} All answers will be helpfull,
} thanks in advance
} danile
} --------------------------------------------
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} 10 rue Spielmann - 67065 STRASBOURG
} tel : 03 88 21 25 25 - fax : 03 88 21 25 44
} e-mail : daniele.spehner-at-efs-alsace.fr
} ------------------------------------

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University of Wisconsin
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From daemon Fri Jun 6 10:34:07 2003



From: Jim Haley :      haley-at-mvia.com
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:24:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Further camera interfacing question

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Ritchie,

I suggest you take a look at our webpage for adapting the Coolpix series cameras
to a microscope:
http://www.mvia.com/Coolpix/clpxadpt.htm

1.) If you want to go through 23mm eyepieces, our optics adapter is a straight
drop in.

2.) If you want to go through 30mm eyepieces, you use the exact same optics,
and we have a sleeve to increase the diameter of the adapter to 30mm.

3.) If you want to go through a trinocular port, you use the exact same optics,
and we have several clamps to fit to various microscopes.

4.) If you want to go through an existing 1X C-mount on your microscope, you
use the exact same optics, and we have a clamp and thread adapter to convert our
optics to a C-mount fitting.

In all of these cases, we are using the exact same optics system, the only thing
we change is the clamp, sleeve, or thread fitting that will connect it to your
microscope. All parts are interchangeable and part of our universal system.

We have an optics system specific to the Coolpix series cameras (4500 included)
that will definitely work with the Coolpix 4500.

On the other hand, we also have a universal optics adapter for fitting to
digital cameras, but the Olympus 3040 is an untested model for us and I am not
sure how well it will work.

Thanks!
Jim Haley

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Ritchie Sims wrote:
}
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}
} Hi
}
} I am on the point of buying a digital camera for microscope work.
}
} I have seen a Japanese-made adapter for the Olympus Camedia
} C-3040 camera in which the end away from the camera was
} stepped in three different diameters, to suit a trinocular port plus
} the two common eyepiece tube diameters. The adapter had an
} internal lens, and was apparently made by a small non-English-
} speaking Japanese company without electronic communications,
} and was expensive.
} It would be useful for my purposes as the same adapter/camera
} can be easily and quickly put onto any one of a number of
} microscopes.
}
} Adapter manufacturers' websites that I have seen seem to
} describe only adapters that suit only one microscope mounting
} point ie either C-mount OR 23mm eyepiece tube OR 30mm
} eyepiece tube.
}
} Can someone either point me in the direction of someone who
} makes a similarly universal adapter or explain to me why such a
} device doesn't work as well as a less-flexible system does?
}
} Also, does anyone have good grounds for a preference, for this
} kind of work, for the Coolpix 4500 over the Olympus 3040 or vice-
} versa? They seem pretty similar to me on specifications.
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
} --
} Ritchie Sims Ph D Phone : 64 9
} 3737599 ext 87713
} Microanalyst Fax : 64 9
} 3737435
} Department of Geology email :
} r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
} The University of Auckland
} Private Bag 92019
} Auckland
} New Zealand

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From daemon Fri Jun 6 12:11:51 2003



From: Gary Gill :      garygill-at-dcla.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:01:29 -0500
Subject: cover slips manufacturers and tolerances

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Unless specimen is mounted in direct contact with the underside of the cover
glass, use No. 1 cover glasses.

Gary Gill

-----Original Message-----
} From: Steve Bagley [mailto:SBagley-at-picr.man.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:42 AM
To: microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Hi,
I was wondering which cover slips are in use for high resolution microscopy
or has anyone reviewed cover slips that are commercially available?
As it is possible for a user to inadvertently introduce error into a
well-corrected system just by selecting the wrong cover slip, I have been
instructing people who use the microscopes to utilise the correct thickness
of the cover glass (0.17 millimeters) and try and move away from plastics.

Unfortunately with high quality cover glasses having a tolerance of +/- 10
micrometers, the FWHM is detrimentally altered by more than a factor of two
if a cover slip is on the extreme of this tolerance.

Are there coverslips available with a finer degree of tolerance than the
standard +/- 10 ?
thanks


Steve


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Applied Imaging Facility
Paterson Institute For Cancer Research
Cancer Research UK
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From: Mahler, Monica :      MMahler-at-api.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:22:33 -0700
Subject: Applications Scientist Position

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From daemon Sat Jun 7 09:17:13 2003



From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 03 09:58:28 -0500
Subject: aluminum/polymer/paper composite cross-section

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Kerry N. Siebein wrote:
========================================================================
We have an Aluminum sheet composite material that consists of Aluminum
sheet/ polymer layer/ paper backing. The Aluminum sheet corroded
through the paper and polymer layers in some areas. The Al corroded to the
point that it contains large holes. We would like to cross section
these samples for SEM keeping the paper layer intact.

We are looking for ideas on how to cross section the samples for SEM so all
three
layers can be imaged.
========================================================================
Over the years we have had systems that sound similar, where the aluminum
layer could have been as thin as aluminum foil and as thick as an old style
aluminum lithographic printing plate. We have found that the following will
work:

1] You need to have some kind of embedding to keep the paper intact but you
won't want the paper to be swollen with the embedding resin to the extent
that it loses all of it original dimensions. We like to apply a passivation
layer of sputtered gold (if we did this now, we would use osmium metal in
the osmium coater since you can get a much thinner effective barrier layer);
the purpose of the passivation layer is to limit the amount of embedding
resin infiltration and also to act as a decoration layer to more easily
define the paper/embedding resin interface.

2] We have always found that our own (or that offered by at least some of
our competitors) version of Epon 812 (ours is called SPI-Pon 812) works
better than any of the other alternatives. It also gives reasonably good
adhesion with the opposite aluminum layer.

3] The next step is to diamond knife thin section the block as if you were
going to be doing TEM as well. We have found that when SEM views are really
what are needed, we know that the best SEM "faced-off-piece" will be
obtained when the best possible TEM sections are being taken. So even if
TEM is not the main interest, we still evaluate the sections coming off to
make sure they are of the quality needed to result in the best possible
"faced-off-piece" for SEM.

4] At this point, and in order to give the faced-off-piece a bit more
contrast, we subject it to a very slight plasma etching treatment in our SPI
Plasma Prep II plasma etcher. Typically 10-20 seconds might be all that is
needed but that is enough to etch down so that the aluminum layer "stands
up" like a little micro wall. The etched structure of the polymer vs. paper
is quite distinctively different. Inorganic additives are also prominently
seen, often times like little "mesas" in Arizona.

5] The diamond knife ultramicrotomy is done using an SPI Supplies Materials
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polymer layers will impart striations to the knife edge with the first pass
of the knife over the sample. We find that knifes with 45° angle are
optimum and that if 55° angle knives are used, there are significant
compression effects in the sections and the face-off-piece quality suffers
as well.


Using this approach, one can indeed get a good view of the aluminum foil
layer but it is not as good of a view if you are looking for incipient signs
of aluminum corrosion (for that, the TEM is much better). The SEM view is
good in terms of looking at the degree of penetration of the polymer into
the paper structure or just looking at the uniformity of layer thickness of
all three of the layers (because typically by SEM one is looking at a longer
length of cross-section.

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I've been exchanging emails with a friend, and we've both
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coats conductive, those things, at the physical level. We both know
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basically what they're doing, how they work, but ... what's *really*
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One or more articles for MT? I don't know who to suggest, but
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write them. And aren't evaporated C coats mostly bucky balls and nanotubes?
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From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
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John, Daniele, et al.,

The secondary electron detector does show the gold nicely, also. The
gold particles don't light up with the SE like they do with the BSE,
but they do stand out from the background of biological samples. I
don't think this is atomic number imaging, though, as much as it is
just that the gold particles are very good sources of secondary
electrons, and much denser than the rest of the sample.
If the instrument allows it, the best way to go is simultaneous
acquisition of SE and BSE images.

Phil

} As Philip suggested a 2 - 4nm coating of platinum will allow you to examine
} the sample at 5Kv using the backscatter detector. In addition, it has been
} my experience that under those conditions the lower Se- detector provides
} some atomic number imaging, at least that's the case in my instrument.
} While I have not tried this technique on gold labeled cells I have had
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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (bappooh-at-myexcel.com) from http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Saturday, June 7, 2003 at 21:15:39
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} } } } immunolabelling for EM. Is there a recommended method to handle the
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From daemon Mon Jun 9 10:14:36 2003



From: FRIEDA CHRISTIE :      F.Christie-at-rbge.org.uk
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:03:06 +0100
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Edinburgh City Council are proposing to install a tramline network
and I understand that this could have a severe impact upon the
operation of our FEG SEM. The route for this network is still out to
consultation but I'd be grateful of any other users' experience
regarding proximity, magnetic fields, vibration etc so that I'm fully
informed should it become an issue.

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From daemon Mon Jun 9 14:02:00 2003



From: zaluzec-at-aaem.amc.anl.gov
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Frieda

I would suggest you touch base with Dougal Mcculloch
{dougal.mcculloch-at-rmit.edu.au} at
RMIT in Melbourne.

He had exactly this problem and as I recall he installed field
canceling coils in
one FEGTEM room which was closest to the TRAM line. As I vaguely
remember in a second
room the coils were not needed as the field was sufficiently low as not
to affect the instrument.

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From: jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Krupp)
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Hi:

Someone has asked me to explain the way a sputtered coating of metal bonds
to a surface.

I am a biologist, so the details are a little sketchy for me. In general
terms, what is the mechanism for the bonding, and could it ever be
considered 'covalent' bonding?

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From daemon Mon Jun 9 21:24:20 2003



From: Damian Neuberger :      neuberger1234-at-attbi.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:13:03 -0500
Subject: Particles in Blood-Summary

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At the request of one of the list members, herewith is a summary via cut
and paste of all the replies I got about this subject.

try ultra darkfield first - I think Olympus makes an ultra darkfield
condenser . Do you expect there to be some slight density differences?
Maybe can you centrifuge them out in a sucrose gradient?

At ~2000g, all the cells will sediment. What about the particles? If the
particles are less dense than hemoglobin, then layer a slightly less dense
than particles but more dense than hemoglobin, hemolyze blood with distilled
water, and spin. Your particles should 'fall' into 'dense' layer at bottom.
On the other hand, your particles might be more buoyant than the cells, in
which case you win that way. In the absence of answers to my questions, you
are left with a manageable experiment anyway, especially if the particles
start out in a jar on the shelf. If they are manufactured in the body,
i.e., crystals, then you must do it the hard way. An Airfuge (Beckman) will
sediment hemoglobin, but not certain mycoplasma-like organisms, and it will
work with really small volumes. Even if the particles sediment faster than
the hemoglobin, the hemoglobin isn't birefringent. With 1ml to start, you
have a lot of flexibility.

Once you can use sedimentation, you can concentrate the stuff. In the end,
by my estimate, the best bulk dehydrant of stuff in a dialysis bag is PEG
(polyethylene glycol).

A hypotonic solution (hypotonic as compared to plasms, water
or very dilute buffer) will cause the red cells (and the WBCs too I
suppose) to swell and burst.
Knowing the composition of the 'particles' you are looking for might
help.

Interesting problem. SEM would indeed show your particles, but there
are lots of things in the given size range, and it won't tell you
which ones are birefringent (or even necessarily which ones are
yours). Polarized light microscopy will, so that would be a good way
to go. An old geological light microscope will do this. There might
even be one of these around with a black light, so you could check
for fluorescence. If your budget allows, McCrone Research in Chicago
can do this -- they're big on polarized light microscopy.
Then again ... thinking ... get a couple of 50 - 55 mm diameter
polarization filters for a 35mm camera. Linear filters, not circular.
Put one above the slide with your sample and the other below, and
cross them. This would show birefringence. (Polarized sunglasses
lenses would do this, too.)
But I wonder ... what else in blood is birefringent?
I think you're right about centrifugation, but why not filter first
and eliminate everything larger than 3 microns, instead of lysing
cells and all that. Then get tricky.
What is the composition of the particles? Could they stand up to
bleach, NaOH, enzyme detergents? If yes, then after filtering why not
put the filtrate into something like one of these to digest the
remaining cells and gunk, then spin down and wash the particles.
Mind, if these are fluorescent, then I'd just throw the filtrate
under a fluorescent microscope. Mind, I don't know if there is much
in blood that is autofluorescent.
Baxter doesn't have an ordinary fluorescent 'scope? ... our confocal
uses a Nipkow disc and Hg lamps, so we can do UV easily. And we have
DIC on it (meaning we have the polarizers, the Wollensten filters
just need to be taken out of the light path). 8-)

This may be simplistic, but could you just dilute the blood with a very
hypotonic solution - dilute saline for example - so the blood cells burst,
and presumably things like macrophages would burst too. Then you could
spin down the particles, I guess 100 nm particles would need a fairly high
g spin, to concentrate them a bit. On a microscope with strain-free
objectives, etc for polarised light you will be able to detect birefringent
particles of this size and up.
cheers,

Rupture the blood cells with osmotic pressure by adding distilled water and
then centrifuging or filtering the results to get the partials. I doubt
your can see and reliably be able to say what it is less than 500 nm with a
light microscope.

I am not sure what sub wavelength birefringent partials do in polarized
light but I wouldn't count on them acting like partials } 2 wavelengths in
size. Unless you have some pretty good prior research you need see what
happens with know bifringent specimens over these size rangers. Preferable
the same compounds as you find in blood.

I would talk to your local hospital laboratory's hematology department. Thy
will have an instrument for doing automated blood counts. This instrument
requires a solution that lyses the red cells. They would very likely be
willing to sell or maybe even give you a small amount of it, or you can get
a hold of Beckman Coulter, their product is called Coulter Lyse. They also
have a whole blood lysing kit in their flow cytometry e-catalog. The URL is
http://www.beckman.com/products/instrument/flowcytometry/ecatalog/ProductDet
ail.asp?partnumber=6602764. After you lyse the cells you could try
filtering the blood through a 5um filter and dialyze.

Just regular, old fashioned polarized light would seem to be the most direct
solution. Even if the particles are small, they should respond as bright
against the dark background of crossed polars. Based on the size, I would
suggest higher mags (60x or even 100x). I would also make sure that you do
not use plan apos but use objectives especially suited for polarized light
analysis. To test if the system itself might cause a problem, put a sample
in place, establish Koehler illumination, then cross the polars to get the
blackest background possible. Remove the sample and see if the background
stays velvety black. If you do not get velvety black at all steps, the
optics are exhibiting strain and will interfer with your imaging. You may
also want to inquire about the lab-level microscopes that are built
specifically for polarized light analysis. Leica's have been well known for
decades and Nikon came out with a new series about 3 years ago.

Re: the size of your particles
The good thing about "bright against dark background" types of imaging is
that it is not resolution limited: you will be able to detect the particles,
even at 100nm. You may not be able to size them at that level, or to get
good edge or shape information, but you should be able to detect that they
are. Of course, the higher the NA on the objective (and condenser), the
better the imaging in general. Oil immersion may not be a bad idea. I had
my hands on a 40x/1.3NA two weeks ago which was incredible!

Re: sample prep.
You may want to dilute the blood with an isotonic solution, just to avoid
overcrowding from red blood cells, but unless the red blood cells are just
too thick, I don't see any need to sonicate or do anything else as drastic
as you have described.

There you have it. Thanks again for all the suggestions.

Damian Neuberger





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From: Pmtl :      mtl-at-njcc.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:36:46 -0400
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Covalent bonding refers to actual chemical bonding or sharing of electrons between
the substrate and the coating (e.g. epoxy). A coating of metal on a non-metal
surface would stick because of adhesive forces. The strength of this bonding by
adhesive forces is depending on surface roughness, percent of the surface in
direct contact with the coating, and the relative surface energy of the surface
substrate & coating (see contact angle measurements).

The physicists in our group can explain the details of adhesive forces in terms of
quantum mechanics.

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From daemon Tue Jun 10 08:02:12 2003



From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:23:59 -0230
Subject: RE: Further camera interfacing question

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Ritchie writes ...

} ...
}
} Adapter manufacturers' websites that I have seen seem to
} describe only adapters that suit only one microscope mounting
} point ie either C-mount OR 23mm eyepiece tube OR 30mm
} eyepiece tube.
}
} Can someone either point me in the direction of someone who
} makes a similarly universal adapter or explain to me why such a
} device doesn't work as well as a less-flexible system does?
}
} ...

Along these same lines, and with regard to my wanting to purchase
something similar, how does a fixed adapter accommodate the the difference
in stage 'Z' position, while one person will focus on the sample (specific
for an interocular binoc setting, e.g., 62mm) and for another person's
optical focus (e.g., interocular binoc setting, e.g., 70mm). It would seem,
given trinocular head, for making camera focus coincident with optical
focus, each user would first, personalize the the binocular, ... and second,
fine tune the adapter with camera focus at infinity(???)

cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
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From daemon Tue Jun 10 09:34:51 2003



From: Dee Breger :      micro-at-ldeo.columbia.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sem facility funding

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Dear listers,

It seems to be a truism that subsidized academic SEM labs and microscopy
core facilities flourish while unsubsidized labs generally languish and/or
die.

Can those of you happily ensconsed in the subsidized facilities please let
me know where your funding for staff salary and service contracts comes
from? For my lab, at the moment, it's all got to come out of the user
fees, helped somewhat by a small institutional supplement per billing hour.


Many thanks,
Dee



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Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
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Palisades, NY 10964 USA
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From daemon Tue Jun 10 09:51:02 2003



From: Lois Anderson :      landers-at-jhmi.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:42:43 -0400
Subject: EM Technician desired

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Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore Maryland has an opening for an Electron Microscopy Technician. If you are interested please contact me utilizing the indicated information.

Lois Anderson
Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Pathology
Laboratory Manager
Electron Microscopy/Immunofluorescence
600 N. Wolfe Street/Pathology 709 A
Baltimore, MD 21287
(410) 955-2861/fax (410) 614-7110
landers-at-jhmi.edu





From daemon Tue Jun 10 10:40:24 2003



From: Nan Yao :      nyao-at-princeton.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:29:53 -0400
Subject: Leo 982 FEG-SEM

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We have a LEO 982 FEG-SEM that is available for purchase at a reasonable
price. Please contact me off line if you are interested.

Nan Yao
Director of Imaging and Analysis Center
Princeton University

Tel: (609) 258-6394
nyao-at-princeton.edu
www.princeton.edu/~iac






From daemon Tue Jun 10 13:06:11 2003



From: Gang \(Greg\) Ning :      gxn7-at-psu.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:55:50 -0400
Subject: look for an independent service contractor for microtomes

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To whom it may concern:

I am looking for an independent service contractor for microtomes. I
have Leica UCT (with cryo), Ultracut E, LKB III, Sorvall MT-2, and
microtomes for paraffin. It will be nice if the contractor can also take
care of knife maker and cryostat. Our current service contracts are
nearing the end.

Thanks,

Gang (Greg) Ning
Director, Electron Microscopy Facility
Huck Institute for Life Sciences
The Pennsylvania State University
1 South Frear Lab
University Park, PA 16802
Phone: 814-863-0994
Fax: 814-863-1357
Email: gxn7-at-psu.edu
http://www.lsc.psu.edu/stf/em/home.html






From daemon Tue Jun 10 16:07:41 2003



From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:59:59 -0700
Subject: sticky tabs

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Here is some data on the old Pella carbon tab,
its new replacement and the "special" EMS thin
film tab:

old style Pella 16084-1 .002"A .009"B .003"C .004"D 1KOhmsE 300OhmsF
new style Pella 16084-1 .002"A .015"B .003"C .010"D 500KOhmsE 19KOhmsF
EMS 77825-12-SP .004"A .012"B .003"C .005"D 300KOhmsE 2MOhmsF

A=sheet thickness
B=thickness of sheet + pull tab + sticky tab
C=Teflon pull tab thickness
D=sticky tab thickness (calculated)
E=resistance of tab from top to bottom sides
F=resistance of tab from left side to right side on top
(resistance readings taken under compression)

New Pella tab is stiff as a board. EMS is very
similar to old film style Pella tab. Curiously,
none of the new tabs are very conductive. Any reading
lower than Infinity must be done under compression.

It may be worth comparing the Fullam thin film
tab. Although, they are about $30 more per 200
than the EMS tabs.

gary g.



From daemon Wed Jun 11 04:47:08 2003



From: Steve Bagley :      SBagley-at-picr.man.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:33:48 +0100
Subject: time lapse under oil immersion

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Hi,

I am running fluorescence time lapse investigations using a Zeiss Axiovert200M, with an oil immersion x63 lens (with PIFOC) and full environmental chamber. The time frame for collection of planes of focus are every three minutes for a period of twelve to sixteen hours.

My problem is that over this time frame there is a reduction of oil on the objective due to evaporation, hence the images deteriorate over time. To resolve the lens is lowered, addition of more oil, and then reposition the lens hoping that you have not knocked the slide in the process.

Is there an objective heater or similar device available, where oil can be put onto the objective with a minimum of disruption via a pump?

Many thanks,


Steve


Steve Bagley
Associate Scientist
Applied Imaging Facility
Paterson Institute For Cancer Research
Cancer Research UK
Christie Hospital, Wilmslow Rd,
Manchester. M20 9BX, UK

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From daemon Wed Jun 11 08:33:25 2003



From: Leona Cohen-Gould :      lcgould-at-med.cornell.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:07:49 -0400
Subject: Re: sem facility funding

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Hi Dee,
At the present time, my salary (split 50-50 between the EM and
optical microscopy core facilities) and that of a half-time
technician are paid by the medical college, from its research
environment funding. I must generate enough income in the facility
to cover costs of supplies, service contracts and other equipment
maintenance costs, and other misc. expenses (phone, computer
networking, etc). I do not know how long this relative Shangri La
will last, but I will enjoy it while it does.
Lee
--
Leona Cohen-Gould, M.S.
Sr. Staff Associate
Director, Electron Microscopy Core Facility
Manager, Optical Microscopy Core Facility
Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College
of Cornell University
voice (212)746-6146
fax (212)746-8175


From daemon Wed Jun 11 11:05:02 2003



From: K.P.Ryan :      K.P.Ryan-at-btinternet.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:54:47 +0100
Subject: SEM - Measuring beam diameter/spot size

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Hello Listers

Can anyone tell me how to measure SEM/STEM beam diameter ("spot size") in
the SEM?

I did this twenty years ago and still have the photo records but not the
method! The method involved photographing latex spheres at e.g. x30,000.

I recall measuring edge fringes? But, the little grey cells don't want to
make the connection anymore! Would it be simply the width of any blurred
edge or fringes?

We want to get a "handle" on this in connection with x-ray microanalysis of
compartments in frozen unicells in a cryoSEM. Then I want to try some Monte
Carlo models (if applicable to biological specimens re. matrix etc) to
get some idea of the volume from which the x-rays are derived. We are
getting similar results for adjacent areas on area scans (to reduce damage?
Ha!). I'm hoping to calculate and to reduce the excited volume - looking for
strontium in pulse chase feeding experiments.

Thanks in advance for anything you can offer

Keith Ryan
Marine Biological Association
Plymouth, UK






From daemon Wed Jun 11 11:31:52 2003



From: Hendrik O. Colijn :      colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:26:14 -0400
Subject: Re: SEM - Measuring beam diameter/spot size

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Keith,

I measured the beam diameter on my Dual-Beam FIB using a TEM type sample
and a modified SEM mount. The sample is essentially a "low-background"
version of the usual SEM resolution standard.

Take a C-coated formvar TEM grid and sputter a few seconds worth of gold on
it so that you have gold islands.

SEM mount - Take a ~1/4 inch carbon rod (~3/4 inch long) and drill out the
center. Use a 1/8 inch end mill to make a little recess in the end of the
rod for the TEM grid. Attach the other end of the C-rod to an SEM stub
using silver paint. You now have a vertical C-rod with a recess for the
TEM grid. Drilling out the center of the rod makes an effective "Faraday
cup" so that you don't have bulk scattering affecting your measurements.

I imaged the sample used the SE detector at up to 800kX (in-lens mode) and
was able to look at the intensity profile across the edge of the Au
particle. The profile will give you your beam diameter. It was pretty
easy to show 1.5nm beam diameter (20% - 80% points on the profile). If I
remember correctly, I used Dave Bright's "Lispix" software to extract the
profile from the saved images.

cheers,
Henk


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From daemon Wed Jun 11 14:49:25 2003



From: Craig Klotz :      cklotz-at-mcw.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:37:50 -0500
Subject: Take our JEOL 100S

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We have a JEOL 100S TEM scope (1974) that is in working condition and free
to any taker. The scope has been under service contract since the
beginning and is currently operating in our lab. Taker must pay any and
all relocation fees and assume responsibility for the units upkeep.
Please contact me at the e-mail address below if you are
interested. Contact Terry at JEOL directly at 847-823-0306 if you want to
know about costs of moving and assembly of the scope.
Thanks!

Craig M. Klotz B.S., CT (ASCP)
Neuromuscular Pathology
cklotz-at-mcw.edu
EM/Lab Tech.
"Chance favors the prepared mind" - L. Pasteur



From daemon Wed Jun 11 15:10:12 2003



From: Warren E Straszheim :      wesaia-at-iastate.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:58:11 -0500
Subject: Re: SEM - Measuring beam diameter/spot size

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I think you will find that the spot size is not the critical dimension if
you are doing x-ray analysis on thick samples. I would concentrate on a
Monte Carlo simulation of the excitation volume given your matrix and beam
conditions.

I routinely tell people that the volume is on the order of a micron at
20kV. Of course it is larger for low-Z materials like organics, but at
least they get the idea that the volume is _much_ larger than the incident
spot size.

Warren

At 04:54 PM 6/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:

} Hello Listers
}
} Can anyone tell me how to measure SEM/STEM beam diameter ("spot size") in
} the SEM?
}
} I did this twenty years ago and still have the photo records but not the
} method! The method involved photographing latex spheres at e.g. x30,000.
}
} I recall measuring edge fringes? But, the little grey cells don't want to
} make the connection anymore! Would it be simply the width of any blurred
} edge or fringes?
}
} We want to get a "handle" on this in connection with x-ray microanalysis of
} compartments in frozen unicells in a cryoSEM. Then I want to try some Monte
} Carlo models (if applicable to biological specimens re. matrix etc) to
} get some idea of the volume from which the x-rays are derived. We are
} getting similar results for adjacent areas on area scans (to reduce damage?
} Ha!). I'm hoping to calculate and to reduce the excited volume - looking for
} strontium in pulse chase feeding experiments.
}
} Thanks in advance for anything you can offer
}
} Keith Ryan
} Marine Biological Association
} Plymouth, UK

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From daemon Wed Jun 11 20:05:39 2003



From: Peng Zhang :      pzhang-at-itsa.ucsf.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:43:19 -0700
Subject: help on Evans Blue staining RBC

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Hi there,

Does anyone have experiences using Evans Blue as a counterstain for
Red Blood Cell in a cell suspension for confocal microscopy?

I am trying to locate bacterial cell in the infected red blood cells.
Bacteria are stained with Alexa-488 similar to FITC. I tried to
counterstain RBC with Evans Blue but I can not see them. Is this
because the blood has been washed after Evans Blue staining?

I would particularly like to know the diluent, working concentration,
length of staining. In addition, is it necessary to wash the RBC
after Evans blue staining?

Are there any alternatives recommended for use as a counterstain for RBC?

Thank you very much

Peng Zhang
UCSF


From daemon Wed Jun 11 20:10:19 2003



From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:06:55 -0700
Subject: Anatech Hummer VII coater

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Hi all:

I have an Anatech Hummer VII sputter
coater that is being replaced. This unit
is not working (no HV). Pump is OK and
control electronics are OK. I suspect that
one of the drive oscillator transistors are
bad. The main feed voltage circuitry is OK.

I'm replacing this unit with a Denton Desk II
and would like to find someone who can fix and use
the Hummer. I have the Operation Manual and
full schematics. This version is the better
one with a single HV transformer rather than two.
The HV driver transistors are TIP19 (TO-220).
The pain is getting the main PC board out to
access the transistors.

The unit comes with Au/Pd, Pt and Al targets
(for plating and etching). I also can include
a spare Edwards E2M1 pump. Seals are new, glass
is perfect. This was recently acquired as a core
exchange for an earlier unit that failed.

E-mail if interested.

gary g.



From daemon Wed Jun 11 20:20:56 2003



From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:17:38 -0700
Subject: Re: SEM - Measuring beam diameter/spot size

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I can tell you how to "try" to measure it.
Warren and others have done pretty much the
same.

the method involves doing a line scan across
a perfectly sharp edge into a bottomless pit
(Faraday cup). I used a Pt aperture but found
that it is not really all that sharp. I wound
up using a #1 cover slip that was coated with
about 200A of Au/Pd. The thickness is not all
that important. The goal is to get a line that
has good SE at the coating and nothing at the
pit. Position the edge at the center of the
screen and focus on it. Then up the mag to
200K or so. Then do a line scan and capture.
You will get an output like:


-----
\
\
\
\
\
\
\
-------
|-----| 20/80%


Do a measurement of 20% down from the top and
20% up from the bottom. Based on the mag, this
20/80% slope will represent the probe passing
over the edge...or thereabouts.

Based on the SEMs I have tested, at 10A to 50A rez,
I think I have to take the maker's word for this.
Really tough to measure!!

gary g.



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From daemon Thu Jun 12 06:43:55 2003



From: Michal Opas :      m.opas-at-utoronto.ca
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:31:58 -0400
Subject: Nikon Plan 4 DL 0.1 160/- PhL

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Dear Microscopists,

Does anyone know a source (vendor, private person, researcher) for a Nikon
4.0 phase objective:
Nikon Plan 4 DL 0.1 160/- PhL

Thank you very much!
Michal


Dr. Michal Opas
Department of Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology
University of Toronto
1 King's College Circle
Medical Sciences Building, room 6326
Toronto, Ontario, M5S 1A8 Canada
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email: m.opas-at-utoronto.ca




From daemon Thu Jun 12 08:21:01 2003



From: FRIEDA CHRISTIE :      F.Christie-at-rbge.org.uk
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:07:07 +0100
Subject: Trams versus FEG

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I'd like to thank all those who passed on their thoughts regarding
the possible effects on FEG SEM due to the proximity of tram
lines. There certainly appear to be issues that may need
consideration if our City Councillors go ahead with their plans.


Frieda Christie,
Electron Microscopist,
Scientific & Technical Services,
Royal Botanic Garden,
20A Inverleith Row,
Edinburgh,
EH3 5LR

Tel: 0131 248 2817
Fax: 0131 248 2901


From daemon Thu Jun 12 10:06:11 2003



From: Bruce Ingber :      bingber-at-srrc.ars.usda.gov
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:51:25 -0500
Subject: EDX systems on ESEM's

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Our facility purchased a basic model XL30-TMP ESEM (tungsten filament) over two years ago. The Peltier cryo attachment was added last year and it appears we may (?) be adding an EDX system later this year.

Please send me your experiences with the different models of energy-dispersive X-ray systems integrated with ESEM microscopes offline. Thank you in advance!

Bruce F. Ingber, Biologist
Electron Microscopy
USDA-ARS, SRRC
1100 Robert E. Lee Blvd.
New Orleans, LA 70124
bingber-at-srrc.ars.usda.gov
504-286-4270 phone
504-286-4419 fax



From daemon Thu Jun 12 14:14:41 2003



From: jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Krupp)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:57:15 -0700
Subject: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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Dear Brainiacs:

This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.

The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the
old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey.
The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.

We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.

I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving
the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our
SEM. Think it will work?

Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such
things.

Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.

Jonathan Krupp
Microscopy & Imaging Lab
University of California
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
(831) 459-2477
jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu




From daemon Thu Jun 12 17:21:33 2003



From: Barbara Plowman :      Bplowman-at-sf.uop.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:37 -0700
Subject: Replicas for SEM

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Hi Liststers,
I have a SEM project to do that involves making replicas of teeth. The replicas I have made were made with acetate replicating tape. The guy who gave me the teeth sez it is a kind of powder that one makes into a mixture that one coats the teeth and hardens much like a latex peel. Any advice as to how to make these and which would be better for SEM?

Barbara Plowman
Univ. of the Pacific
School of Dentistry
ph: 415-929-6692
email: Bplowman-at-sf.uop.edu



From daemon Thu Jun 12 20:16:26 2003



From: Garber, Charles A. :      cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:06:04 -0500
Subject: telescope mirror for SEM/EDS

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-- [ From: Garber, Charles A. * EMC.Ver #3.1 ] --

Jonathan Krupp wrote:
======================================================
Dear Brainiacs:

This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.

The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the old
coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey. The
mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.

We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.

I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving the
tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our SEM.
Think it will work?

Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such things

From daemon Thu Jun 12 21:01:25 2003



From: bop00rav-at-sheffield.ac.uk (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:52:45 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: light microscopy of plant roots

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (bop00rav-at-sheffield.ac.uk) from http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 15:30:13
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Email: bop00rav-at-sheffield.ac.uk
Name: BOB VASEY

Organization: university of sheffield

Education: Graduate College

Location: sheffield, uk

Question: I am using LR White for light microscopy of plant roots. I want to stain with safranin then counterstain with either astra blue or fast green. I am interested in looking at cell walls/lignin etc.

I can stain with safranin ok, but trying to counterstain with Astra Blue or Fast Green does not work. Can anyone tell me why the counterstaining is not working in LR White - it is normally fine in parafin wax.

Does anyone have a protocol for staining with safranin then counterstaining with Astra Blue/Fast Green. Are there any other stains I could counterstain with.

I would be grateful for any suggestions anyone might have, as there is nobody in my lab who can help me.

Thanks.

Bob.

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From daemon Thu Jun 12 22:00:58 2003



From: Kent Susan-G10900 :      Susan.Kent-at-motorola.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:51:45 -0500
Subject: RE: Analysis of telescope mirror coating

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Dear Mr. Krupp,

Although I'm definitely no brainiac {grin} , I've worked with many telescope
mirrors in the past as an amateur telescope maker (emphasis on "amateur", by
the way). However, I've never encountered one that had the coating "get
flakey". Generally what happens is that the coating loses some of its
reflectivity (appears dull) due to microscopic pitting which results from
long term exposure to air pollution. For Newtonian, Dobsonian, or
Cassegrainian telescopes located in or near large urban areas it's not at
all uncommon for the primary mirror to need to be recoated after 10 years. A
Schmidt-Cassegrain will usually fare better due its design.

EDXS analysis of the coating will most likely yield a wide variety of
elements, so it might be difficult to identify the actual culprit (AES or
XPS techniques might be more useful). Today's aluminized mirrors typically
have multilayer coatings consisting of titanium dioxide, silicon dioxide (or
silicon monoxide), followed by magnesium fluoride as the outermost layer.
For EDXS work, you might try to remove some of the flakes by using the
adhesive side of a 3M "Sticky Note". For general EDXS work these are not
considered to leave any significant residue. If you can remove some of the
flakes this way then it should be easy to transfer them "right side up" to a
piece of carbon tape, etc. It would also be a good idea to examine the
underside of the flakes since this is where adhesion appears to be
deteriorating, if I understand you correctly. I would not be surprised at
all to detect sulfur on the flakes due to air pollution.

I'm also curious as to whether the aluminum is flaking off, too, or just the
protective coatings? Either way, this is undesirable of course, but after
10 years of use in California I'm not so sure it would be considered
particularly unusual (I'm assuming the telescope is located at or near the
University).

I hope this helps! I'd love to hear more about the telescope and your
analysis results if you'd like to write to me off-list.

Best regards,

Sue Kent
Senior Staff Engineer
Motorola, Inc.
21440 W. Lake Cook Road
Deer Park, IL 60010
847-862-0216


From daemon Fri Jun 13 03:04:39 2003



From: Chris Jeffree :      c.jeffree-at-ed.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:55:05 +0100
Subject: Fw: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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Jonathan
Plastic stripping could work. The traditional method of Juniper and
Bradley (1958) Journal of Ultrastructure Research 2, 16-27 for
stripping replicas from leaves (it works for other surfaces too)
could
be modified to suit your requirements. In this method, an
acetone-soluble resin (Bedacryl - is it still available?) was
employed
as a separation layer between acetone-insoluble formvar-supported
replica and the adhesive tape. The sequence was replica - formvar -
bedacryl - tape - strip - dissolve bedacryl in acetone - dissolve
formvar in chloroform.

To reverse the replica onto a stub you could do: bedacryl - tape -
strip - formvar support the back of the stripped replica - dissolve
bedacryl in acetone - attach formvar supported replica to stub.

However, a) the offending contaminant may be soluble b) the stripping
method will only succeed in removing material that has poor adhesion
to the glass. Your problem may be a tightly adherent contaminant film
on the surface of the glass to which the coating doesn't stick.
Stripping will leave it behind. On the other hand, if there is a
contaminant layer that sticks to the coating but not too well to the
glass your Scotch tape method puts it exactly where you want it.

Have you considered using Raman spectroscopy?

Chris

}
} Dear Brainiacs:
}
} This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large
telescope
} mirror.
}
} The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in
place. It
} will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look
at
} the
} old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting
} flakey.
} The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.
}
} We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it
} 'upside
} down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top'
of
} the
} coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or
} others
} that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.
}
} I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and
dissolving
} the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in
our
} } SEM. Think it will work?
}
} Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of
portable
} device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements
present.
} I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with
such
} things.
}
} Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.
}
} Jonathan Krupp
} Microscopy & Imaging Lab
} University of California
} Santa Cruz, CA 95064
} (831) 459-2477
} jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu
}
}
}



From daemon Fri Jun 13 07:49:44 2003



From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) :      ptomic-at-agere.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:38:07 -0400
Subject: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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Jonathan;

I would think the interface of interest with a front surface coated mirror
would be the one between the glass and the coating, particularly since it is
flaking. Therefore, if you remove it using tape, that surface will be
right- side up, as would be preferable. Since you mentioned that the
surface, which I assume is aluminum, is flaking, can it simply be picked off
with a pair of tweezers and both surfaces analyzed?

Regards,

Peter Tomic
Agere Systems
Allentown, PA

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Dear Brainiacs:

This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.

The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the
old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey.
The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.

We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.

I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving
the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our
SEM. Think it will work?

Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such
things.

Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.

Jonathan Krupp
Microscopy & Imaging Lab
University of California
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
(831) 459-2477
jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu




From daemon Fri Jun 13 09:45:54 2003



From: John Twilley :      jtwilley-at-sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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Dear Mr. Krupp,

One has to consider both external and internal sources of potential
destructive agents and you cannot exclude the glass itself. I assume
this is not a hobbyist scope and that it is valuable enough to have a
documented fabrication? Before proceeding too far you need to assemble
the information about the materials that were used and any related
experience on other scopes. You haven't indicated what the
metallization is, whether is monometallic or layered, etc. The glass
composition and whether other mirrors were made of the same lot, and how
they have performed are all important. You should consider that the
glass may be a source of either ionic contaminants or of alkali that may
move the corrosion potential of the metal significantly away from the
area of stability that would apply in their absence.

With the role of the glass in mind, you should consider that you might
need to perform "control" analyses on non-metallized portions of the
mirror. Defects related to glass breakdown may only be obvious where
the metallization makes them stand out but they may be occurring
everywhere.

Bear in mind that ionics often have a significant solublility in organic
solvents. Therefore, attempts to replicate the defects, although a wise
idea, may remove the causative agents.

Solvents themselves may also serve to introduce traces of ionics. This
is particularly true of chloroform, mentioned in Chris' scheme to
dissolve formvar, which can develop free chlorides if not properly
stored (dry and dark). For this reason, if you expect to perform
electron probe analyses on any replicas you probably should make the
effort to use fresh, electronic grade solvents rather than reagent
grades.

John Twilley
Conservation Scientist

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} This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.
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} The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
} will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the
} old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey.
} The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.
}
} We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
} down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
} coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
} that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.
}
} I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving
} the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our
} SEM. Think it will work?
}
} Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
} device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
} I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such
} things.
}
} Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.
}
} Jonathan Krupp
} Microscopy & Imaging Lab
} University of California
} Santa Cruz, CA 95064
} (831) 459-2477
} jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu


From daemon Fri Jun 13 10:17:59 2003



From: Walck, Scott D. :      walck-at-ppg.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:04:35 -0400
Subject: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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Your replicating idea and then dissolving the acetate film is probably the best bet. An XRF unit could give you some information, but the X-ray have a relatively long penetration depth and so most of the signal will come from the substrate for a thin film. You would need to measure substrate/film and subtract substrate only to get what your film is and there would be problems with statistics. Portable units are EDS type and I am not sure what the range of elements that can be analyzed with them. I thought that the range is limited, but I may be wrong.

Actually, using the Scotch(R) adhesive tape might be the best approach for analyzing the failure. The failure is probably at the interface of the substrate/film or at an interface of one of the layers. By pulling the film off with the tape, you have revealed the interface that has failed. You should then apply a surface analysis technique such as X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy or Auger electron spectroscopy to look at the chemistry of the surface. If it is peeling, see if you can get a sufficiently large piece without the tape or replicating tape.

-Scott

Scott D. Walck, Ph.D.
PPG Industries, Inc.
Glass Technology Center
P. O. Box 11472 (letters)
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Dear Brainiacs:

This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.

The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the
old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey.
The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.

We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.

I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving
the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our
SEM. Think it will work?

Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such
things.

Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.

Jonathan Krupp
Microscopy & Imaging Lab
University of California
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
(831) 459-2477
jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu




From daemon Fri Jun 13 11:22:00 2003



From: microbill-at-mohawk.net
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:09:55 -0400
Subject: Re: telescope mirror for SEM/EDS

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KeyMaster has a new handheld XRF system that goes down to Fl - see
http://www.keymastertech.com

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} This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.
}
} The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
} will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the old
} coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey. The
} mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.
}
} We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
} down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
} coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
} that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.
}
} I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving the
} tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our SEM.
} Think it will work?
}
} Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
} device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
} I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such things
}





From daemon Fri Jun 13 14:31:28 2003



From: David Elliott Ph.D. :      David.Elliott-at-yale.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:19:36 -0400
Subject: TEM bead question

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I have been using polystyrene beads (10-200 nm) to study uptake by
cells. The product from polysciences has worked well, but these beads
are almost impossible to see by TEM. Are there any suggestions as to
what I can use in this size range that are electron dense? Is there a
way to stain the polystyrene? I do not think gold is appropriate since
it is hydrophobic and may interact in ways that I do not want.

Thanx

David
____________________

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Yale University School of Medicine
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New Haven, CT 06520-8022

Tel: (203) 785-7573
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From daemon Fri Jun 13 15:01:18 2003



From: Barbara Foster :      bfoster-at-mme1.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:48:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Replicas for SEM

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Hi, Barbara

A colleague of mine did her PhD thesis on the analysis of fossil teeth and
discovered a super technique. Her name is Gina Semprebon and she is a
professor at Bay Path College in Longmeadow, MA. I've left her a voice
mail, asking for her email, so if you contact me off line early next week,
I'll try to put the two of you together.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
125 Paridon Street, Suite 102
Springfield, MA 01118
PH: 413-746-6931 FX: 413-746-9311 Web: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


Will you be at M&M in San Antonio? If so, don't forget the Tuesday night
seminar on Fluorescence Calibration. Also, join the tradition of over
10,000 microscopists: participate in our survey at any time during the
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From daemon Fri Jun 13 15:01:23 2003



From: Matyas Buzgo :      buzgo-at-systbot.unizh.ch
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:53:13 -0400
Subject: ROTATION MICROTOME, GOOD OLD STYLE

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Our group is looking for a simple, conventional manual Rotation Microtome
using metal blades, for paraplast and acrylat-embedded sections.

We are looking for an economic purchase, such as a second hand, demontration
model, stock fade-out, etc. The microtome should be in good condition,
requiring no or only minimal repairs.

If you can help us, reply to
Matyas Buzgo, buzgo-at-systbot.unizh.ch
Botany Department, University of Florida
Gainesville 32611-8526
USA




From daemon Fri Jun 13 15:14:10 2003



From: Pradyumna N Gupta :      microprady-at-lehigh.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:05:23 -0400
Subject: TEM -- nano-ferroelectric cystallites in glass

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Hi,

I have a glass- nono-crystallites composite. Nanocrystallites may be
ferroelectric in nature and I need to prove that nanocrystallites in the
glassy phase are ferroelectric.

How can i prove using TEM that these nanocrystallites(probably single domain)
are indeed ferroelectric?

Thanks
Pradyumna N Gupta
5 East Packer Avenue,
Whitaker Lab, MSE
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Bethlehem, PA 18015
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From: Pradyumna N Gupta :      png2-at-lehigh.edu
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Hi,

I have a glass- nono-crystallites composite. Nanocrystallites may be
ferroelectric in nature and I need to prove that nanocrystallites in the
glassy phase are ferroelectric.

How can i prove using TEM that these nanocrystallites(probably single domain)
are indeed ferroelectric?

Pradyumna N Gupta
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From daemon Fri Jun 13 17:23:56 2003



From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:13:34 -0700
Subject: AFM questions

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Dear Colleagues,

I am obtaining results on what influences people's purchasing decisions when they purchase scanning probe microscopes. If you have a moment, could you please fill out the following survey and return it to me via email? Your responses will remain anonymous. Thank you for your help.

Please, press reply, and on the following questions, please put the x near to the number, or bold or circle the number that most closely reflects your opinion when you purchase scanning probe microscopes and accessories. My e-mail address is
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How important to you is/are: Extremely Extremely
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From daemon Fri Jun 13 18:13:44 2003



From: Kevin Frischmann :      kfrisch-at-amnh.org
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:42:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Replicas for SEM

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We've used SEM of replicas for analysis of microwear on fossil teeth here. I was not involved in the specimen prep, but below is a reply from the researcher that was. (If you have further questions, let me know).

} Kevin,
}
} I don't know anything about the type of replicas described below. But for dental microwear analysis of fossil teeth, we use Colténe President Jet Plus (a polyvinylsiloxane material) to make tooth molds and then pour casts with epoxy. The epoxy is centrifuged to remove bubbles. The replicas look pretty precise in the SEM, even at thousands of times magnification.

------------------------------------------------
Kevin Frischmann
Microscopy & Imaging Facility
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024-5192 USA

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From daemon Fri Jun 13 18:41:05 2003



From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:36:13 -0700
Subject: RE: Surface analysis of telescope mirror

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OK...I too have been thinking about this interesting
problem.

It seems to me that giving EDS a shot is a good start.
Since the issue is more of a film or surface issue,
EDS may give way to WDS or SIMS. Anyway, a first method is
based on EDS. The problem (among others) is to reduce
the volumetric interaction of a sample. I would suggest
(naively?) that you use a SEM sample stub with a sticky
tab to pull off some of the crud from the glass. Not
elegant but potentially useful.

You can use an Aluminum stub or a Carbon stub. If you
expect to find either of these elements in the material
on the glass, volumetric interaction must be reduced.
This can be done by coating the stub with a material
that would not be thought to exist on the glass surface.
One could use Au, Au/Pd or Pt. A reasonably thick coating
would stop the beam from penetrating much into the substrate.
A Monte Carlo simulation can be used to get a good idea of
KV and film thickness relative to penetration. It is unlikely,
I would think, that Al would be found on the glass. If so,
an Al stub would work fine. Coat it with, say, Pt and then
put the sticky tab on top. Do an EDS baseline of the
stub and tab. Then, collect material from the glass.
Re-do EDS and subtract the baseline from the specimen
reading. That should allow C to be in the picture.

When you do the EDS analysis, also subtract/cancel out the noble metal(s)
such that the contaminants are the only ones left.

Very interesting problem. let us know how it turns out!

gary g.



} Dear Brainiacs:
}
}
} This is a question about doing surface analysis on a large telescope mirror.
}
}
} The coating on the mirror is deteriorating after some 10 years in place. It
} will have to be recoated. Before recoating, we would like to look at the
} old coating to see if there are any clues as to why it is getting flakey.
} The mirror is too big to just slip into the SEM.
}
}
} We can strip the coating off with 'Scotch' tape, but that leaves it 'upside
} down' for putting into an instrument like an SEM to see the 'top' of the
} coating. We suspect that there may be some elements, eg sulfur or others
} that should not be there, but we don't know how to check it out.
}
}
} I thought of stripping the film with acetate replica tape and dissolving
} the tape to mount the film right side up and then doing some EDS in our
} SEM. Think it will work?
}
}
} Alternatively, does any one have some ideas about some kind of portable
} device we could take to the mirror and get an idea of the elements present.
} I thought about a handheld XRF unit, but have no experience with such
} things.
}
}
} Thanks, now put your thinking caps on.
}
}
} Jonathan Krupp
} Microscopy & Imaging Lab
} University of California
} Santa Cruz, CA 95064
} (831) 459-2477
} jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu



From daemon Sat Jun 14 08:44:18 2003



From: zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:32:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Administrivia: AFM questions

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Micky

The use of the Microscopy Listserver to conduct surveys and/or polls is
against our rules, unless pre-approved in advance.

This survey has, in my opinion, commerical / marketing overtones and
is contrary to our policy and the stated purpose of the Listserver.

Please re-read the rules of the listserver which are on-line at:

http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html



Nestor Zaluzec
Microscopy SysOp




From daemon Sun Jun 15 16:08:05 2003



From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:47:58 -0700
Subject: further explanation for AFM survery

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Dear Collegaues,

Here are some additonal explnataion of my survey request. It is not intented for commercial purposes, and I appologise to Dr. Zaluzec for not informing him in advance. Besides being a postdoc, I am a part-time graduate student at the Washington State University, Tri-Cities campus, in the master of technology management program, see the link http://www.tricity.wsu.edu/business/mtm.html . This survey is for final project in my marketing class, and it do not have any commercial intention. Again,I do not have any product, neither I am promoting any product . This particular survey, is designed to provide 3 answers:

1. perceptual map of the current scanning probe microscopes brands (questions like compare, for example brand A with brand B), and are neutral, i.e. it cant be used to promote or degrade any mark, as I only ask similar/dissimilarity questions, to get clustering data.

2. attributes that drive consumer decision (how important it is to you)

3. correlation matrix questions, (when I buy AFM, I buy _____), which are use to correlate with the perceptual map, from the question 1.

Furthermore, I will make survey results publiclly available in a matter which is not promoting or derogating any particular product or brand. I will be glad to disclose results to you and subsequently the the list.

I am looking forward to hearing from you, and thanking you in advance for your participation,

With best regards,

Mickey


From daemon Sun Jun 15 18:42:18 2003



From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:31:58 -0700
Subject: AFM on-line survey

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Dear Collegaues,

I would kindly ask you to complete my survey quantiative survey on AFM, which is now on-line at http://www.AdvancedSurvey.com/default.asp?SurveyID=6098 . It takes about 4 minutes to complete it, and you can see current results at the end of the survey.

Thank you for your participation,

Best regards,

Miodrag "Mickey" Micic


From daemon Sun Jun 15 18:47:07 2003



From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:39:18 -0700
Subject: AFM survey on-line

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Dear Collegaues,

I would kindly ask you to complete my survey quantiative survey on AFM, which is now on-line at http://www.AdvancedSurvey.com/default.asp?SurveyID=6098 . It takes about 4 minutes to complete it, and you can see current results at the end of the survey.

Thank you very much for your participation,

Best regards,

Miodrag "Mickey" Micic





From daemon Mon Jun 16 01:25:55 2003



From: =?iso-8859-2?B?TGVzemVrIEvqcGnxc2tp?= :      kepinski-at-int.pan.wroc.pl
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:17:50 +0200
Subject: ISEM2003

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Dear Colleagues:

Please take note of the updated page of The International
School on Electron Microscopy of Powdered Nanostructured Materials
to be hold in Wroc³aw (Poland), 19-20 September 2003.
You will find there the program and the registration form.
For complete information, please look at:
http://celtam.int.pan.wroc.pl/ISEM/
Or Email: kepinski-at-int.pan.wroc.pl

Looking forward to seeing you in Wroc³aw,
Organizing Committee,

Contact:
Dr. Leszek Kepinski
Institute of Low Temperature and Structure Research,
Polish Academy of Sciences,
P.O.Box 1410,
50-950 Wroclaw, Poland
http://www.int.pan.wroc.pl/





From daemon Mon Jun 16 13:37:55 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:35:51 -0700
Subject: Male roommate(s) for MSA

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Dear List,
I will be attending MSA, and I would like to see if anyone would be
willing to share a room with me to cut down on expenses. Please reply
off-list. TIA.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Mon Jun 16 17:52:16 2003



From: Sergei V. Kalinin :      sergei2-at-ornl.gov
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:35:06 -0400
Subject: Ferroelectric nanocrystals imaging

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Dear Pradyumna
The best way to detect and image ferroelectric inclusions in
paraelectric matrix is to use a scanning probe microscopy techniques,
namely piezoresponse force microscopy. This technique is specifically
designed to distinguish piezoelectric and non-piezoelectric materials,
and hence is probably the best choice in this case. It will be
sensitive only to crystallites exposed on the surface or relatively
shallow within the glass matrix (~10 nm) and will allow imaging of both
in-plane and out-of-plane polarization components. You can find some
examples in paper
A.Y. Borisevich, S.V. Kalinin, D.A. Bonnell, and P.K. Davies,
Analysis of phase distributions in the Li2O-Nb2O5-TiO2 system by
piezoresponse imaging, J. Mater. Res. 16(2), 329-332 (2001).
The extension of PFM, piezoresponse spectroscopy normally allows
spatially resolved electromechanical hysteresis loop measurements, e.g.
within single 50 nm grain, but it might not work for the crystal in the
dielectric matrix.
Yours
Sergei

--
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Oak Ridge National Laboratory,
1 Bethel Valley Rd,
Bldg. 3025, MS6030,
Oak Ridge, TN 37831
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FAX: (865) 574-4143
URL: sergei2.kalininweb.com




From daemon Mon Jun 16 18:30:56 2003



From: Orkun Ersoy :      oersoy-at-hacettepe.edu.tr
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:16:25 +0300
Subject: SEM cameca

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Dear Pradyumna
The best way to detect and image ferroelectric inclusions in
paraelectric matrix is to use a scanning probe microscopy techniques,
namely piezoresponse force microscopy. This technique is specifically
designed to distinguish piezoelectric and non-piezoelectric materials,
and hence is probably the best choice in this case. It will be
sensitive only to crystallites exposed on the surface or relatively
shallow within the glass matrix (~10 nm) and will allow imaging of both
in-plane and out-of-plane polarization components. You can find some
examples in paper
A.Y. Borisevich, S.V. Kalinin, D.A. Bonnell, and P.K. Davies,
Analysis of phase distributions in the Li2O-Nb2O5-TiO2 system by
piezoresponse imaging, J. Mater. Res. 16(2), 329-332 (2001).
The extension of PFM, piezoresponse spectroscopy normally allows
spatially resolved electromechanical hysteresis loop measurements, e.g.
within single 50 nm grain, but it might not work for the crystal in the
dielectric matrix.
Yours
Sergei

--
Sergei V. Kalinin,
Oak Ridge National Laboratory,
1 Bethel Valley Rd,
Bldg. 3025, MS6030,
Oak Ridge, TN 37831
Phone: (865) 241-0236
FAX: (865) 574-4143
URL: sergei2.kalininweb.com



----- Original Message -----
} From: "Pradyumna N Gupta" {microprady-at-lehigh.edu}
To: {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:05 PM


Hi, we have a problem with gun alignment of Cameca su-30...At such
} mags 3000 or higher we can not get clear SEM images, we try to make
} gun alignment in wobb mode by using the diaphragms...Does anyone know
} the procedure which we have to follow(wobb, diaphragms,
} astigmatism....)? Do we need to clean the apertures? But how?
thanks...




From daemon Tue Jun 17 07:56:54 2003



From: AtcSEM :      atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:49:33 -0400
Subject: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl

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Dear listers,
Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and compare
it to ppm range?

I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink marker
diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how deep? The
customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine 100ppm? 200ppm?

Any advice is appreciated

Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com



From daemon Tue Jun 17 08:01:46 2003



From: Chaoying Ni :      cni-at-udel.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:53:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Wanted: CM120 or a similar scope

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Dear colleagues,

We plan to use some internal fund to purchase a 2nd hand CM120 scope or
the similar as soon as practical. Should you have one or know related info
on this, please let me know. Thanks much!

****************************************
Chaoying Ni
The W.M. Keck Electron Microscope Facility
Facility location: 022 Spencer Laboratory
Mailing address:
201 duPont Hall
Dept of Matls Sci & Eng
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
(302) 831-8354 (O); -2318(L); -4545(Fax)
http://eml.masc.udel.edu
*****************************************


From daemon Tue Jun 17 08:48:45 2003



From: venu-at-purdue.edu (by way of MicroscopyListServer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:38:22 -0400
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was
submitted by (venu-at-purdue.edu) from
http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Monday, June
16, 2003 at 17:45:28
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Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
Name: Venu

Organization: Purdue University

Education: Graduate College

Location: City, State, Country

Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
using light microscopy?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


From daemon Tue Jun 17 10:36:39 2003



From: James Martin :      james.s.martin-at-att.net
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:27:46 -0400
Subject: Stereomicroscope ultraviolet illuminator safety

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This e-mail concerns long-wave ultraviolet stereomicroscope illumination and
eye protection.

I recently inspected a long-wave UV ringlight stereomicroscope accessory
(StockerYale Model 18 Superlight ringlight) at a trade show. Visual results
for specimen inspection and preparation were remarkable, but the ringlight
was not fitted with a barrier filter to block long-wave UV wavelengths from
observation and did not appear sufficiently bright to tolerate a barrier
filter. What eye safety precautions, if any, would be recommended or
required to use such an illuminator?

James Martin




From daemon Tue Jun 17 10:46:37 2003



From: Xinran Liu :      xinran.liu-at-utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:48:22 -0500
Subject: Help need for coverslips removal from EM blocks

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Hi, colleagues,

We have being doing EM on neurons that were cultured on various
coverslips, recently for a specific experiment, we have to use the
poly-D-lysine coated coverslips. The problem is that it is very
difficult to remove this type of coverslips as comparing to
matrigel-coated ones at the end of polymerization, and we can not use
Thermanox for this culture. The embedding medium we used is polybed/812
and we normally use liquid nitrogen to separate cells from the
coverslips, and it works very well with matrigel-coverslips.

Any suggestions and thoughts will be highly appreciated.

Xinran

Xinran Liu, M.D., Ph.D.
Center for Basic Neuroscience
UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
Phone: 214-648-1830
Fax: 214-648-1801
E-mail: xinran.liu-at-utsouthwestern.edu






From daemon Tue Jun 17 11:02:31 2003



From: Faerber Jacques :      Jacques.Faerber-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:54:02 +0200
Subject: EDS for TEM

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Hi All

After waiting for a long time, we must now choose in hurry a new EDS
system for our TEM. Our old Kevex died ((un)fortunately ?!) and after a
few cycle monney-no monney-monney-no monney etc, we are again in a
"monney" phase, and we must spend it fast ! So fast that we have no time
to do test.

So any advises are wanted about the Noran Six, the PGT Avalon, the Oxford
INCA and the EDAX Genesis EDS systems, to fit on a 200 keV TOPCON 02B TEM,
and to be used in a material research lab, on magnetic materials,
catalysts, bio-materials, etc. We know a little bit the PGT and the
Oxford, I use personnaly the Noran Vantage, but the Six is new (only the
GUI or the electronics too ?), and we know nothing (other than the
manufacturer's doc) about the EDAX Genesis.

Any advise too about reparing/upgrading our old KEVEX detector, or buying
a new one (much more monney). The old one worked fine before it died, and
it is bellow seald, with the length and the transfer mechanism adapted to
the TEM.

Answer please on the list, direct to me or to
Jacques.Werckmann-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr

Many thanks

J. Faerber
IPCMS-GSI
(Institut de Physique et Chimie des Matériaux de Strasbourg
Groupe Surface et Interfaces)
23, rue de Loess ; BP43
67034 Strasbourg CEDEX 2
France

Tel 00 33(0)3 88 10 71 01
Fax 00 33(0)3 88 10 72 48
E-mail Jacques.Faerber-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr




From daemon Tue Jun 17 13:09:06 2003



From: Owen P. Mills :      opmills-at-mtu.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:58:33 -0400
Subject: FEI Beam Technology

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Hi,

I want order a LaB6 cathode from FEI Beam Tech and cannot get through to a
person. Their automated phone system requires that you know who you want
to talk to, no operator!! Duh!

Does anyone know a contact person there?

Owen

Owen P. Mills
Electron Optics Engineer
Materials Science & Engineering
Michigan Technological University
Rm 512 M&M Bldg.
Houghton, MI 49931
PH 906-369-1875
FAX 906-487-2934
mailto:opmills-at-mtu.edu
http://www.mm.mtu.edu/~opmills




From daemon Tue Jun 17 14:18:35 2003



From: Hong Yi :      hyi-at-emory.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:07:54 -0400
Subject: Ribosomes

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Hi, everyone:
An investigator here is looking at the changes in ribosomes with
different chemical treatments. Can anyone recommend a fixation and/or
staining procedure that will enhance the contrast of ribosomes at
ultrastructural level?
Thank you in advance and I look forward to hearing from you.

Hong Yi
Emory School of Medicine EM
Tel: (404) 727-8692 (Office), (404) 712-8491 (Lab)
Fax: (404) 727-3157



From daemon Tue Jun 17 15:00:52 2003



From: Tom Phillips :      phillipst-at-missouri.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:52:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Help need for coverslips removal from EM blocks

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It sounds like you may be already doing this but when we "pop" our cells
off ECM coated glass coverslips in liquid nitrogen, we find that it is
important to only polymerize for 6 hrs (if we go longer, they don't pop off
well)- when we first take the coverslips out of the oven they can be
slightly gooey but after they cool for 15-20 min, they are "tacky" but no
longer gooey. we cross-hatch the surface with a razor blade and slowly
immerse in liquid nitrogen. we have used this for matrigel but not in many
years.

At 10:48 AM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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573-882-4712 (office)
573-882-0123 (fax)
PhillipsT-at-missouri.edu




From daemon Tue Jun 17 17:04:35 2003



From: John Quintero :      john-at-mikromasch.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:52:11 -0700
Subject: FEI Beam Technology

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Owen,

FEI is experiencing growing pains. They are in the process of moving out
from one campus into their new facility. You can reach them at this
number: 503-640-7500. Since they are local to us, I called and confirmed
this is the number to reach them. Hope this helps!


John Quintero
MikroMasch USA http://www.spmtips.com
7086 SW Beveland St.
Portland, OR 97223 john-at-mikromasch.com
Office: 503-598-9828
Fax: 503-598-9721



From daemon Tue Jun 17 18:14:17 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:58:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Ribosomes

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Dear Yi
Ribosome (RS) is about 28 nm in diameter and wery fagile. You may not see
the structure of RS on the conventional ultrathin sections with standard
processing. You also could not see fine structure on the chemically fixed
ribosomes. The only one way known to me to investigate the fine structure
of the free ribosomes in vitro is cryo-EM with 3D-reconstruction. Please,
made search for Joachim Frank works. Ribosome is extremely sensitive and
complicated "machine": you have to perform state of the art biochemistry to
isolate them intact. Usually we are using RNAase-free strains or
thermophilic bacteria to isolate ribosomes. As far as I know, there is just
a few places in US, where people is able to isolate intact ribosomes. Of
coarse, "intact" is very subjective word. You may check Harry Noller works
for RS isolation. Best wishes, Sergey

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Phone: (310) 825-1144
FAX (departmental): (310) 206-5272
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From daemon Tue Jun 17 18:55:36 2003



From: Nancy L. Robertson :      ffnlr-at-uaf.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:16:00 -0800
Subject: TEM work contracts

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I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any complicating factors, or
5000ppm with more confidence.

cheers

rtch



} From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
To: {MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}


To all TEM facilities:

I need someone to help me with plant viruses/TEM research. I do have TEM
background but do not have an electron microscope(none in Alaska). I need to
look at purified viruses and viruses in plant tissue. I am looking for a EM
facility that either contracts research projects or allows one to use their
facility for a short segment of time. My immediate need is to have grids of
purified virus or leaf dips looked at for virus particles.

Thank you,

Nancy Robertson



Nancy L. Robertson
Research Plant Pathologist
USDA, ARS
533 E. Fireweed Ave.
Palmer Alaska 99645
907-746-9465 office
907-746-2898 lab
907-746-2677 fax
ffnlr-at-uaf.edu



From daemon Tue Jun 17 19:45:37 2003



From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:38:26 +1200
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}

I don't think you have any chance with LM, but I'll be interested to hear if there is a
way.

cheers

rtch

--
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Microanalyst Fax : 64 9 3737435
Department of Geology email : r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92019
Auckland
New Zealand



From daemon Tue Jun 17 20:32:13 2003



From: Chaoying Ni :      cni-at-udel.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: EDS for TEM

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Hi Pavel,

If you mean EDS analysis, then you can't get any lower then 2-3 %. ppm level
isn't for EDS at all.

Regards,

Vladimir Igoshev, Ph.D.
Toronto, Canada
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} From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
To: {MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:49 AM


I have several EDAX and 2 Oxford systems, and like Oxford the better.

****************************************
Chaoying Ni, PhD
The W.M. Keck Electron Microscope Facility
Facility location: 022 Spencer Laboratory
Mailing address:
201 duPont Hall
Dept of Matls Sci & Eng
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
(302) 831-8354 (O); -2318(L); -4545(Fax)
http://eml.masc.udel.edu
*****************************************

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Faerber Jacques wrote:

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} Hi All
}
} After waiting for a long time, we must now choose in hurry a new EDS
} system for our TEM. Our old Kevex died ((un)fortunately ?!) and after a
} few cycle monney-no monney-monney-no monney etc, we are again in a
} "monney" phase, and we must spend it fast ! So fast that we have no time
} to do test.
}
} So any advises are wanted about the Noran Six, the PGT Avalon, the Oxford
} INCA and the EDAX Genesis EDS systems, to fit on a 200 keV TOPCON 02B TEM,
} and to be used in a material research lab, on magnetic materials,
} catalysts, bio-materials, etc. We know a little bit the PGT and the
} Oxford, I use personnaly the Noran Vantage, but the Six is new (only the
} GUI or the electronics too ?), and we know nothing (other than the
} manufacturer's doc) about the EDAX Genesis.
}
} Any advise too about reparing/upgrading our old KEVEX detector, or buying
} a new one (much more monney). The old one worked fine before it died, and
} it is bellow seald, with the length and the transfer mechanism adapted to
} the TEM.
}
} Answer please on the list, direct to me or to
} Jacques.Werckmann-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr
}
} Many thanks
}
} J. Faerber
} IPCMS-GSI
} (Institut de Physique et Chimie des Matériaux de Strasbourg
} Groupe Surface et Interfaces)
} 23, rue de Loess ; BP43
} 67034 Strasbourg CEDEX 2
} France
}
} Tel 00 33(0)3 88 10 71 01
} Fax 00 33(0)3 88 10 72 48
} E-mail Jacques.Faerber-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr
}
}
}


From daemon Tue Jun 17 22:41:22 2003



From: Richard Olsson :      richard-at-polymer.kth.se (by way of
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:29:16 -0500
Subject: TEM - grids / films for nanoparticles

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Dear listeners,

I have a question regarding grids for TEM studies of nanoparticles (ferrites) with sizes from 40 - 100 nm. Can anyone help me with what kind of grids/films I can use to study my particles ? or if anyone knows if there is any good literature that I should take a look at?
The particles are dispersed in ethanol and then a droplet of the ethanol with particles will be put placed on the grid/film. However, if there are other better methods, I am very interested.

I would be greatful for any advice.

Yours sincerely
Richard Olsson


From daemon Wed Jun 18 01:16:52 2003



From: Coetzee, Mr S. H Physics Science :      COETZEES-at-mopipi.ub.bw
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:07:10 +0200
Subject: EDS for TEM

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Dear Faerber
The important thing is that you can afford your choice and that the interfacing is being done well. What I mean is that the detector actually look at the sample. Our EDAX on the Technai 12 is a stuffed job and both EDAX and fei are keeping quiet hoping that one miracle morning the interfacing will work. Some manufacturers loos their flexibility in upgraded software versions. (Programmers write the software and are not actual operators!) Test drive the system and have a serious look at backup, downtime and poor service is expensive. The quality of after sale service differs at different parts of the world and a survey in your areas will be more helpful in that regard. Happy hunting.

-----Original Message-----
} From: Faerber Jacques [mailto:Jacques.Faerber-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Microscopy Society of America



Hi All

After waiting for a long time, we must now choose in hurry a new EDS
system for our TEM. Our old Kevex died ((un)fortunately ?!) and after a
few cycle monney-no monney-monney-no monney etc, we are again in a
"monney" phase, and we must spend it fast ! So fast that we have no time
to do test.

So any advises are wanted about the Noran Six, the PGT Avalon, the Oxford
INCA and the EDAX Genesis EDS systems, to fit on a 200 keV TOPCON 02B TEM,
and to be used in a material research lab, on magnetic materials,
catalysts, bio-materials, etc. We know a little bit the PGT and the
Oxford, I use personnaly the Noran Vantage, but the Six is new (only the
GUI or the electronics too ?), and we know nothing (other than the
manufacturer's doc) about the EDAX Genesis.

Any advise too about reparing/upgrading our old KEVEX detector, or buying
a new one (much more monney). The old one worked fine before it died, and
it is bellow seald, with the length and the transfer mechanism adapted to
the TEM.

Answer please on the list, direct to me or to
Jacques.Werckmann-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr

Many thanks

J. Faerber
IPCMS-GSI
(Institut de Physique et Chimie des Matériaux de Strasbourg
Groupe Surface et Interfaces)
23, rue de Loess ; BP43
67034 Strasbourg CEDEX 2
France

Tel 00 33(0)3 88 10 71 01
Fax 00 33(0)3 88 10 72 48
E-mail Jacques.Faerber-at-ipcms.u-strasbg.fr





From daemon Wed Jun 18 05:48:37 2003



From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:37 -0230
Subject: RE: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl

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I am a bit lost.

If you say SEM do you mean imaging with SE or BSE , EDS or WDS?
If it is EDS I would say 0.5 atomic percent in a metal matrix at 25kV. Since it is a light element 15 kV would be sufficient to "see" all your elements in your alloy as well as Cl. The limit would be different since your interaction volume is different therefore determining the distance your EDS can see Cl (assuming you look at a cross section of the area of interest eg a fracture or a crack. Are the Cl real or from greasy hands handling the sample even the atmosphere close to the sea?
Are you using theoretical standards, pure elements or a "real" 17-4 PH alloy standard that was verified by other more accurate means eg. a probe? All these factors do influence your detection limit and accuracy. The distance detectable in a trace scan is limited by your interaction volume thus density and kV combination.
Remember that Cl is often driven away by the beam and the analysis should preferably not be carried out in spot mode and on a fresh area defeating the purpose of using a line or spot trace.

As You can see, this is not a simple question with a simple answer.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION of an typical 17-4 PH alloy

CARBON. 0.07% MAX.
CHROMIUM. 15.O - 17.5%.
MANGANESE. 1.00%
MAX. NICKEL. 3.00- 5.00%.
PHOSPHORUS. 0.04% MAX.
COPPER. 3.00- 5.00%.
SULPHUR. 0.03% MAX.

-----Original Message-----
} From: Ritchie Sims [mailto:r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:47 AM
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I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any complicating factors, or
5000ppm with more confidence.

cheers

rtch



} From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
To: {MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}


I appreciate all the answers I have received.

I have looked on the cross section of a sample and ran EDS and EDS line
scan, but could not see anything.
I did suggest the SIMS since they are looking to see how deep did the Cl
diffused.
Now I am trying to setup Cl standard for WDS and check the cross section,
but I do not think that I would be successful.

Does any one knows if defused chlorine would cause any problems with 17-4PH,
especially if the customer removes 3 mils from the surface that the parts
were exposed to Cl (?) containing ink marker?


Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com



----- Original Message -----
} From: "Bill Miller" {microbill-at-mohawk.net}
To: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:23 AM


Ritchie writes ...

} I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any
} complicating factors, or 5000ppm with more confidence.

regarding ...

} } Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and
} } compare it to ppm range?
} }
} } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink
} } marker diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how
} } deep? The customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine
} } 100ppm? 200ppm?

I would think 1000ppm is a good approximation, assuming we are talking
about SEM/EDX. However, I'd also comment ... a detection limit is difficult
to evaluate for EDX, and indeed many EDX softwares do not even provide for
it. The EDX background is relatively straight-forward with modern
softwares, but the error associated with it is not ... and may also depend
on parameters used for background modelling ... e.g., the absorption in the
low energy end, any parameter used for the exponential high energy end,
whether parameters are fixed or automatic (and an iterative function of
composition), or if ROIs are used.

Not that EDX sensitivities are impossible, but rather impossible to
address if a lot more is not known. It sounds like this "customer" wants
not only quantitative wt%, but also wants the error quantified as well (my
definition of "quantitative analysis"). This SEM operator, Mr. Pavel
Lozovyy, should consult specifically with his EDX & software support.

my ca$0.02 & cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
www.micro-investigations.com




From daemon Wed Jun 18 07:38:24 2003



From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) :      ptomic-at-agere.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:14:37 -0400
Subject: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl

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Thank you for the reply.

We are only interested to see if there is Cl diffusion or not and how deep
(if possible). We do not need to quantify it.


Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com
----- Original Message -----
} From: "michael shaffer" {michael-at-shaffer.net}
To: "Ritchie Sims" {r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz} ; "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net} ;
{MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:20 AM


Pavel;

I agree with Ricth Sims about the lower limit of detection. However, there are some caveats you should be aware of such as excitation volume/interaction volume and the matrix of elements the Cl is in. The software program "Electron Flight Simulator" by Small World Systems, Inc. can give you an approximation of just how deep the interaction volume is for a given accelerating voltage. Also, you should know if any of the other elements in the matrix will absorb and of the Cl photon emissions [absorption edges].

If you send me the matrix off-line I'd be happy run the simulation for you.

If you are after a depth profile, it would be best to user AES [Auger Spectroscopy] or SIMS [Scanning Ion Mass Spectroscopy] SIMS would have the best sensitivity.

Peter Tomic
Agere Systems

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} From: AtcSEM [mailto:atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:50 AM
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Dear listers,
Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and compare
it to ppm range?

I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink marker
diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how deep? The
customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine 100ppm? 200ppm?

Any advice is appreciated

Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com



From daemon Wed Jun 18 08:38:18 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:29:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

} Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
} Name: Venu
}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: City, State, Country
}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Supervisor, BBPIC microscopy facility
Department of Animal Sciences
University of Wisconsin
1675 Observatory Drive
Madison, WI 53706 - 1284
voice: (608) 263-4162
fax: (608) 262-5157 (dept. fax)


From daemon Wed Jun 18 08:53:00 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:42:29 -0500
Subject: Re: FEI Beam Technology

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Owen,

Joe Race was my last contact at FEI Beam Tech. Very helpful

{HTTP://WWW.FEIBEAMTECH.COM} HTTP://WWW.FEIBEAMTECH.COM
JRACE-at-FEICO.COM
PHONE-503.640.7695
FAX-503.640.7509

You might also try "Lyman, Roger" {RLyman-at-FEICO.com}
I haven't tried to contact anyone for some months, or anyone at all
except Joe Race since the last round of buyouts (by Veeco [or whoever
it was], if that's still the last round of buyouts), but I assume
they're still there.

Phil

} Hi,
}
} I want order a LaB6 cathode from FEI Beam Tech and cannot get
} through to a person. Their automated phone system requires that you
} know who you want to talk to, no operator!! Duh!
}
} Does anyone know a contact person there?
}
} Owen
}
} Owen P. Mills
} Electron Optics Engineer
} Materials Science & Engineering
} Michigan Technological University
} Rm 512 M&M Bldg.
} Houghton, MI 49931
} PH 906-369-1875
} FAX 906-487-2934
} mailto:opmills-at-mtu.edu
} http://www.mm.mtu.edu/~opmills

--
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Supervisor, BBPIC microscopy facility
Department of Animal Sciences
University of Wisconsin
1675 Observatory Drive
Madison, WI 53706 - 1284
voice: (608) 263-4162
fax: (608) 262-5157 (dept. fax)


From daemon Wed Jun 18 09:07:22 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:59:11 -0500
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}
} I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any
} complicating factors, or
} 5000ppm with more confidence.
}
} cheers
}
} rtch

I agree with this estimate, but nevertheless it is worth a try
to examine the specimens with EDS. I suspect that a customer
has a pitting corrosion of a stainless steel (Cl is a usual
cause of a pitting). In that case Cl in the pits could (but
not must) be detectable.

Vladimir



}
}
} } From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
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} Subject: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl
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} } Dear listers,
} } Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and
} } compare it to ppm range?
} }
} } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink
} } marker diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how
} } deep? The customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine
} } 100ppm? 200ppm?
} }
} } Any advice is appreciated
} }
} } Pavel Lozovyy
} } ATC SEM Lab
} } Phone: 216-692-6637
} } E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
} } web: www.atclabs.com
} }
} }
}
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} The University of Auckland
} Private Bag 92019
} Auckland
} New Zealand



Vladimir M. Dusevich, Ph.D.
Electron Microscope Lab Manager
3127 School of Dentistry
650 E. 25th Street
Kansas City, MO 64108-2784

Phone: (816) 235-2072
Fax: (816) 235-5524
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 09:37:13 2003



From: Dee Breger :      micro-at-ldeo.columbia.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sem facility funding answers

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Many thanks to all who responded to my query about subsidized SEM labs. As
we all know, this is a chronic problem. Here's a rundown of the answers,
edited for brevity and anonymity:

1. We get two full time staff positions, a faculty director and $10,000
per year from the Dean. The rest of our budget comes from user fees.

2. My salary (split 50-50 between the EM and optical microscopy core
facilities) and that of a half-time technician are paid by the X college
from its research
environment funding. I must generate enough income in the facility to
cover costs of supplies, service contracts and other equipment maintenance
costs, and other misc. expenses (phone, computer networking, etc).

3. My salary is covered by the department. Our user fees pay for the
service contract
on our TEM and SEM. The user fee also covers incidental parts, gas, and
LN2. Our greatest subsidy comes from outside users. They use our SEM more
than 50% of the time.

4. In our case the director and one part time staff salary come from X
college . Our computer specialist's 15% salary comes from the lab revenues
. Our other part time staff's 50% salary comes from revenues and the other
half comes from X college.
The service contract for both SEM and TEM are fully paid by a pool of money
coming from X, Y, and Z Colleges. We do not have service contracts for
ancillary equipment.

5. I used to have my salary and the service contract funded by departmental
contributions, in exchange for free scope time and technical assistance.
There was some talk of subsidizing the facility solely through user fees,
but we simply wouldn't survive that way, and many potential users couldn't
afford the fees we would need to charge to keep going. For the upcoming
year, I'll have to recover 1/3 of salary and
contract through user fees, but I think that is do-able, and we will be
able to keep user fees fairly low. The rest will come from the X Dept.

6. All the money - scope service contracts, my salary etc.- comes from (the
lab's founder's) grant.

7. I would not survive here at my institution were it not for the
commitment of the college. I now have a bare bones operation but I do not
think I could ever recover all the costs to make these unsubsidized
facilities.

8. Until this year state subsidies covered our salaries, now that this has
been cut the University expects us to generate the money from recharge
rates (user fees). As you know this doesn't cover the cost of running a
lab. Could you please share any information you receive from 'those that
are happily ensconced in subsidized
facilities'! It would be wonderful to figure out how to keep our
facilities alive.


***************************************************************
Please do not publicly post any of my correspondence without permission

Dee Breger
Mgr. SEM/EDX Facility
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
61 Route 9W
Palisades, NY 10964 USA
T: 845/365-8640
F: 845/365-8155

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/micro
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 09:46:57 2003



From: Moninger, Thomas :      moningert-at-mail.medicine.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:39:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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Venu, Ritchie
Any fluorescence microscope equipped with a epi-polarization cube (Chroma
#33001 or a 50/50 beam splitter and two polarizers from Omega) should work
quite well.
Tom

-----Original Message-----
} From: Ritchie Sims [mailto:r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:38 PM
To: venu-at-purdue.edu; MicroscopyListserver


}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}

I don't think you have any chance with LM, but I'll be interested to hear if
there is a
way.

cheers

rtch

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New Zealand



From daemon Wed Jun 18 10:41:00 2003



From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:30:57 -0700
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Phil and Venu,

I dont see hwo the differential interface contrast can work beyond diffraction limit ?

I will say only TEM or AFM can be used to succesfully image this small particle.

Just to detect them (like in the case of single molecular spectroscopy/imaging) a confocal imaging may work well, but you do not image them, just you see brighter spot, on the size of the half of the wavelenght.

Best regards,

Mickey

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} From: Philip Oshel [mailto:peoshel-at-wisc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:30 AM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

} Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
} Name: Venu
}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: City, State, Country
}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
Philip Oshel
Supervisor, BBPIC microscopy facility
Department of Animal Sciences
University of Wisconsin
1675 Observatory Drive
Madison, WI 53706 - 1284
voice: (608) 263-4162
fax: (608) 262-5157 (dept. fax)



From daemon Wed Jun 18 10:51:06 2003



From: Gib Ahlstrand :      ahlst007-at-tc.umn.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:50:05 -0600
Subject: Re: Replicas for SEM

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Hi Barbara,

Here is a simple method using cellulose acetate, possibly the kind of powder
your "guy" had mentioned:

You add acetone (99%) to the cellulose acetate and stir quickly to make a
finger nail polish thickness slurry. Then you simply paint it on the
surface to be replicated and it will dry almost immediately. Then you peel
it off and you have the replica - actually a "negative" of the surface.

You can then trim & mount that onto a SEM stub and sputter coat as usual.

We've done this here on plant leaf samples, for various reasons, sometimes
to actually pick up fungal structures from the surface in order to look at
them from underneath.

You could make a positive of the replica by coating it with a water based
latex like bathroom caulking, then peel that off the replica. I've never
tried it but what ever you do it must be water based material or you might
dissolve or distort the acetate replica.

But most important in this case, before you start, don't forget to brush! -
or not?

Good luck!

--
Gib Ahlstrand, Scientist
Electron Optical Facility, University of Minnesota, CBS Imaging Center,
35 Snyder Hall, St. Paul, MN. USA. 55108 (612)624-3454
(612)625-5754 FAX, ahlst007-at-tc.umn.edu
http://www.cbs.umn.edu/ic/

"You can learn a lot by observation - just by lookin'!" - Yogi Bera

} Hi Liststers,
} I have a SEM project to do that involves making replicas of teeth. The
} replicas I have made were made with acetate replicating tape. The guy who gave
} me the teeth sez it is a kind of powder that one makes into a mixture that one
} coats the teeth and hardens much like a latex peel. Any advice as to how to
} make these and which would be better for SEM?
}
} Barbara Plowman
} Univ. of the Pacific
} School of Dentistry
} ph: 415-929-6692
} email: Bplowman-at-sf.uop.edu







From daemon Wed Jun 18 11:31:30 2003



From: Anita Garg :      Anita.Garg-at-lerc.nasa.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:24 -0400
Subject: Electrolyte for making TEM foils of NiTiPt alloys

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Hello

it's interesting that figures between about 0.1 to 0.5% and 2 are 3% are quoted for detectability in EDX and this appears to reinforce the fact that you can only be sure when you try it.

Just to muddy the water a bit further I would be concerned if the chloride layer was much less that 1um thick because it could then potentially represent a smaller part of the interaction volume. I also understand that chlorine compounds can be a bit volatile in the beam and so some loss may occur.

But detectable levels can of course also be affected by other parameters such as the energy of the incident electrons, the amount of time of analysis, the relative composition of the matrix, whether the sample has to be coated and whether you believe the peak exists (and probably which way the wind's blowing).

Malcolm Haswell
e.m. unit
University of Sunderland
UK

----- Original Message -----
} From: Vlad Igoshev {vladig-at-tht.net}


Dear Pavel,
Detection limit in the EDS is not a simple issue and it varies considerably from
element to element. I usually tell my customers that it is 0.5 wt. %, but it is
better than that for the K lines of the metals and worse for L and M lines. Any
overlapping element lines will worsen the detection limit considerably, as will
large ZAF correction factors. I have detected and quantified 0.2 wt.% Mn in an
aluminum alloy. For Cl it should be similar, but it is difficult to say for sure
without testing it on a standard of known chloride content. 0.2 wt % is 2000ppm.
Depth of penetration is another matter and is best answered by using one of the
freeware Monte Carlo simulation programs available. Try the MSA Web site. To see
the depth of the diffusion of the chloride, you will probably have to
cross-section the metal and look for Cl from the surface down into the bulk,
bearing in mind the size of the x-ray volume from the Monte Carlo.
Regards,
Mary Mager
Electron Microscopist
Metals and Materials Engineering
University of British Columbia
6350 Stores Road
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4
CANADA
tel: 604-822-5648
e-mail: mager-at-interchange.ubc.ca
----- Original Message -----
} From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
To: {MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:49 AM


Dear Colleagues
Does anybody know what electrolyte to use for making TEM foils of TiNiPt
alloys using jet polishing?
TIA
Anita



From daemon Wed Jun 18 13:20:47 2003



From: Jan Leunissen :      leunissen-at-aurion.nl
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:08:14 +0200
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Hi,

in addition to the suggestions, 'dark field'
reflection modes may do the trick. Reflection
Contrast Microscopy and Epipolarisation
Microscopy, the latter using polarized light in
epi-mode, used to detect lowl levels of silver in
autoradiography and later on for detecting silver
enhanced gold particles (from subnanometer to
10nm size as a particle to start of with before the
enhancement). It is a very simple technique to
use. I don't know exactly about the lower size
limit for the particles, but we can figure that out
fast.

Hope this helps, I would be interested to know
what works best for you. Cheers.

================================
Jan Leunissen
Aurion - http://www.aurion.nl
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 13:50:53 2003



From: Moninger, Thomas :      moningert-at-mail.medicine.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:42:17 -0500
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List,
Any fluorescence microscope equipped with a epi-polarization cube (Chroma
#33001 or a 50/50 beam splitter and two polarizers from Omega) should work
quite well.
Tom

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} From: Philip Oshel [mailto:peoshel-at-wisc.edu]
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To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

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}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
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}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 14:19:23 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:10:57 -0500
Subject: RE: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl

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Pavel,
Too often customers do not know what really do they need.
Is this project a part of failure analysis? Than profiling
with SIMS will be an overkill and a little bit too expensive.

} I appreciate all the answers I have received.
}
} I have looked on the cross section of a sample and ran EDS
} and EDS line
} scan, but could not see anything.

You do not need to do a line scan if spectra acquisition
did not show a Cl peak. To get the best sensitivity possible
with EDS you have to use the right geometry (WD and tilt angle)
and highest possible current, so that dead time is about
30-50% with acquisition time 10 min (or more).

} I did suggest the SIMS since they are looking to see how deep
} did the Cl
} diffused.
}
} Now I am trying to setup Cl standard for WDS and check the
} cross section,
} but I do not think that I would be successful.

For the first step you do not need any standards. Just
(again) use right geometry and high current and time for
spectra acquisition. You will see whether you have a Cl peak.

} Does any one knows if defused chlorine would cause any
} problems with 17-4PH,
} especially if the customer removes 3 mils from the surface
} that the parts
} were exposed to Cl (?) containing ink marker?

I have not worked with exactly this steel, but I can assume
that it could have the usual problems for this class of
materials in chlorine environment - pitting and stress
corrosion. Both these processes are surface initiated and
I will not advice a customer from nonacademic organization
to look for Cl diffusion profile.

Good luck,

Vladimir

Vladimir M. Dusevich, Ph.D.
Electron Microscope Lab Manager
3127 School of Dentistry
650 E. 25th Street
Kansas City, MO 64108-2784

Phone: (816) 235-2072
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} Pavel Lozovyy
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}
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}
}
} } sounds like a job for SIMS particularly if you want depth
} profiles - low
} Z
} } detection in a high Z environment with EDX is tricky at best...
} }
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} } } it to ppm range?
} } }
} } } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine
} from an ink
} marker
} } } diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did,
} how deep? The
} } } customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine 100ppm?
} 200ppm?
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 15:17:08 2003



From: Vladislav Speransky :      vlad-at-linus.niams.nih.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:07:48 -0400
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Hi Hong,

Uranyl acetate at pH 2.5 or below should help, it gives less general
contrast but will be more specific towards nucleic acids. 2% solution
en bloc for 3 h or overnight in the fridge, after usual GA-Os
fixation and before dehydration. Then on sections 5-10 minutes, *not
longer*, I used the same 2%, but 5% low pH may work even better. I
would try with and without lead staining, depending on the specimen.
Maybe even without Os, depending again on the purpose of
investigation. And, of course, this calls for very thin sections, 40
nm and under.

Hope this is your only trouble now :)
Best wishes,
Vlad
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Hi, everyone:
An investigator here is looking at the changes in ribosomes with
different chemical treatments. Can anyone recommend a fixation and/or
staining procedure that will enhance the contrast of ribosomes at
ultrastructural level?
Thank you in advance and I look forward to hearing from you.

Hong Yi
Emory School of Medicine EM
Tel: (404) 727-8692 (Office), (404) 712-8491 (Lab)
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 15:55:45 2003



From: Larry Hanke :      hanke-at-mee-inc.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:25:24 -0500
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Dear Pavel,
Did you detect Cl in the ink? The problem with Cl in stainless steel is that it
may cause corrosion. You would see this on the cross-section, where it will
cause intergranular cracks. Stainless steels with Mo added are more resistant to
chloride corrosion. If you don't see any sign of intergranular cracking, a small
amount of diffused Cl probably won't cause problems.
It is relatively easy to calculate the detection limit of an element in WDX. I
use the formula:
C(l) = C(St)x(3 x square root B/P-B)
where C(l) is detection limit in mass%, C(St) is mass concentration of the
element of interest in the standard, P is the total peak counts in the standard
and B is the total background counts in the standard. I use a mounted and
polished KCl or NaCl crystal as a standard. Once you run the standard you can
calculate the detection limit. It is usually much lower than in EDS.
Good luck,
Mary Mager
Electron Microscopist
Metals and Materials Engineering
University of British Columbia
6350 Stores Road
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4
CANADA
tel: 604-822-5648
e-mail: mager-at-interchange.ubc.ca
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I would be very surprised if chlorine could diffuse into the stainless
steel matrix. The diffusion coefficient for elements like carbon and
nitrogen are extremely slow at temperatures below 1000F, and the
chlorine atoms will be bigger and slower.

If the chlorine is present as a chloride ion, corrosion could occur.
Then you may have pits that could penetrate into the stainless steel.
Metallurgical changes due to corrosion by the chlorides should be
readily visible in your cross sections.

Hope this helps.

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Materials Evaluation and Engineering, Inc.
Practical Solutions Through Technology and Innovation
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 17:46:08 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:38:06 -0700
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Hello Richard
I am biological science guy, but it seems to me the grids with "holey film"
covered with thin carbon film is sort of universal solution for
high-resolution work. I think, major EM suppliers sells it. Personally, I
am using my own home-made stuff. The biggest issue with hi-res work is
stability and drift, so "holey film" should be permanently attached to the
EM grid. My "holey film" is carbon "glued" to the 150 mesh copper Hex
grid. The size of holes is about 1-2 mkm. The important things about
"holey film" - the "bridges" between the holes should be uniform in
thickness. It provides stability and eliminates the drift. Just before
sample preparation I mount some carbon film over the grid. I usually use
1.2-1.8 nm thick carbon film evaporated on freshly cleaved mica by
"electron gun" in the oil-free environment. Such films show extreme
stability under the beam and they attached nicely to the carbon "holey
film". You may not glow-discharge those films because of their
thickness. From another hand, because those films produced in the very
clean environment, I do find that they do work well in many applications
where glow-discharge mandatory for ordinary films (DNA adsorption for
instance). The advantage of thin film is that you have better noise-signal
ratio and "electron gun" produced film is really stable. Have a good
day, Sergey

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From daemon Wed Jun 18 18:36:28 2003



From: Bryony James :      b.james-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:27:43 +1200
Subject: Re: SEM facility funding answers

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Guys,

The EDS limit is around 2% and the accelerating voltage doesn't affect it.
Of cause, if you are dealing with a layer, then you can play with the
voltage and the tilt, but the limit will be the same. I had to deal with a
similar problem but a 'better" element - Ag. Its content in the alloy is
around 2 - 2.5% and the alloy contains Sn, which makes everything much
worse. I knew that the EDS limit around 2-3% but asked EDAX for a "formal"
backup and they came back with the same numbers.

Regards,

Vladimir Igoshev, PhD.

Toronto, Canada
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Dee,

Thanks for posting the summary of response on facility funding. I
notice that no-one has explicitly mentioned depreciation. We have to
bring enough from user fees to cover 1.75 full time salaries, running
costs and depreciation. We don't see the depreciated funds again, they
dissapear to the University Centre to be dispensed across the board.
Each instrument is depreciated over ten years, so on top of fighting
for funding for the purchase cost we have to find an additional 10% of
the that cost for each year of the next decade. This situation makes it
impossible to break even each year let alone imagine replacing some of
our aging instruments.
One could become rather jaded.

Regards
Bryony


From daemon Wed Jun 18 23:31:37 2003



From: diaspro :      diaspro-at-fisica.unige.it
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:21:42 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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Begin forwarded message:

} From: diaspro {diaspro-at-fisica.unige.it}
} Date: Gio giu 19, 2003 06:20:33 Europe/Rome
} To: "Moninger, Thomas" {moningert-at-mail.medicine.uiowa.edu}
} Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold
}
} in reflection on a sparse sample you can detect postion of 5 nm gold
} particles
} On Mercoledì, giu 18, 2003, at 16:39 Europe/Rome, Moninger, Thomas
} wrote:
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} } (Chroma
} } #33001 or a 50/50 beam splitter and two polarizers from Omega) should
} } work
} } quite well.
} } Tom
} }
} } -----Original Message-----
} } } From: Ritchie Sims [mailto:r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz]
} } Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:38 PM
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} } } needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} } } using light microscopy?
} } }
} }
} } I don't think you have any chance with LM, but I'll be interested to
} } hear if
} } there is a
} } way.
} }
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} }
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From: diaspro :      diaspro-at-fisica.unige.it
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:23:28 +0200
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right the last sentence
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} Venu,
}
} You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
} Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast (AIC),
} possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried that
} one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't tried it.
} The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
} although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
} diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.
}
} Phil
}
} } Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
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} }
} } Organization: Purdue University
} }
} } Education: Graduate College
} }
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} }
} } Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} } needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} } using light microscopy?
} }
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} --
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From daemon Wed Jun 18 23:31:40 2003



From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:25:14 -0700
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Is sulfur a bigger issue here? I'd be concerned
about it more than chlorine. But that is
just me. Stainless steel is differentiated
by sulfur it seems to me, rather than chlorine.
But of course, your SS may vary.

gary g.


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From: Allen Sampson :      ars-at-sem.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:47:53 -0500
Subject: SEM - Amray 1200C manual and schematics

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I made a service referral to someone out west who is having an Amray 1200C
installed and who is now asking if I have a source for the operator's
manual and schematics for it. I don't currently have those in my
collection (I try to keep paper and digitized copies of old SEM documents
handy for those who need them).

So, I thought I'd pass the request on to the kind citizens here. Can
anyone help?

Allen R. Sampson
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From daemon Thu Jun 19 06:46:58 2003



From: gary.m.brown-at-exxonmobil.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:58:42 -0500
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Thanks a lot for the information every body!

I was not able to detect any chlorine on the cross section that I was
analyzing. WDS showed higher background than the peak. Of coarse it does not
mean that we do not have any chlorine diffusion. It is entirely possible
that I am not looking at the right plane of polish or in slightly different
location, but there is no way of knowing where the chlorine would like to
diffuse.
The 17-4 PH parts marked with an ink, that possibly contains chlorine
(according to my customer), were heat treated and do not meet a MIL spec
due to the markings. My customer is trying to make a case that the chlorine
containing ink on the parts ( value ~ $30K) would not have any effect on the
parts, especially that
they machine couple mils off.

I think for them to have a better case, they would have to go to SIMS.

Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
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Hi Barbara,

Here is a simple method using cellulose acetate, possibly the kind of
powder
your "guy" had mentioned:

You add acetone (99%) to the cellulose acetate and stir quickly to make a
finger nail polish thickness slurry. Then you simply paint it on the
surface to be replicated and it will dry almost immediately. Then you peel
it off and you have the replica - actually a "negative" of the surface.

You can then trim & mount that onto a SEM stub and sputter coat as usual.

We've done this here on plant leaf samples, for various reasons, sometimes
to actually pick up fungal structures from the surface in order to look at
them from underneath.

You could make a positive of the replica by coating it with a water based
latex like bathroom caulking, then peel that off the replica. I've never
tried it but what ever you do it must be water based material or you might
dissolve or distort the acetate replica.

But most important in this case, before you start, don't forget to brush! -
or not?

Good luck!

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Electron Optical Facility, University of Minnesota, CBS Imaging Center,
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} Hi Liststers,
} I have a SEM project to do that involves making replicas of teeth. The
} replicas I have made were made with acetate replicating tape. The guy who
gave
} me the teeth sez it is a kind of powder that one makes into a mixture that
one
} coats the teeth and hardens much like a latex peel. Any advice as to how
to
} make these and which would be better for SEM?
}
} Barbara Plowman
} Univ. of the Pacific
} School of Dentistry
} ph: 415-929-6692
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From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:37 -0230
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Hi Pavel,

If you mean EDS analysis, then you can't get any lower then 2-3 %. ppm level
isn't for EDS at all.

Regards,

Vladimir Igoshev, Ph.D.
Toronto, Canada
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Dear Pavel,
Detection limit in the EDS is not a simple issue and it varies considerably from
element to element. I usually tell my customers that it is 0.5 wt. %, but it is
better than that for the K lines of the metals and worse for L and M lines. Any
overlapping element lines will worsen the detection limit considerably, as will
large ZAF correction factors. I have detected and quantified 0.2 wt.% Mn in an
aluminum alloy. For Cl it should be similar, but it is difficult to say for sure
without testing it on a standard of known chloride content. 0.2 wt % is 2000ppm.
Depth of penetration is another matter and is best answered by using one of the
freeware Monte Carlo simulation programs available. Try the MSA Web site. To see
the depth of the diffusion of the chloride, you will probably have to
cross-section the metal and look for Cl from the surface down into the bulk,
bearing in mind the size of the x-ray volume from the Monte Carlo.
Regards,
Mary Mager
Electron Microscopist
Metals and Materials Engineering
University of British Columbia
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Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4
CANADA
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Thank you for the reply.

We are only interested to see if there is Cl diffusion or not and how deep
(if possible). We do not need to quantify it.


Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
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Ritchie writes ...

} I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any
} complicating factors, or 5000ppm with more confidence.

regarding ...

} } Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and
} } compare it to ppm range?
} }
} } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink
} } marker diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how
} } deep? The customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine
} } 100ppm? 200ppm?

I would think 1000ppm is a good approximation, assuming we are talking
about SEM/EDX. However, I'd also comment ... a detection limit is difficult
to evaluate for EDX, and indeed many EDX softwares do not even provide for
it. The EDX background is relatively straight-forward with modern
softwares, but the error associated with it is not ... and may also depend
on parameters used for background modelling ... e.g., the absorption in the
low energy end, any parameter used for the exponential high energy end,
whether parameters are fixed or automatic (and an iterative function of
composition), or if ROIs are used.

Not that EDX sensitivities are impossible, but rather impossible to
address if a lot more is not known. It sounds like this "customer" wants
not only quantitative wt%, but also wants the error quantified as well (my
definition of "quantitative analysis"). This SEM operator, Mr. Pavel
Lozovyy, should consult specifically with his EDX & software support.

my ca$0.02 & cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
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From: diaspro :      diaspro-at-fisica.unige.it
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:23:28 +0200
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Guys,

The EDS limit is around 2% and the accelerating voltage doesn't affect it.
Of cause, if you are dealing with a layer, then you can play with the
voltage and the tilt, but the limit will be the same. I had to deal with a
similar problem but a 'better" element - Ag. Its content in the alloy is
around 2 - 2.5% and the alloy contains Sn, which makes everything much
worse. I knew that the EDS limit around 2-3% but asked EDAX for a "formal"
backup and they came back with the same numbers.

Regards,

Vladimir Igoshev, PhD.

Toronto, Canada
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right the last sentence
On Mercoledì, giu 18, 2003, at 15:29 Europe/Rome, Philip Oshel wrote:

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From: Moninger, Thomas :      moningert-at-mail.medicine.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:39:24 -0500
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Venu, Ritchie
Any fluorescence microscope equipped with a epi-polarization cube (Chroma
#33001 or a 50/50 beam splitter and two polarizers from Omega) should work
quite well.
Tom

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}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}

I don't think you have any chance with LM, but I'll be interested to hear if
there is a
way.

cheers

rtch

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From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
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}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}

I don't think you have any chance with LM, but I'll be interested to hear if there is a
way.

cheers

rtch

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From: Jan Leunissen :      leunissen-at-aurion.nl
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:08:14 +0200
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Hi,

in addition to the suggestions, 'dark field'
reflection modes may do the trick. Reflection
Contrast Microscopy and Epipolarisation
Microscopy, the latter using polarized light in
epi-mode, used to detect lowl levels of silver in
autoradiography and later on for detecting silver
enhanced gold particles (from subnanometer to
10nm size as a particle to start of with before the
enhancement). It is a very simple technique to
use. I don't know exactly about the lower size
limit for the particles, but we can figure that out
fast.

Hope this helps, I would be interested to know
what works best for you. Cheers.

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Aurion - http://www.aurion.nl
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From: Chaoying Ni :      cni-at-udel.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
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I appreciate all the answers I have received.

I have looked on the cross section of a sample and ran EDS and EDS line
scan, but could not see anything.
I did suggest the SIMS since they are looking to see how deep did the Cl
diffused.
Now I am trying to setup Cl standard for WDS and check the cross section,
but I do not think that I would be successful.

Does any one knows if defused chlorine would cause any problems with 17-4PH,
especially if the customer removes 3 mils from the surface that the parts
were exposed to Cl (?) containing ink marker?


Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com



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I have several EDAX and 2 Oxford systems, and like Oxford the better.

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From: Larry Hanke :      hanke-at-mee-inc.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:25:24 -0500
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I would be very surprised if chlorine could diffuse into the stainless
steel matrix. The diffusion coefficient for elements like carbon and
nitrogen are extremely slow at temperatures below 1000F, and the
chlorine atoms will be bigger and slower.

If the chlorine is present as a chloride ion, corrosion could occur.
Then you may have pits that could penetrate into the stainless steel.
Metallurgical changes due to corrosion by the chlorides should be
readily visible in your cross sections.

Hope this helps.

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From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) :      ptomic-at-agere.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:14:37 -0400
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I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any complicating factors, or
5000ppm with more confidence.

cheers

rtch



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Pavel;

I agree with Ricth Sims about the lower limit of detection. However, there are some caveats you should be aware of such as excitation volume/interaction volume and the matrix of elements the Cl is in. The software program "Electron Flight Simulator" by Small World Systems, Inc. can give you an approximation of just how deep the interaction volume is for a given accelerating voltage. Also, you should know if any of the other elements in the matrix will absorb and of the Cl photon emissions [absorption edges].

If you send me the matrix off-line I'd be happy run the simulation for you.

If you are after a depth profile, it would be best to user AES [Auger Spectroscopy] or SIMS [Scanning Ion Mass Spectroscopy] SIMS would have the best sensitivity.

Peter Tomic
Agere Systems

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Dear listers,
Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and compare
it to ppm range?

I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine from an ink marker
diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did, how deep? The
customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine 100ppm? 200ppm?

Any advice is appreciated

Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com




From daemon Thu Jun 19 09:43:04 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:10:57 -0500
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Pavel,
Too often customers do not know what really do they need.
Is this project a part of failure analysis? Than profiling
with SIMS will be an overkill and a little bit too expensive.

} I appreciate all the answers I have received.
}
} I have looked on the cross section of a sample and ran EDS
} and EDS line
} scan, but could not see anything.

You do not need to do a line scan if spectra acquisition
did not show a Cl peak. To get the best sensitivity possible
with EDS you have to use the right geometry (WD and tilt angle)
and highest possible current, so that dead time is about
30-50% with acquisition time 10 min (or more).

} I did suggest the SIMS since they are looking to see how deep
} did the Cl
} diffused.
}
} Now I am trying to setup Cl standard for WDS and check the
} cross section,
} but I do not think that I would be successful.

For the first step you do not need any standards. Just
(again) use right geometry and high current and time for
spectra acquisition. You will see whether you have a Cl peak.

} Does any one knows if defused chlorine would cause any
} problems with 17-4PH,
} especially if the customer removes 3 mils from the surface
} that the parts
} were exposed to Cl (?) containing ink marker?

I have not worked with exactly this steel, but I can assume
that it could have the usual problems for this class of
materials in chlorine environment - pitting and stress
corrosion. Both these processes are surface initiated and
I will not advice a customer from nonacademic organization
to look for Cl diffusion profile.

Good luck,

Vladimir

Vladimir M. Dusevich, Ph.D.
Electron Microscope Lab Manager
3127 School of Dentistry
650 E. 25th Street
Kansas City, MO 64108-2784

Phone: (816) 235-2072
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}
}
} } sounds like a job for SIMS particularly if you want depth
} profiles - low
} Z
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} } } it to ppm range?
} } }
} } } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine
} from an ink
} marker
} } } diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If it did,
} how deep? The
} } } customer is asking what is my detection limit for chlorine 100ppm?
} 200ppm?
} } }
} } } Any advice is appreciated
} } }
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From: Bryony James :      b.james-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:27:43 +1200
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I am a bit lost.

If you say SEM do you mean imaging with SE or BSE , EDS or WDS?
If it is EDS I would say 0.5 atomic percent in a metal matrix at 25kV. Since it is a light element 15 kV would be sufficient to "see" all your elements in your alloy as well as Cl. The limit would be different since your interaction volume is different therefore determining the distance your EDS can see Cl (assuming you look at a cross section of the area of interest eg a fracture or a crack. Are the Cl real or from greasy hands handling the sample even the atmosphere close to the sea?
Are you using theoretical standards, pure elements or a "real" 17-4 PH alloy standard that was verified by other more accurate means eg. a probe? All these factors do influence your detection limit and accuracy. The distance detectable in a trace scan is limited by your interaction volume thus density and kV combination.
Remember that Cl is often driven away by the beam and the analysis should preferably not be carried out in spot mode and on a fresh area defeating the purpose of using a line or spot trace.

As You can see, this is not a simple question with a simple answer.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION of an typical 17-4 PH alloy

CARBON. 0.07% MAX.
CHROMIUM. 15.O - 17.5%.
MANGANESE. 1.00%
MAX. NICKEL. 3.00- 5.00%.
PHOSPHORUS. 0.04% MAX.
COPPER. 3.00- 5.00%.
SULPHUR. 0.03% MAX.

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I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any complicating factors, or
5000ppm with more confidence.

cheers

rtch



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Dear Pavel,
Did you detect Cl in the ink? The problem with Cl in stainless steel is that it
may cause corrosion. You would see this on the cross-section, where it will
cause intergranular cracks. Stainless steels with Mo added are more resistant to
chloride corrosion. If you don't see any sign of intergranular cracking, a small
amount of diffused Cl probably won't cause problems.
It is relatively easy to calculate the detection limit of an element in WDX. I
use the formula:
C(l) = C(St)x(3 x square root B/P-B)
where C(l) is detection limit in mass%, C(St) is mass concentration of the
element of interest in the standard, P is the total peak counts in the standard
and B is the total background counts in the standard. I use a mounted and
polished KCl or NaCl crystal as a standard. Once you run the standard you can
calculate the detection limit. It is usually much lower than in EDS.
Good luck,
Mary Mager
Electron Microscopist
Metals and Materials Engineering
University of British Columbia
6350 Stores Road
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4
CANADA
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Dee,

Thanks for posting the summary of response on facility funding. I
notice that no-one has explicitly mentioned depreciation. We have to
bring enough from user fees to cover 1.75 full time salaries, running
costs and depreciation. We don't see the depreciated funds again, they
dissapear to the University Centre to be dispensed across the board.
Each instrument is depreciated over ten years, so on top of fighting
for funding for the purchase cost we have to find an additional 10% of
the that cost for each year of the next decade. This situation makes it
impossible to break even each year let alone imagine replacing some of
our aging instruments.
One could become rather jaded.

Regards
Bryony



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From: Nancy L. Robertson :      ffnlr-at-uaf.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:16:00 -0800
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To all TEM facilities:

I need someone to help me with plant viruses/TEM research. I do have TEM
background but do not have an electron microscope(none in Alaska). I need to
look at purified viruses and viruses in plant tissue. I am looking for a EM
facility that either contracts research projects or allows one to use their
facility for a short segment of time. My immediate need is to have grids of
purified virus or leaf dips looked at for virus particles.

Thank you,

Nancy Robertson



Nancy L. Robertson
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USDA, ARS
533 E. Fireweed Ave.
Palmer Alaska 99645
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From: Vladislav Speransky :      vlad-at-linus.niams.nih.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:07:48 -0400
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Hi Hong,

Uranyl acetate at pH 2.5 or below should help, it gives less general
contrast but will be more specific towards nucleic acids. 2% solution
en bloc for 3 h or overnight in the fridge, after usual GA-Os
fixation and before dehydration. Then on sections 5-10 minutes, *not
longer*, I used the same 2%, but 5% low pH may work even better. I
would try with and without lead staining, depending on the specimen.
Maybe even without Os, depending again on the purpose of
investigation. And, of course, this calls for very thin sections, 40
nm and under.

Hope this is your only trouble now :)
Best wishes,
Vlad
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Hi, everyone:
An investigator here is looking at the changes in ribosomes with
different chemical treatments. Can anyone recommend a fixation and/or
staining procedure that will enhance the contrast of ribosomes at
ultrastructural level?
Thank you in advance and I look forward to hearing from you.

Hong Yi
Emory School of Medicine EM
Tel: (404) 727-8692 (Office), (404) 712-8491 (Lab)
Fax: (404) 727-3157



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From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:25:14 -0700
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Is sulfur a bigger issue here? I'd be concerned
about it more than chlorine. But that is
just me. Stainless steel is differentiated
by sulfur it seems to me, rather than chlorine.
But of course, your SS may vary.

gary g.


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From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:59:11 -0500
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} I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any
} complicating factors, or
} 5000ppm with more confidence.
}
} cheers
}
} rtch

I agree with this estimate, but nevertheless it is worth a try
to examine the specimens with EDS. I suspect that a customer
has a pitting corrosion of a stainless steel (Cl is a usual
cause of a pitting). In that case Cl in the pits could (but
not must) be detectable.

Vladimir



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From: Richard Olsson :      richard-at-polymer.kth.se (by way of
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:29:16 -0500
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Dear listeners,

I have a question regarding grids for TEM studies of nanoparticles (ferrites) with sizes from 40 - 100 nm. Can anyone help me with what kind of grids/films I can use to study my particles ? or if anyone knows if there is any good literature that I should take a look at?
The particles are dispersed in ethanol and then a droplet of the ethanol with particles will be put placed on the grid/film. However, if there are other better methods, I am very interested.

I would be greatful for any advice.

Yours sincerely
Richard Olsson



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From: Anita Garg :      Anita.Garg-at-lerc.nasa.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:24 -0400
Subject: Electrolyte for making TEM foils of NiTiPt alloys

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Dear Colleagues
Does anybody know what electrolyte to use for making TEM foils of TiNiPt
alloys using jet polishing?
TIA
Anita




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From: Moninger, Thomas :      moningert-at-mail.medicine.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:42:17 -0500
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List,
Any fluorescence microscope equipped with a epi-polarization cube (Chroma
#33001 or a 50/50 beam splitter and two polarizers from Omega) should work
quite well.
Tom

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Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

} Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
} Name: Venu
}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: City, State, Country
}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
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From: Gib Ahlstrand :      ahlst007-at-tc.umn.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:50:05 -0600
Subject: Re: Replicas for SEM

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Hi Barbara,

Here is a simple method using cellulose acetate, possibly the kind of powder
your "guy" had mentioned:

You add acetone (99%) to the cellulose acetate and stir quickly to make a
finger nail polish thickness slurry. Then you simply paint it on the
surface to be replicated and it will dry almost immediately. Then you peel
it off and you have the replica - actually a "negative" of the surface.

You can then trim & mount that onto a SEM stub and sputter coat as usual.

We've done this here on plant leaf samples, for various reasons, sometimes
to actually pick up fungal structures from the surface in order to look at
them from underneath.

You could make a positive of the replica by coating it with a water based
latex like bathroom caulking, then peel that off the replica. I've never
tried it but what ever you do it must be water based material or you might
dissolve or distort the acetate replica.

But most important in this case, before you start, don't forget to brush! -
or not?

Good luck!

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} Hi Liststers,
} I have a SEM project to do that involves making replicas of teeth. The
} replicas I have made were made with acetate replicating tape. The guy who gave
} me the teeth sez it is a kind of powder that one makes into a mixture that one
} coats the teeth and hardens much like a latex peel. Any advice as to how to
} make these and which would be better for SEM?
}
} Barbara Plowman
} Univ. of the Pacific
} School of Dentistry
} ph: 415-929-6692
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From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:42:29 -0500
Subject: Re: FEI Beam Technology

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Owen,

Joe Race was my last contact at FEI Beam Tech. Very helpful

{HTTP://WWW.FEIBEAMTECH.COM} HTTP://WWW.FEIBEAMTECH.COM
JRACE-at-FEICO.COM
PHONE-503.640.7695
FAX-503.640.7509

You might also try "Lyman, Roger" {RLyman-at-FEICO.com}
I haven't tried to contact anyone for some months, or anyone at all
except Joe Race since the last round of buyouts (by Veeco [or whoever
it was], if that's still the last round of buyouts), but I assume
they're still there.

Phil

} Hi,
}
} I want order a LaB6 cathode from FEI Beam Tech and cannot get
} through to a person. Their automated phone system requires that you
} know who you want to talk to, no operator!! Duh!
}
} Does anyone know a contact person there?
}
} Owen
}
} Owen P. Mills
} Electron Optics Engineer
} Materials Science & Engineering
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} Rm 512 M&M Bldg.
} Houghton, MI 49931
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} FAX 906-487-2934
} mailto:opmills-at-mtu.edu
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From: Micic, Miodrag (Mickey) :      mickey-at-pnl.gov
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:30:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist:LM 30 nm gold

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Hello

it's interesting that figures between about 0.1 to 0.5% and 2 are 3% are quoted for detectability in EDX and this appears to reinforce the fact that you can only be sure when you try it.

Just to muddy the water a bit further I would be concerned if the chloride layer was much less that 1um thick because it could then potentially represent a smaller part of the interaction volume. I also understand that chlorine compounds can be a bit volatile in the beam and so some loss may occur.

But detectable levels can of course also be affected by other parameters such as the energy of the incident electrons, the amount of time of analysis, the relative composition of the matrix, whether the sample has to be coated and whether you believe the peak exists (and probably which way the wind's blowing).

Malcolm Haswell
e.m. unit
University of Sunderland
UK

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Phil and Venu,

I dont see hwo the differential interface contrast can work beyond diffraction limit ?

I will say only TEM or AFM can be used to succesfully image this small particle.

Just to detect them (like in the case of single molecular spectroscopy/imaging) a confocal imaging may work well, but you do not image them, just you see brighter spot, on the size of the half of the wavelenght.

Best regards,

Mickey

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Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

} Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
} Name: Venu
}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: City, State, Country
}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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University of Wisconsin
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fax: (608) 262-5157 (dept. fax)




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From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:58:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Ribosomes

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Dear Yi
Ribosome (RS) is about 28 nm in diameter and wery fagile. You may not see
the structure of RS on the conventional ultrathin sections with standard
processing. You also could not see fine structure on the chemically fixed
ribosomes. The only one way known to me to investigate the fine structure
of the free ribosomes in vitro is cryo-EM with 3D-reconstruction. Please,
made search for Joachim Frank works. Ribosome is extremely sensitive and
complicated "machine": you have to perform state of the art biochemistry to
isolate them intact. Usually we are using RNAase-free strains or
thermophilic bacteria to isolate ribosomes. As far as I know, there is just
a few places in US, where people is able to isolate intact ribosomes. Of
coarse, "intact" is very subjective word. You may check Harry Noller works
for RS isolation. Best wishes, Sergey

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From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:29:38 -0500
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Venu,

You need diffraction optics of some sort. Differential Interference
Contrast (aka Normarski, DIC), Asymmetric Illumination Contrast
(AIC), possibly Hoffman Modulation Contrast, although I haven't tried
that one. Phase Contrast *might* work, although again, I haven't
tried it.
The idea is that these sub-resolution particles can be detected,
although they cannot be resolved (or imaged). The "inflated
diffraction image" is reasonably easy to see.

Phil

} Email: venu-at-purdue.edu
} Name: Venu
}
} Organization: Purdue University
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: City, State, Country
}
} Question: Could you please tell me the imaging requirements (tools
} needed) and the proper technique to observe 30-40 nm gold particles
} using light microscopy?
}
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Department of Animal Sciences
University of Wisconsin
1675 Observatory Drive
Madison, WI 53706 - 1284
voice: (608) 263-4162
fax: (608) 262-5157 (dept. fax)



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From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:45:05 -0500
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Mickey,

It depends on what you mean by "can work". It can't image the
particles, or resolve 2 particles close together, but the way the
particles diffract light does make them detectable. They appear to be
larger than they really are.

Phil

} Phil and Venu,
}
} I dont see hwo the differential interface contrast can work beyond
} diffraction limit ?
}
} I will say only TEM or AFM can be used to succesfully image this
} small particle.
}
} Just to detect them (like in the case of single molecular
} spectroscopy/imaging) a confocal imaging may work well, but you do
} not image them, just you see brighter spot, on the size of the half
} of the wavelenght.
}
} Best regards,
}
} Mickey
}
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From: Wil Bigelow :      bigelow-at-engin.umich.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:09:19 -0400
Subject: RE: Turbo Pump Instructions

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In response to the request for information about procedures for
operating a turbo pump on a JEOL 845 microscope. If you can't obtain
explicit instructiuons for this particular instrument, you might
refer to Section 6.18 in my book, 'Vacuum Methods in Electron
Microscopy' (see:http://www.2spi.com/catalog/books/book48.html/) for
a description), where general operating procedures for instruments
with turbo pumps are discussed. This discussion should give you the
necessary information to devise the necessary procedures for yopur
instrument. Even if you do obtain such instructions, Chapter 6
contains a rather detailed description of the construction and
operating characteristics of turbomolecular pumps that should help
you in understanding the performance of your instrument.

Good luck ,
WCB

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From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:18 -0500
Subject: RE: SEM detection limit of Cl

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That rather sounds like double-dipping. If you received an instrumentation
grant from outside the university to purchase the equipment, it seems that
depreciation should not be an issue. However, if you are fighting
internally for part of a university-wide pot of money, then I could see how
the university might insist on the depreciation. It seems that they never
really gave you the money for the instrument, they are letting you "buy" it
according to the depreciation schedule. That way, they can replenish the
pot for the next pieces of instrumentation.

Is that a fair assessment? If not, please clarify.

Warren

At 01:27 PM 6/19/2003 +1200, you wrote:

} Dee,
}
} Thanks for posting the summary of response on facility funding. I
} notice that no-one has explicitly mentioned depreciation. We have to
} bring enough from user fees to cover 1.75 full time salaries, running
} costs and depreciation. We don't see the depreciated funds again, they
} dissapear to the University Centre to be dispensed across the board.
} Each instrument is depreciated over ten years, so on top of fighting
} for funding for the purchase cost we have to find an additional 10% of
} the that cost for each year of the next decade. This situation makes it
} impossible to break even each year let alone imagine replacing some of
} our aging instruments.
} One could become rather jaded.
}
} Regards
} Bryony

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That rather sounds like double-dipping. If you received an instrumentation
grant from outside the university to purchase the equipment, it seems that
depreciation should not be an issue. However, if you are fighting
internally for part of a university-wide pot of money, then I could see how
the university might insist on the depreciation. It seems that they never
really gave you the money for the instrument, they are letting you "buy" it
according to the depreciation schedule. That way, they can replenish the
pot for the next pieces of instrumentation.

Is that a fair assessment? If not, please clarify.

Warren

At 01:27 PM 6/19/2003 +1200, you wrote:

} Dee,
}
} Thanks for posting the summary of response on facility funding. I
} notice that no-one has explicitly mentioned depreciation. We have to
} bring enough from user fees to cover 1.75 full time salaries, running
} costs and depreciation. We don't see the depreciated funds again, they
} dissapear to the University Centre to be dispensed across the board.
} Each instrument is depreciated over ten years, so on top of fighting
} for funding for the purchase cost we have to find an additional 10% of
} the that cost for each year of the next decade. This situation makes it
} impossible to break even each year let alone imagine replacing some of
} our aging instruments.
} One could become rather jaded.
}
} Regards
} Bryony

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Thanks for the reply,

my material is a glass containing nano-size ferroelectric crystallites 100-
200 nm. I want to make sure that these nano-crystallites are ferroelectic. I
read your reply to use PFM and i have some questions after reading some papers
on PFM.

QUE1- What is the minimum d33 coefficient to get a recognizable contrast
because i read that the piezoresponse depends upon the d33 coefficient? the
d33 coefficient of the single crystals same as nanocrystallites in my material
is 1.3 pm/V, which is very small compared to BaTiO3.

Question2- In response to Dr Sergei's letter (below), He said that since
crystallites are inside the dielectric medium this technique might not work.
My question is-- in this technique, should upper and lower both srfaces of the
crystallites should touch conductive surface?

QUE2- Is there any book describing this technique?

Thanks
Pradyumna

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} The best way to detect and image ferroelectric inclusions in
} paraelectric matrix is to use a scanning probe microscopy techniques,
} namely piezoresponse force microscopy. This technique is specifically
} designed to distinguish piezoelectric and non-piezoelectric materials,
} and hence is probably the best choice in this case. It will be
} sensitive only to crystallites exposed on the surface or relatively
} shallow within the glass matrix (~10 nm) and will allow imaging of both
} in-plane and out-of-plane polarization components. You can find some
} examples in paper
} A.Y. Borisevich, S.V. Kalinin, D.A. Bonnell, and P.K. Davies,
} Analysis of phase distributions in the Li2O-Nb2O5-TiO2 system by
} piezoresponse imaging, J. Mater. Res. 16(2), 329-332 (2001).
} The extension of PFM, piezoresponse spectroscopy normally allows
} spatially resolved electromechanical hysteresis loop measurements, e.g.
} within single 50 nm grain, but it might not work for the crystal in the
} dielectric matrix.
} Yours
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}

Hi,
}
} I have a glass- nono-crystallites composite. Nanocrystallites may be
} ferroelectric in nature and I need to prove that nanocrystallites in the
} glassy phase are ferroelectric.
}
} How can i prove using TEM that these nanocrystallites(probably single domain)
} are indeed ferroelectric?


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}
} Guys,
}
} The EDS limit is around 2% and the accelerating voltage

OK. To get real numbers from real system I just performed
test on XL30 with field emission gun at 15 kV, 40-45% dead time,
10 min acquisition time. I measured Cl peak from Au/Pd coated
crystals of table salt and background in Cl peak position on
a stainless steel razor blade. With ZAF correction detection
limit was 0.09%. If Cl could diffuse in steel it would be very
convenient element for trace analysis.

} doesn't affect it.

It does affect. It changes background, peak, correction
coefficients.

} Of cause, if you are dealing with a layer, then you can play with the
} voltage and the tilt, but the limit will be the same. I had
} to deal with a
} similar problem but a 'better" element - Ag. Its content in
} the alloy is
} around 2 - 2.5% and the alloy contains Sn, which makes everything much
} worse. I knew that the EDS limit around 2-3% but asked EDAX
} for a "formal"
} backup and they came back with the same numbers.

I am very surprised. But did you asked service
technician or application lab?

Vladimir Dusevich


} Regards,
}
} Vladimir Igoshev, PhD.
}
} Toronto, Canada
} ----- Original Message -----
} } From: "Coetzee, Mr S. H Physics Science" {COETZEES-at-mopipi.ub.bw}
} To: {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
} Cc: {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
} Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:01 AM
} Subject: RE: SEM detection limit of Cl
}
}
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} } I am a bit lost.
} }
} } If you say SEM do you mean imaging with SE or BSE , EDS or WDS?
} } If it is EDS I would say 0.5 atomic percent in a metal
} matrix at 25kV.
} Since it is a light element 15 kV would be sufficient to
} "see" all your
} elements in your alloy as well as Cl. The limit would be
} different since
} your interaction volume is different therefore determining
} the distance your
} EDS can see Cl (assuming you look at a cross section of the
} area of interest
} eg a fracture or a crack. Are the Cl real or from greasy
} hands handling the
} sample even the atmosphere close to the sea?
} } Are you using theoretical standards, pure elements or a
} "real" 17-4 PH
} alloy standard that was verified by other more accurate means
} eg. a probe?
} All these factors do influence your detection limit and accuracy. The
} distance detectable in a trace scan is limited by your
} interaction volume
} thus density and kV combination.
} } Remember that Cl is often driven away by the beam and the
} analysis should
} preferably not be carried out in spot mode and on a fresh
} area defeating the
} purpose of using a line or spot trace.
} }
} } As You can see, this is not a simple question with a simple answer.
} }
} } CHEMICAL COMPOSITION of an typical 17-4 PH alloy
} }
} } CARBON. 0.07% MAX.
} } CHROMIUM. 15.O - 17.5%.
} } MANGANESE. 1.00%
} } MAX. NICKEL. 3.00- 5.00%.
} } PHOSPHORUS. 0.04% MAX.
} } COPPER. 3.00- 5.00%.
} } SULPHUR. 0.03% MAX.
} }
} } -----Original Message-----
} } } From: Ritchie Sims [mailto:r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz]
} } Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:47 AM
} } To: AtcSEM; MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} } Subject: Re: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl
} }
} }
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} } I'd say about 0.1% ie 1,000 ppm in the absence of any complicating
} factors, or
} } 5000ppm with more confidence.
} }
} } cheers
} }
} } rtch
} }
} }
} }
} } } From: "AtcSEM" {atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net}
} } To: {MIcroscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
} } Subject: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl
} } Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:49:33 -0400
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} } }
} } } Dear listers,
} } } Is there any way to quantify the lowest detection limit of SEM and
} } } compare it to ppm range?
} } }
} } } I have a customer who would like to find out if chlorine
} from an ink
} } } marker diffused into the structure of 17-4 PH alloy? If
} it did, how
} } } deep? The customer is asking what is my detection limit
} for chlorine
} } } 100ppm? 200ppm?
} } }
} } } Any advice is appreciated
} } }
} } } Pavel Lozovyy
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} } } Phone: 216-692-6637
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} } } web: www.atclabs.com
} } }
} } }
} }
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} } Microanalyst Fax : 64 9 3737435
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} } Auckland
} } New Zealand
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}
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From: Martin Ramirez :      ramirez-at-macn.gov.ar
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:19:55 -0300
Subject: vertical bands in SEM Phillips XL30

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Dear listers,

We have a SEM Phillips XL30. All the images taken at extra high resolution
(3232 x 2420 pixels) come with faint vertical bands spaced 11 pixels. The
bands are about 4 pixels wide, and they are apparent by having a greater
variance in gray levels (i.e., they look more grainy).

Does anyone have an idea of why this occur or how to solve it?

Martin



Martín J. Ramírez
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Argentina
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From: Gang \(Greg\) Ning :      gxn7-at-psu.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:02:28 -0400
Subject: Surplus equipment for histology

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Colleagues,

A DAKO Autostainer and a Shandon Consul Automatic Coverslipper are
available for a reasonable price. These automated systems were purchased
3 years ago and have been maintained under service contract through the
manufacturer. Since the equipment was primarily designed for labs
routinely with large volume of histology and
immunohistochemistry/cytochemistry work, they have never been heavily
used in our EM research lab. In another word, they are almost new and in
a very good condition. The EM Facility will provide manual and
maintenance records, and training if required.

Please contact Jocelyn Torcolini in the Electron Microscopy Facility at
Penn State (814-865-0212 or jmt175-at-psu.edu) for more information.

Gang (Greg) Ning
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From: Gary Gaugler :      gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:07:17 -0700
Subject: Re: vertical bands in SEM Phillips XL30

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Well, here are another numbers. I collected an EDS spectrum from 1010 steel
(Jeol/Kevex/tungsten, 20 kV, 30% dead time, 2 minutes), forced the software
to account for Cl and Ar peaks and ran quantification. What I've got was
0.11at%Cl and 0.26at%Ar. I like the "trick" and use it once in a while to
demonstrate my customers that if you don't see a peak then the EDS isn't the
right technique for the analysis and some other methods should be used (like
SIMS), particularly for light elements. Of cause, if you know the element is
there then it's easier to "believe" the numbers.

Regards,

Vladimir
----- Original Message -----
} From: "Dusevich, Vladimir" {dusevichv-at-umkc.edu}
To: "Vlad Igoshev" {vladig-at-tht.net} ; {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:39 PM


Did you try your question on the XL30 list?

gary g.


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From: Darrell Miles :      milesd-at-US.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:54:48 -0400
Subject: LM: Image overlay - Help?

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Hi all...

I could use a little help with overlaying images. On our Zeiss LSM-310, we
can scan a reflected laser image of a sample (computer chip, in our case)
into the Green plane, and then maybe an OBIC image into the Red plane,
and then select the RGB mode. This will display our OBIC image overlaid
on the reflected light image, showing where the OBIC signal is coming
from on the sample.

Now the problem. We have a Roper Scientific CCD mounted on the Zeiss,
which we use for reflected light images, and for capturing images of the
light emitted from the computer chip while it is powered up (photo emission
microscopy - PEM). We are using the WinView32 software that came with
the CCD, and I have tried all of the math functions, etc., that I can find
in
WinView32. I have been unable to do an "overlay" of two images.

Does anyone know how to do a simple overlay with WinView32, or if there
is another application that will work? (Hopefully cheap or free) I don't
need a lot of image processing/analysis power. Just the ability to
overlay.
WinView32 can do pseudo coloring of the images to emulate the Red and
Green planes of the Zeiss.

Thanks for your attention,
Darrell
IBM Microelectronics






From daemon Sat Jun 21 03:11:28 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:08:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Fw: SEM detection limit of Cl

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I don't know WinView32 at all, but Adobe Photoshop has a variety of
techniques for merging and overlaying images either using Layers with
effects such as muliplication, difference or exclusion, or by pasting
images into separate RGB or CMYK colour channels.

Dr. Chris Jeffree
Inveresk Cottage
26, Carberry Road
Inveresk
Musselburgh
Midlothian
EH21 8PR
Tel: +44 131 665 6062
FAX +44 131 653 6248
Mobile 07710 585 401
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} From: "Darrell Miles" {milesd-at-US.ibm.com}
To: {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:54 AM


You can either use a conventional photo program such as
photoshop, or look into ImageJ, a pc port of NIH-Image
(http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/). Both of these can do overlays. If you
have to adjust the sizes to match, both programs do have ways of
doing that, as well.


If you need specifics, feel free to contact me off list.
Joel




You should be able to do it with ImagJ http://rsbweb.nih.gov/ij/ It is pubic
domain so the price is right. It is written in Java and runs on virtually
any computer and has support for user written plugins and a very large
collection growing of them. There is an active users group on developing
plugins.

I think ImageJ is a tool everyone that works with images should have in
their tool box since it an open ended growing project and not tied to any
platform, computer of software. You can have familiar tools on Windows, Mac,
Unix and Linux.

It sounds like all you need to do is use ImageJ's combine RGB plugin on the
files you have. you might have to massaged he files a little first to get
them in the correct format.

If I can help let me know.

Good luck
Gordon Couger gcouger-at-couger.com

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http://www.couger.com/microscope/links/gclinks.html
Please forward any links or information you think might be useful to others.
----- Original Message -----
} From: "Darrell Miles" {milesd-at-US.ibm.com}
To: {Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com}
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:54 PM



On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 04:51 AM, AtcSEM wrote:

} I have looked on the cross section of a sample and ran EDS and EDS line
} scan, but could not see anything.
}
Dear Pavel,
Something that has not yet been mentioned is that, since Cl is
volatile, working at low temperature will be an advantage. If you have
cryo-SEM available to you, try it.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Sat Jun 21 15:48:15 2003



From: Larry Hanke :      hanke-at-mee-inc.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:35:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Image overlay - Help?

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Darrell:

Paint Sho Pro from Jasc Software (www.jasc.com) has similar basic
features to those in Photosphop for lower price (around $100). The layer
function will alloy you to overlay two images and adjust the relative
intensity of each.

--
Larry D. Hanke, P.E.
Materials Evaluation and Engineering, Inc.
Practical Solutions Through Technology and Innovation
http://www.mee-inc.com (763) 449-8870


} Hi all...
} }
} } I could use a little help with overlaying images. On our Zeiss
}
} LSM-310, we
}
} } } can scan a reflected laser image of a sample (computer chip, in our
}
} case)
}
} } } into the Green plane, and then maybe an OBIC image into the Red
}
} plane,
}
} } } and then select the RGB mode. This will display our OBIC image
}
} overlaid
}
} } } on the reflected light image, showing where the OBIC signal is
}
} coming
}
} } } from on the sample.
} } }
} } } Now the problem. We have a Roper Scientific CCD mounted on the
}
} Zeiss,
}
} } } which we use for reflected light images, and for capturing images of
}
} the
}
} } } light emitted from the computer chip while it is powered up (photo
}
} emission
}
} } } microscopy - PEM). We are using the WinView32 software that came
}
} with
}
} } } the CCD, and I have tried all of the math functions, etc., that I
}
} can find
}
} } } in
} } } WinView32. I have been unable to do an "overlay" of two images.
} } }
} } } Does anyone know how to do a simple overlay with WinView32, or if
}
} there
}
} } } is another application that will work? (Hopefully cheap or free) I
}
} don't
}
} } } need a lot of image processing/analysis power. Just the ability to
} } } overlay.
} } } WinView32 can do pseudo coloring of the images to emulate the Red
}
} and
}
} } } Green planes of the Zeiss.
} } }
} } } Thanks for your attention,
} } } Darrell
} } } IBM Microelectronics
}




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From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:11:17 +1200
Subject: Real EDS detection limits

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I heartily agree.

If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the software
says.

I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software from
consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for WDS, but
for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit detectability, it's the overlaps
and other spectral interferences.

Even if you do 10 replicate measurements and look at the stats of the
actual wt % results you're not getting the full story as precision is not the
same as accuracy.

However, the 2% figure is unnecessarily pessimistic and I find it difficult to
believe that it originated from an EDS detector manufacturer.

If anyone wishes to email me, I will send them the spectrum of volcanic
glass containing 0.36% Cl, obtained on my JEOL 840/PGT Prism/Moran
Scientific system in 130 seconds.

cheers

rtch



}
} Well, here are another numbers. I collected an EDS spectrum from 1010
} steel (Jeol/Kevex/tungsten, 20 kV, 30% dead time, 2 minutes), forced
} the software to account for Cl and Ar peaks and ran quantification.
} What I've got was 0.11at%Cl and 0.26at%Ar. I like the "trick" and use
} it once in a while to demonstrate my customers that if you don't see a
} peak then the EDS isn't the right technique for the analysis and some
} other methods should be used (like SIMS), particularly for light
} elements. Of cause, if you know the element is there then it's easier
} to "believe" the numbers.
}

} } }
} } } The EDS limit is around 2% and the accelerating voltage
} }



} } OK. To get real numbers from real system I just performed
} } test on XL30 with field emission gun at 15 kV, 40-45% dead time, 10
} } min acquisition time. I measured Cl peak from Au/Pd coated crystals
} } of table salt and background in Cl peak position on a stainless
} } steel razor blade. With ZAF correction detection limit was 0.09%.


--
Ritchie Sims Ph D Phone : 64 9 3737599
ext 87713
Microanalyst Fax : 64 9 3737435
Department of Geology email :
r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
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Private Bag 92019
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From: Diana van Driel :      dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:57:21 +1000
Subject: eye lens explant embedding - very thin specimen

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I want to embed a layer of epithelium growing on a lens explant. The
whole thing is only a thin collagenous matrix with a single layer of
cells on top, about 4mm in diameter. Rather fragile. Does anyone have
a suggestion as to the best way to keep this flat without losing it
or mashing it? It's currently sitting in fixative. The aim is to cut
sections perpendicular to the plane of growth.

Thanks, as always.


From daemon Mon Jun 23 08:19:56 2003



From: sfontouris-at-hotmail.com (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:05:54 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (sfontouris-at-hotmail.com) from http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Monday, June 23, 2003 at 08:00:10
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Email: sfontouris-at-hotmail.com
Name: Yannis Sfontouris

Organization: University of Nottingham

Education: Graduate College

Location: Nottingham, UK

Question: I would appreciate it very much if someone explained the differences between i)phase contrast, ii)bright field, iii) Normanski and iv) Hoffmann optics.
Many thanks in advance

Yannis

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From daemon Mon Jun 23 09:00:05 2003



From: Leona Cohen-Gould :      lcgould-at-med.cornell.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:42:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Help need for coverslips removal from EM blocks

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If you are EXTREMELY careful, and check with your Life Safety office
first, you can do what I do...I etch the glass away with HF. It is
extremely hazardous and you must be very careful about handling it,
etc., but it works beautifully. A couple of hours on a stir plate in
HF and all the glass is gone. You then retrieve the blocks (with
plastic forceps) and wash them like mad.
Lee
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Sr. Staff Associate
Director, Electron Microscopy Core Facility
Manager, Optical Microscopy Core Facility
Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College
of Cornell University
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From daemon Mon Jun 23 13:10:37 2003



From: David Wilbur :      david.wilbur-at-tufts.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:58:39 -0400
Subject: SEM available

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I have an old JEOL JXA-840 SEM, late 80s vintage in storage. I need to
clear out all storage areas to prepare for upcoming renovations to the
building. I am offering the SEM free to a good home. It was working
when it was replaced with a newer, donated JSM-840A about 2 years ago.
The old scope has occasionaly been used as a source of parts for
troubleshooting the newer scope. At this time all of the parts have
been returned, but it has not been powered up in two years. One module
in the newer scope (magnification power amp) had a hard failure and was
replaced with the module from the old scope. The power amp will
probably require repair or replacement by JEOL. The water chiller runs
too warm and needs a refrigerant recharge. There is no EDS or computer
image acquisition with the scope, as the one we had was transferred to
the newer scope.

Preference given to academic labs. If you want it, you need to make
arrangements for shipping, or pick it up in Medford, MA. Contact me
offline for further information.

Dave Wilbur

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From daemon Mon Jun 23 15:12:48 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:10:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:

} If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} software
} says.

} I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software from
} consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for WDS, but
} for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit detectability, it's the
} overlaps
} and other spectral interferences.
}
Dear Richie,
Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was looking
for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
confidence that the Cl peaks were also.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Mon Jun 23 16:12:00 2003



From: Rohit Bhargava :      rxb29-at-po.cwru.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:01:32 -0400
Subject: Image matching algorithm

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Hello:

We would like to match two images, ideally pixel-to-pixel, obtained from a
single sample under two different conditions. The sample may have changed a
little (small tears, streaks) between the acquisition of the two images and
the re-loading onto the microscope may change the orientation slightly. The
extent of differences is expected to be less than 10% of the total number of
pixels.

I'll be grateful if anyone could please suggest an algorithm we could use to
program these tasks. Commercial software that can accomplish this would also
be useful and pointers to those are welcome.

Thanks for your help,
Rohit


Rohit Bhargava
National Institutes of Health
Building 5, B1-38W
LCP/NIDDK
Bethesda, MD 20892-0520



From daemon Mon Jun 23 17:01:31 2003



From: Tobias Baskin :      Baskin-at-bio.umass.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:49:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field

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Greetings,
All microscopies involve a probe, a sample, and a detector.
They generate contrast by virtue of a specific interaction between
the probe and the sample. In the case of light microscopies, the
probe is light. The different types of microscopy you list differ in
the property of the sample used to generate contrast.

1) Brightfield would be much more usefully called 'absorption
contrast': Contrast is generated based on differences in absorption.
That is why it is good for stained samples, which absorb specfic
wavelengths strongly.

2) Phase contrast depends on the optical path through the sample
(refractive index times thickness). It is tricky for generating
contrast based on optical path differences and F. Zernike
(spelling??) got a Nobel prize for figuring out how.

3) Nomarski (also called differential interference contrast) depends
on the gradient of optical path in a sample (this was invented by
George Nomarski who should have gotten a Nobel prize for this work
too).

4) I am not sure about Hoffman.

You can find further details in any good book about microscopy.

Tobias Baskin



} Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was
} submitted by (sfontouris-at-hotmail.com) from
} http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Monday,
} June 23, 2003 at 08:00:10
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
}
} Email: sfontouris-at-hotmail.com
} Name: Yannis Sfontouris
}
} Organization: University of Nottingham
}
} Education: Graduate College
}
} Location: Nottingham, UK
}
} Question: I would appreciate it very much if someone explained the
} differences between i)phase contrast, ii)bright field, iii)
} Normanski and iv) Hoffmann optics.
} Many thanks in advance
}
} Yannis
}
} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From daemon Mon Jun 23 18:59:56 2003



From: qualityimages :      qualityimages-at-netrax.net
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:44:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field

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Please put the answer on the list server for those of us who have been
so immersed in EM of various types. I've always wanted a better
explanation than I got way back in high school.
Thanks
Ken Converse
owner
Quality Images
third party SEM service
Delta, PA

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From daemon Tue Jun 24 08:10:57 2003



From: pgan-at-ap.ansell.com (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:58:30 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: local agent for SEM service in Malaysia

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (pgan-at-ap.ansell.com) from http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 05:58:42
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Email: pgan-at-ap.ansell.com
Name: Phay Fang Gan

Organization: Ansell Shah Alam Sdn Bhd

Education: Graduate College

Location: Shah Alam,Selangor, Malaysia

Question: We are having a unit of Hitachi S3000N SEM in our lab.

It would be nice if anyone out there who can tell me where I could get local agent to provide Preventive Maintenance on our SEM in Malaysia.

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From daemon Tue Jun 24 08:25:42 2003



From: MicroscopyToday :      microtod-at-optonline.net
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:15:43 -0400
Subject: Image matching algorithm

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Rohit,

The article in Microscopy Today, May/June 2003 by O'Neil et al. appears to
be exactly what you want. Title: "Use of a New Imaging Technique to Document
Deformations Recorded in the ESEM."

I see that you have a subscription. The article is on page 36.

Ron Anderson, MT Editor

-----Original Message-----
} From: Rohit Bhargava [mailto:rxb29-at-po.cwru.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:02 PM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com




Hello:

We would like to match two images, ideally pixel-to-pixel, obtained from a
single sample under two different conditions. The sample may have changed a
little (small tears, streaks) between the acquisition of the two images and
the re-loading onto the microscope may change the orientation slightly. The
extent of differences is expected to be less than 10% of the total number of
pixels.

I'll be grateful if anyone could please suggest an algorithm we could use to
program these tasks. Commercial software that can accomplish this would also
be useful and pointers to those are welcome.

Thanks for your help,
Rohit


Rohit Bhargava
National Institutes of Health
Building 5, B1-38W
LCP/NIDDK
Bethesda, MD 20892-0520






From daemon Tue Jun 24 08:42:31 2003



From: diaspro :      diaspro-at-fisica.unige.it
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:33:21 +0200
Subject: Re: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field

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On Lunedì, giu 23, 2003, at 23:49 Europe/Rome, Tobias Baskin wrote:

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} Greetings,
} All microscopies involve a probe, a sample, and a detector. They
} generate contrast by virtue of a specific interaction between the
} probe and the sample. In the case of light microscopies, the probe is
} light. The different types of microscopy you list differ in the
} property of the sample used to generate contrast.
}
} 1) Brightfield would be much more usefully called 'absorption
} contrast': Contrast is generated based on differences in absorption.
} That is why it is good for stained samples, which absorb specfic
} wavelengths strongly.
}
} 2) Phase contrast depends on the optical path through the sample
} (refractive index times thickness). It is tricky for generating
} contrast based on optical path differences and F. Zernike (spelling??)
} got a Nobel prize for figuring out how.
}
} 3) Nomarski (also called differential interference contrast) depends
} on the gradient of optical path in a sample (this was invented by
} George Nomarski who should have gotten a Nobel prize for this work
} too).
}
} 4) I am not sure about Hoffman.
}
} You can find further details in any good book about microscopy.
}
} Tobias Baskin
}
}
}
} } Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was
} } submitted by (sfontouris-at-hotmail.com) from
} } http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Monday, June
} } 23, 2003 at 08:00:10
} } ----------------------------------------------------------------------
} } -----
} }
} } Email: sfontouris-at-hotmail.com
} } Name: Yannis Sfontouris
} }
} } Organization: University of Nottingham
} }
} } Education: Graduate College
} }
} } Location: Nottingham, UK
} }
} } Question: I would appreciate it very much if someone explained the
} } differences between i)phase contrast, ii)bright field, iii) Normanski
} } and iv) Hoffmann optics.
} } Many thanks in advance
} }
} } Yannis
} }
} } ----------------------------------------------------------------------
} } -----
}
}
} --
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} Department
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} Massachusetts
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From daemon Tue Jun 24 08:55:28 2003



From: Marilena Re :      marilena.re-at-brindisi.enea.it
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:46:03 +0200
Subject: TEM preparation

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Dear colleagues,
in our lab of Electron Microscopy, we have an "Ultramicrotomy TOP 170
Pabish". Until nobody has used it, but we want to try preparation for TEM
observations with it. Unfortunately we have lost its manual, please could
anybody with the same equipment help us and send us a copy of the manual. My
e-mail is marilena.re-at-brindisi.enea.it Thanks in advance
Marilena Re

Our address is:
ENEA C.R. Brindisi - Lab. of Electron Microscopy
S.S. 7 - Appia km 712,700
72100 Brindisi - Italy



From daemon Tue Jun 24 09:20:06 2003



From: Paula Allan-Wojtas :      AllanWojtasP-at-agr.gc.ca
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:09:29 -0400
Subject: field cancellation and shielding for EM room

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Hi, all,

I have just received the good news that I have been approved for new SEM equipment to replace our old SEM. The new SEM
will go in the room where the old SEM is now.

We have had problems with stray fields in the past and would like to remedy this situation before installation of the
new SEM.

The 2 solutions to deal with the stray fields problem, of which I am aware, are either a field cancellation device or
room shielding.

I need to determine the cost of eliminating the stray fields from the room and submit it to Management within the next
day or so.

Could any companies which deal with either field cancellation devices or room sheilding materials please contact me
offline as soon as possible?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Paula.





Paula M. Allan-Wojtas
Research Scientist - Food Microstructure / Chercheur scientique - microstructure des aliments
Food Safety and Quality Team / Salubrité et qualité des aliments
Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada /Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada
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From daemon Tue Jun 24 09:30:33 2003



From: Barbara Foster :      bfoster-at-mme1.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:24:28 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field

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} } To: by way of Ask-A-Microscopist {sfontouris-at-hotmail.com} ,
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} } Dear Yannis,
} }
} } This question is extremely complicated to answer quickly, but here are
} } several guidelines.
} }
} } Brightfield is the type of imaging you create when you align the
} } microscope by setting up what is called Koehler illumination. For an
} } object to be visible in brightfield, it has to present either signficant
} } color and/or intensity difference from the background. Many objects in
} } both biological and materials science do not possess either
} } characteristic and,as a result, are not very visible against the
} } background. That is to say, they "lack contrast".
} }
} } The other three techniques, Phase, Hoffman Modulation, and Nomarski, are
} } all contrast enhancement techniques. Phase is used to enhance the body
} } of a material while Hoffman and Nomarski detect gradients or
} } slopes. Objects which respond well to Phase appear as darker against a
} } soft gray background. Objects which respond well to HMC and Nomarski
} } (aka Differential Interference Contrast or DIC), will appear three-dimensional.
} }
} } Each technique has special components engineered into the microscope to
} } carefully control the interaction of the light and matter. A full
} } discussion of all four techniques is well beyond the scope of the
} } listserver. I would recommend the following:
} }
} } Both the Nikon and Olympus sites have great educational resources. I
} } would start there.
} }
} } Alternatively, I would suggest that you get a copy of my book,
} } "Optimizing Light Microscopy". It has detailed discussions of these
} } topics as well as pictures of one, standard sample (cheek cells)
} } in about 7 different contrast techniques, along with simple line
} } drawings and instructions for setting up the microscope for each. There
} } are also simple experiments so that you can try each at your own
} } microscope. Details are on our website (www.MicroscopyEducation.com)
} }
} } Also, I would be remiss, as a long-time Fellow of the Royal Microscopical
} } Society, not to mention their summer courses which, if memory serves, are
} } coming up in July. They also publish a set of monographs which you would
} } find helpful.
} }
} }
} } Finally, I may have the manuscripts of some course notes back in the
} } office. I will be back there later this week and, if you contact me
} } directly, I will see what is available. There will not be as many
} } pictures (I typically show 35mm slides to bring home that point), but at
} } least you would get some of the diagrams and a simple explanation of the
} } theory.
} }
} } Good hunting!
} }
} } Best regards,
} } Barbara Foster
} } Microscopy/Microscopy Education
} }
} }
} }
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} } Sent: 06/23/03 08:05 AM
} } To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} } Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: phase contrast vs bright field
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From daemon Tue Jun 24 10:16:18 2003



From: Joel Sheffield :      jbs-at-temple.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:06:59 -0400
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Here's my quick and dirty attempt to work through this.

First, all three contrast systems are based on the phenomenon that
light can interact with regions of different refractive index by (a)
slowing down, and (b) changing its path. (Some of the people I
have talked to suggest that the change in path is really a diffraction
effect, rather than refraction. Maybe theyre actually the same
phenom.)

The three microscope systems you mention take advantage of this
in different ways. All, however, have to face the challenge of how to
distinguish the altered light from the wash of unaffected light -the
background.

This is accomplished by constricting the illumination. For phase
contrast, a hollow cone of light is projected through the sample onto
a ring in the objective lens. For Hoffman, a narrow beam is
projected through the sample obliquely to a small region on the side
of the objective lens. For Nomarski, the system is a bit more
complex. The illuminating system is set up between crossed
polarizers, so that no undeviated light should get through at the end.
The light passes through the first polarizer, and then through a
special prism system (Wollaston) that splits the light into two beams
whose vibrations are perpendicular. This pair of beams passes
through the sample.

Now, what happens in the sample? I am referring only to the light
that interacts, not the background. In the phase contrast system,
the light is bent out of the path of the background light, and ends up
passing through a different part of the ring in the objective. For
Hoffman, the light is again bent to a different part of the Hoffman
plate in the objective. In Nomarski, if (and this is critical) the two
beams interact differently, they end up out of phase with each other.

As we follow the light up in the microscope, we reach the back focal
plane of the objective lens. This is where the Phase and Hoffman
systems do their dirty work. In the phase contrast system, there is a
phase plate to which the cone of light is projected. Remember that
the background light is projected to the ring itself. The light from the
sample will be bent away from this ring, and elsewhere on this plate.
Ziernike realized that not only was the light bent, but it had been
slowed down so that it was 1/4 wavelength delayed compared to the
background. He reasoned that if that difference could be expanded
to 1/2 a wavelength, the light from the two sources could be made
to interfere destructively --i.e. cancel each other out, and one would
see a dark region--this would emphaize contrast.

In the Hoffman system, the deviated light passes through a region
that is different in transmission from the plate to which most of the
light is projected. As a result, it appears bright, compared to the
background.

For Nomarski, the two perpendicular beams passs through a
second Wollaston prism, which serves to reunite them. However, if
one of the two beams is shifted in phase compared to the other, the
resulting beam has an altered polarization, and passes through the
final polarizer, while the background does not. --or vice versa,
depending on how the system is set up.

The result of all three systemss is that one obtains contrast from
refractive index differences within a sample. The consequence is
that stains are not necessary, and details of living cells can be
visualized.

You can get much more detail, with beautiful illustrations and
animations at the microscopy web site:

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu Look for the "primer" section.

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From daemon Tue Jun 24 10:28:47 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:16:15 -0600
Subject: Image matching algorithm

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Sir,

the easiest way to match two similar images would be to use a cross
correlation between the two images. It uses Fourier algorithms to come up
with a "most likely" match of the two images by allowing a shift in X and Y
(typically no rotation).

In your case it might already be sufficient. In case the images need to
further adjusted manually, I would suggest looking at fluorescence software.
Many of the available programs allow to shift two or more images against
each other manually to compensate for small shifts between acquisition of
the various fluorescence channels.

If you want further information how our analySIS software does this, or if
you want to send me a couple of images for testing, please contact me
off-line.

Thanks.

mike


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To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com




Hello:

We would like to match two images, ideally pixel-to-pixel, obtained from a
single sample under two different conditions. The sample may have changed a
little (small tears, streaks) between the acquisition of the two images and
the re-loading onto the microscope may change the orientation slightly. The
extent of differences is expected to be less than 10% of the total number of
pixels.

I'll be grateful if anyone could please suggest an algorithm we could use to
program these tasks. Commercial software that can accomplish this would also
be useful and pointers to those are welcome.

Thanks for your help,
Rohit


Rohit Bhargava
National Institutes of Health
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LCP/NIDDK
Bethesda, MD 20892-0520



From daemon Tue Jun 24 10:30:07 2003



From: David Elliott Ph.D. :      David.Elliott-at-yale.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:19:56 -0400
Subject: phase, bright field, Nomarski and Hoffmann

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Below are some rather useful resources when trying to get some light
microscopy answers. Here are some short answers from me (please
understand the complexity of these systems, these are VERY abbreviated
answers);

There are three basic ways that light interacts with non fluorescent
samples. They are;
1) absorption of light
2) phase shift of light
3) diffraction of light

Only the first can be seen by the eye. There are different modes of
microscopy that permit us to take advantage of 2 and 3.

i) When light passes through something with a different optical
density, the phase of the light is changed. (More dense samples will
slow the light down more). The human eye can not see these changes in
phase. In a phase contrast system, these changes in phase are changed
into changes in brightness (contrast), which the eye can see. The
image then becomes a gray scale image where the differences in
intensity are representations in the differences in the optical density
of the sample. This is done with a phase ring (in the objective) and a
phase annulus (in the condenser). This system is lower resolution than
bright field, but permits viewing samples that absorb almost no light
(such as living cells).
ii) Bright field is the most common way to look at a sample slide. The
information is generated by differences in the absorption of light.
This is seen as color and darkness. This is normally used for samples
that have great differences in the amount of light absorbed (non
biological samples) or samples that have been stained. Bright field
also takes advantage of diffracted light. The condenser focuses light
on the sample in such a way that the light diffracted by the sample is
focused by the objective. This diffracted information dramatically
increases the resolution of the system. A stained cell preparation on
a slide would be a standard biological sample.
iii) Nomarski (or DIC for Differential Interference Contrast
microscopy) is a method that used differences in optical density to
create differences in brightness. Phase contrast shows the observer
the absolute optical density of the sample. DIC shows the local
CHANGES in optical density. This is done by an optical system that
employs two closely spaced beams of light that start in phase with each
other. They then pass through the sample close to each other. The
beams are then recombined in such a way that any differences in the
optical path is seen as a difference in intensity. This is
accomplished with polarized light and a pair of prisms that split the
light before the sample and recombine the light after the sample.
iv) Hoffmann will give results like DIC but is cheeper to implement and
can be used to image through plastic. It is lower resolution (I assume
that this will be argued by the company reps. that sell the system :-)
but has made great strides recently.

I recommend the book "Fundamentals of Light Microscopy and Electronic
imaging" by Doug Murphy. This is a great book that starts from simple
principals and goes into great depth in all of these questions and
more. If running a class, this should be the text. It is available on
Amazon. I have no financial interest in the book or the publisher, I
just think it is the best.

These sites are good also.

http://www.microscopyu.com/
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/index.html

David


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} Yannis
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From daemon Tue Jun 24 12:02:10 2003



From: Xinran Liu :      xinran.liu-at-utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:02:33 -0500
Subject: RE: Coverslips removal. Thanks and Summary

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I would like to thank those of you who kindly shared the experience
regarding removing coverslips off EM blocks.

Since some of you are also interested in this issue, here I post the
following summary of the responses.

1. Use chemicals, such as: hydrofluoric acid or hydrogen fluoride, the
potential problem is that it may also cause damage to the cell or remove
osmium, and they are hazardous.

2. Play with a hot plate instead of liquid nitrogen.

3. Use a jeweler's saw to carefully remove glass coverslips.

4. This method maybe is the cleanest way to get rid of the glass off
blocks. I have tried myself and it worked quite well. Polymerize the
coverslips with a glass slide together and place on a hotplate or dip
into liquid nitrogen. The coverslip will come off with glass slide and
leave the cells on the top of the blocks.

We are doing this type of things on a routine basis, so if someone needs
more information, please let me know.

Xinran

Xinran Liu, M.D., Ph.D.
Center for Basic Neuroscience
UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
Phone: 214-648-1830
Fax: 214-648-1801
E-mail: xinran.liu-at-utsouthwestern.edu





From daemon Tue Jun 24 12:59:03 2003



From: Beauregard, Paul A. :      pabeauregard-at-ppg.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:48:54 -0400
Subject: Iridium and Tungsten Hi-Res Sputter Coater Question.

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Hi,

Does anyone on the list have possession of a Cressington 208HR or Emitech K575X high resolution sputter coater for FEG-SEM with a working IRIDIUM target?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Paul Beauregard
PPG Industries
Senior Research Associate
Monroeville Technical Center
440 College Park Drive
Monroeville, PA 15146








From daemon Tue Jun 24 15:59:59 2003



From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:49:29 +1200
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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Yes.

I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.

My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a realistic
estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
escape peaks can play a large part.

Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?

Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by 'detection
limit'.

It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of 'quantitative'
results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!

cheers

rtch



} Dear Richie,
} Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} looking
} for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
}

}
}
} On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
}
} } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } software says.
}
} } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} }


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From daemon Tue Jun 24 16:35:09 2003



From: Debby Sherman :      dsherman-at-purdue.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:25:49 -0500
Subject: Digital Camera software

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Hi all,
I have an investigator whose lab is in another building, making it
inconvenient for them to come over to use our light microscopes routinely.
They have an older Zeiss fluorescent microscope and a Coolpix 900 digital
camera that they want to set up to quick-check samples. Do you know of any
software that would let them preview the images on a computer screen and
capture directly to the computer? Using the small camera view screen is not
nearly as desirable an option.

Another, probably more expensive option, would be to purchase a new
camera. Please let me know if anyone has a camera option for under $2000.
Remember that this is for screening only and is not intended to replace the
more sophisticated microscope-camera systems available.

Thanks in advance,
Debby

Debby Sherman, Manager Phone: 765-494-6666
Life Science Microscopy Facility FAX: 765-494-5896
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From daemon Tue Jun 24 18:54:16 2003



From: nmorehouse-at-asu.edu (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:40:28 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: measuring 100-150 nm features via SEM

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Name: Nathan Morehouse

Organization: Arizona State University

Education: Graduate College

Location: Tempe, AZ

Question: Hi! I'm looking to measure 100-150 nm features (microstructures on the surface of butterfly wing scales) in a low Z number matrix using a secondary electron signal on a JEOL 840A SEM (LaB 6). The specimens are dehydrated but not fixed. Any suggestions on specimen prep and/or techniques for conducting spatial measurements?

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From daemon Tue Jun 24 20:52:08 2003



From: emlad :      emlad-at-hn.vnn.vn
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:41:19 +0700
Subject: New date for ASEAN Microscopy Conference

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Dear Colleagues,
The Organizing Committee has the honor to announce that:

1. The 4th ASEAN Microscopy Conference and The 3rd
Vietnam Conference on Electron Microscopy will be continuously held in Hanoi
on 05-06 January 2004.

2. The deadline for article submission will be on 30
August 2003.

3. The submitted and approved articles will be put in
the Proceedings of the Conference.

Chairman of the Organizing Committee

Nguyen Van Man M.D., D.M.Sc

If you need more informations, please contact at:
Assoc. Prof Nguyen Kim Giao
Electron Microscopy Unit
National Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology
1- Yersin Str - HaiBaTrung Distr - HaNoi-VietNam
Tel: 84.4.9715434
Fax: 84.4.8210853
Email: emlad-at-hn.vnn.vn
or emunihe-at-vol.vnn.vn



From daemon Tue Jun 24 22:42:11 2003



From: David Henriks :      henriks-at-southbaytech.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:31:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Iridium and Tungsten Hi-Res Sputter Coater Question.

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Paul:

We do not have either of those instruments, but we routinely sputter iridium with our IBS/e system. Is there something we can do to help or perhaps refer
you to one of our customers for some assistance?

Please let me know.

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Best regards-

David

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} Thanks in advance for any help.
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From daemon Wed Jun 25 06:53:06 2003



From: Frank Eggert :      Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:37:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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Dear all,

you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not only from
statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher values are peak
overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up, diffraction peaks
..).

But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise (peak to
background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is well
defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most cases).
The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited characteristic lines
depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and critical
excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 { Z { 30 it
can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection limits
(mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The probability of
Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of specimen. The
detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy matrix (it
can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units) for iron
is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not in Pb.

You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves, which can
give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about 'best case'
detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:

http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml

.. hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)


Frank Eggert




Ritchie Sims wrote:

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} Yes.
}
} I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
} estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
}
} My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a realistic
} estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
} don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} escape peaks can play a large part.
}
} Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
}
} Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by 'detection
} limit'.
}
} It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of 'quantitative'
} results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
} } Dear Richie,
} } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } looking
} } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} }
}
} }
} }
} } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} }
} } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } software says.
} }
} } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } }
}
} --
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} ext 87713
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} Department of Geology email :
} r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
} The University of Auckland
} Private Bag 92019
} Auckland
} New Zealand



From daemon Wed Jun 25 07:40:07 2003



From: AtcSEM :      atcsem-at-sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:35:14 -0400
Subject: WDS IEEE1394 comunication problem

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Dear Listers,

Couple of days ago we had received an error message on my INCA Wave 1394
"Error 308";
"Failed to write Pha Threshold GSR location 7B8"; "Failed to create object
FwMipConnector.Comm Settings"

I have checked Fire Wire devices and they work properly. The reset button on
the INCA Wave box sends signal to the WDS detector and it seems to operate
properly.
Is there any suggestions how to fix it? Did any body have had the same
problems?

Your help is very appreciated!
Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com



From daemon Wed Jun 25 08:53:20 2003



From: David Vowles :      djv23-at-msm.cam.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:40:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: Noran Voyager problem

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We have had a consistent problem on our two Noran Voyager x-ray
analysis systems. Often when users attempt to start an x-ray linescan or
x-ray map in Voyager, the Voyager hardware begins to take control of the
SEM scan, then aborts. The error message (from Voyager console) suggests
that the software thinks that some other process is already operating. I
have checked with the users and been through this several times myself,
making sure that no other functions are operating. Someone suggested that
there may be some Voyager command which can be invoked from the console
to kill any other processes. Unfortunately, Noran have not been able to
provide any answers to the problem, so our frustration continues.
Has any Voyager user out there had any similar problems, or could offer
constructive advice?

David Vowles
Electron Microscope Unit
Dept of Materials Science and Metallurgy
University of Cambridge
Pembroke St Cambridge
UK CB2 3QZ
Tel: +44 1223 334325
Fax: +44 1223 334567
Email: djv23-at-cam.ac.uk



From daemon Wed Jun 25 09:22:28 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:13:09 -0500
Subject: RE: Real EDS detection limits

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}
} Yes.
}
} I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or
} precision
} estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
}
} My point is that while statistical considerations may well
} give a realistic
} estimate of the precision of determination of higher
} concentrations, they
} don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} escape peaks can play a large part.
}
} Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?

Your estimate was 0.1%. How far is it from 0.09%?

Vladimir


From daemon Wed Jun 25 09:53:10 2003



From: pia-at-drikkerformye.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:52:39 -1100
Subject: Nurse Report-Feel and look younger Sswegv

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From: P. Geil :      geil-at-uiuc.edu
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We have just purchased a Canon Powershot G5 that lets us preview and
focus the image on the computer monitor and save directly to the
computer. It is 5 Mp at a cost of ca. $750, including cables, AC
adapter, etc. The G3 will do the same (4 Mp) at { $550. You still
need an adapter to mount on the scope (which we are waiting for). The
preview image on my 20 " monitor is ca. 3 x 4 inches and I can't
(yet) find a way to enlarge until I record it. The image is quickly
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From: Tom Phillips :      phillipst-at-missouri.edu
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Subject: epson 2200?

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I am thinking about buying an Epson 2200 ink jet printer for printing
hardcopies of my digital microscopy images. I am aware of the great
reviews this $600 printer gets for printing on high end photographic type
paper. But I will also want to print images on "regular" paper, e.g., when
I embed them within a grant application. Can anyone comment on this
usage? Thanks, Tom

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From: Angela Welford :      awelford-at-salud.unm.edu
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:04:08 -0600
Subject: Re: eye lens explant embedding - very thin specimen

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Diana,

I used to work with epithelial cells grown on collagen mats. For
processing for EM, we would actually pin the sample down to a piece of
dental wax. I would carry out fixation through infiltration of the
specimen with drops placed onto the tissue (in a fume hood). To embed,
I would cut the piece into strips and flat embed, collagen down, in
order to get sections across cells & collagen.

Hope this helps? Good luck!
Angela Welford
awelford-at-salud.unm.edu

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From daemon Wed Jun 25 16:31:52 2003



From: Martin Ramirez :      ramirez-at-amnh.org
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:22:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Image matching algorithm

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CombineZ (freeware, see
http://www.hadleyweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CombineZ/combinez.htm) works with
displacements and magnification, but not with rotation.

Somebody know anything about the announcement: "CombineZ4 will shortly be
available from Microscopy-UK?

Martin

Martín J. Ramírez
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Argentina
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fax +54 11 4982-4494



From daemon Wed Jun 25 16:34:12 2003



From: Rohit Bhargava :      rxb29-at-po.cwru.edu
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:25:53 -0400
Subject: Image Matching Algorithm

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Thanks to the many people who responded to a request for information on
image matching on the list and off it as well. While I appreciate the many
references to commercial software, if possible we would really like to
program it into our own lab software to integrate with instrumentation built
in-house.

For those who may be curious: The best solution appears to be two separate
procedures. One is to use coarse resolution edges to find the correct
rotation angle and then a regression to match pixel for pixel by optimizing
over only the better fit pixels (rejecting 10-20%) to account for artifacts.
This would also identify "hot" pixels where some change may have occured. I
must stress that this procedure suits us because we know what
changes/artifacts are likely to result, is somewhat limited in the range of
problems that can be handled and may not be an optimal approach for all
cases.

Thanks,

Rohit

Rohit Bhargava
National Institutes of Health
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From daemon Wed Jun 25 20:48:41 2003



From: Greg :      comotion-at-mail.warwick.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:34:53 -0400
Subject: buffers and Fix

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can anyone shed some light on concerns when going from phosphate buffer to
cacodylate buffer?

Does anyone routinely use McDowells/Trump fix for LM/EM
any comment on this fix, is there a better dual purpose Fix?

Gregory Argentieri
Electron Microscopy lab
gregory.argentieri-at-pharma.novartis.com




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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8rensen_Henning_Sund?= :      Henning.S-at-danfoss.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:24:09 +0200
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Hi David

We use Noran Voyager 3 and I can only say that I know the problem much too
well. We commonly experience exactly the same error when we want to start a
linescan or an x-ray map.
I know that there are other users here in Denmark who have the same
experience.
Norans advice to us is to shut down the system and start up again - this
works, but it is rather frustrating and time consuming in the long run.

I, too, shall be very interested if anybody have found a solution to the
problem.

Yours sincerely
Henning Sund Sørensen
Materials and Process Consultant

Danfoss A/S
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-----Original Message-----
} From: David Vowles [mailto:djv23-at-msm.cam.ac.uk]
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To: Microscopy Listserver


We have had a consistent problem on our two Noran Voyager x-ray
analysis systems. Often when users attempt to start an x-ray linescan or
x-ray map in Voyager, the Voyager hardware begins to take control of the
SEM scan, then aborts. The error message (from Voyager console) suggests
that the software thinks that some other process is already operating. I
have checked with the users and been through this several times myself,
making sure that no other functions are operating. Someone suggested that
there may be some Voyager command which can be invoked from the console
to kill any other processes. Unfortunately, Noran have not been able to
provide any answers to the problem, so our frustration continues.
Has any Voyager user out there had any similar problems, or could offer
constructive advice?

David Vowles
Electron Microscope Unit
Dept of Materials Science and Metallurgy
University of Cambridge
Pembroke St Cambridge
UK CB2 3QZ
Tel: +44 1223 334325
Fax: +44 1223 334567
Email: djv23-at-cam.ac.uk



From daemon Thu Jun 26 04:11:31 2003



From: Arthur Day :      ard-at-ansto.gov.au
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:01:01 +1000
Subject: RE: Noran Voyager problem

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Hi,

We have two Noran Voyagers here. Both of them Voyager 4 systems,
running version 4.3.1 of the software on 170MHz Sparc V machines.
(Well ok so it sounded impressive years ago.) We also encounter this
problem occasionally. In regard to Henning's message the problem may
be worse in earlier versions of the Voyager software/hardware
combinations than later versions, since we definitely saw an
improvement in the overall stability and usability of our systems
when we upgraded ours from Voyager 3 to 4. That said, that
improvement definitely didn't come without some hassles at the time
though, including the problems you describe.

The immediate cause does sound like an "orphaned" process -- if
that's the right terminology? The orphaned process is possibly
actually running on the other CPU down inside the main box of stuff
under the table and not on the main workstation. If some process
still has control of the hardware down there as a result of some
previous problem then attempting to start a new map or line profile
etc will fail because it is already under the spell of the previous
copy of the process still running (I think). If this is the case the
problem won't go away if you just reboot the workstation alone, even
if you do a completely cold re-boot of the workstation alone, because
the offending thing is still alive in another part of the creature's
body. As Noran suggests the cleanest solution is to do a proper
"power off" shutdown of the workstation and then kill the power to
the entire system -- unit under the table included -- wait at least
30 seconds -- then turn the power back on again to the entire system.
If it is "only" a software problem then that is all it should take to
make the problem go away.

The next question is that even if this fixes the problem in the short
term, does it then come back with such frequency that it makes the
system useless? In our experience the problem you describe could
arise for example if the Image Display program crashes for some
reason before an acquisition has been completed. I now recall (after
sending a message to David earlier) that we used to encounter this
situation if we cranked up the beam current too high when setting up
do X-ray maps. When the X-ray count rates were too high it would
crash the acquisition, leading to the situation that you describe. We
worked around this by training our users and inserting alerttool
dialog boxes to remind users not to exceed a certain count rate.
(Your experiences re actual maximum count rates may differ however).

Also, if the Image Display program gets forced to quit without
exiting the acquisition properly for other reasons as well, then the
process(es) operating in the background in the unit under the table,
that are actually controlling the SEM, won't necessarily be in a
position to know when to cease execution and let go. It/they'll keep
on running. If you then just re-launch new copies of the Image
Display program -- even after starting a new session, or even from a
cold re-boot of just the workstation alone, you still won't be able
to do an acquisition. You are left with the Noran "solution" of
complete shutdown and restart.

These systems behave like chickens with their heads cut off sometimes
-- or maybe a better analogy is like dinosaurs with two brains. If
the problem is occurring with such frequency that it is rendering the
system unusable then maybe you have a hardware fault, or maybe it is
just one of your users trying to screw too many counts out of it or
shutting down the software/their session in an "incorrect" manner.

First thing I'd try after the restart is to see if it all works fine
with no beam/no X-rays in the detector. So, with no beam, start an
X-ray map acquisition then stop it via the software and see if you
can start another one with no hassles. If so, launch the PHA Status
program and perhaps also select the HIGH2 count rate (analog pp
system) or fastest "rate file" (digital pp) under the pulse processor
setup dialogue, and watch the "detects" count rate. Keep cranking up
the beam current, attempting to cleanly start, stop, and start a new
map or line scan at each count rate. See if you can reach a count
rate where it falls over and you have to restart the entire system to
get it to work again. See if not exceeding this count rate for a
while then stops a recurrence -- although we found that pushing the
maximum a little too close for comfort still caused a crash part way
through a map so we backed it off even further. In the end you still
should be able to get high enough count rates to make mapping and
line scans practical if there are no actual hardware problems.

Hope this helps. We are basically still very happy with our Voyager 4
systems - now - and they work extremely well but they are
idiosyncratic. We still get the sort of problem you describe 3 or 4
times a year.

Cheers,
Arthur.


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From: Pernilla Nevsten :      Pernilla.Nevsten-at-materialkemi.lth.se
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:00:20 +0200
Subject: immunolabeling - use of NDS

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Dear Microscopy Listserver members,

I found NDS in a recipe for immunolabeling and I wonder what the
function of this substance is.
Is it used for pre incubation just like BSA? If so, does anyone have any
guidelines for which one to choose?

Sincerely,
Pernilla Nevsten


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From daemon Thu Jun 26 06:25:57 2003



From: rcmoretz-at-att.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:15:26 +0000
Subject: Re: buffers and Fix

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Greg:

We are using the McDowell/Trump fix at the moment for both LM/EM--and in fact
for all of our current EM projects. It is a good compromise, giving very good
fixation for LM and adequate to good fixation to TEM. For immersion fixation
for EM, it may be one of the best. I have used similar formulations using
freshly made paraformaldehyde instead of formalin with (I believe--note the
faitrh thing here--I have no quantitative data) improved ultrastructural
preservation as compared to the McDowell/Trump formulation. I also prefer
using cacodylate buffer, since my experience has been with uranyl precipitate
following use of phosphate buffers--even after extensive changes into Tris
prior to en bloc staining or grid staining. I have also used PIPES buffer
instead of cacodylate or phosphate with excellent results.

The McDowell/Trump fixative was designed to permit storage of tissues in the
fixative over long time periods. I can't speak to the efficacy of that, since
we routinely embed all of our samples.

Roger Moretz, Ph.D.
Dept of Toxicology
BI Pharmaceuticals
Ridgefield, CT

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} Does anyone routinely use McDowells/Trump fix for LM/EM
} any comment on this fix, is there a better dual purpose Fix?
}
} Gregory Argentieri
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 08:37:13 2003



From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) :      ptomic-at-agere.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:25:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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Folks;

Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is there
general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly proportional
to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a surface
whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking radiation can
happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron down the
EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed down by
it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it must
release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung radiation,
yes?


Peter Tomic
Agere Systems
Allentown, PA

-----Original Message-----
} From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
To: Ritchie Sims
Cc: Bill Tivol; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Dear all,

you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not only
from
statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher values are
peak
overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up, diffraction
peaks
.).

But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise (peak
to
background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is
well
defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most
cases).
The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited characteristic
lines
depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and
critical
excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 { Z { 30
it
can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection
limits
(mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The
probability of
Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of specimen.
The
detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy matrix
(it
can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units)
for iron
is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not in Pb.

You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves, which
can
give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about 'best
case'
detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:

http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml

. hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)


Frank Eggert




Ritchie Sims wrote:

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} I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
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realistic
} estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
} don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} escape peaks can play a large part.
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} Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
}
} Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by
'detection
} limit'.
}
} It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of
'quantitative'
} results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
} } Dear Richie,
} } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } looking
} } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} }
}
} }
} }
} } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} }
} } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } software says.
} }
} } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } }
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 09:38:56 2003



From: Hendrik O. Colijn :      colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:28:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Peter,

Surface charge becomes irrelevant in the creation of brehmstrahlung since
the final energy of the electron winds up being zero. Whether it
decelerates before the sample or within it, you will decelerate the same
amount and so create the same brehmstrahlung. It is a characteristic of
the acceleration of the electron. Synchrotron radiation can be considered
to be a special case of brehmstrahlung where the acceleration of the
electron is perpendicular to its trajectory.

That said... Surface charge WILL affect your spectrum, since the electron
within the sample is at a lower energy.

Cheers,
Henk Colijn

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From daemon Thu Jun 26 11:48:26 2003



From: Fred.Hayes-at-colaik.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:42:10 -0400
Subject: analyzing plateout material

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Dear Listserver,

We have a plateout issue in one of our manufacturing facilities, on a
Nickle plated tool used for making PVC cast skins (slush molding).
Initially this material is not visible but after many casts, the plateout
shows up on the surface of the Nickle shell tool. Not sure how thick it
is. We need to ID the material. We suspect it is an organic layer coming
from the PVC material, probably the internal mold release which is an
organic ester. we also suspect the mold release to be a carrier for the
plasticizer, also an organic ester, both of which we suspect migrating to
the surface and plating out. But, we need to confirm it.

I remember years ago using a blue tape replicating technique to transfer
surface features from hard substrates for TEM. I am wondering if such a
method might work for FTIR/XPS, etc. The tool is sometiimes cleand with
THF, Acetones, and in one plant, HCL.. It is fairly robust.

I am looking for a way to remove this plateout material without scraping
the tool surface, perhaps using a tape/stick/peel method.

All suggestions appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Fred Hayes
Collins & Aikman Corp
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 12:36:28 2003



From: Vladislav Speransky :      Vladislav_Speransky-at-nih.gov
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:21:31 -0400
Subject: Re: buffers

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Toxicity is the #1 concern. Otherwise, cacodylate seems to have a slight
edge in that it (1) precipitates much less with UA, and (2) is more
extractive, which often means a better view.

Vlad
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 13:14:25 2003



From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) :      ptomic-at-agere.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:56:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Henk;

When an electron is slowed on it's approach to the target, where does that energy go? If I were able to instantaneously stop an electron in flight, would it not expend it's entire incident energy as photon radiation? And would that not be "braking radiation?"

Thanks,

Peter

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From daemon Thu Jun 26 14:31:15 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:29:52 -0700
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 06:25 AM, Tomic, Peter (Peter) wrote:

} Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is
} there
} general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly
} proportional
} to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
} charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a
} surface
} whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking
} radiation can
} happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron
} down the
} EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed
} down by
} it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it
} must
} release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung
} radiation,
} yes?
}
Dear Peter,
Bremsstrahlung is not proportional to the charge--surface or bulk--on
the sample. It can, be produced by neutral atoms and is proportional
to a power of Z. (I don't have my reference material with me, but I
think it is Z^2.) Since both energy and momentum must be conserved,
bremsstrahlung must involve another particle besides the electron and
photon, so it cannot be generated in a perfect vacuum; however, in
addition to being generated in solids, bremsstrahlung can be generated
in gasses, so, if the electron happens to pass near enough to a
residual atom as it travels down the EM column, bremsstrahlung can be
produced (extremely rarely). In addition to bremsstrahlung, there are
several energy-loss processes that do not involve photon production,
such as ionization, excitation, plasmon production, etc., so when
electrons are slowed down, most of the energy released is not in the
form of photons.
Yours,
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 14:42:18 2003



From: Richard Edelmann :      edelmare-at-muohio.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:33:45 -0400
Subject: Re: epson 2200?

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Tom:

We've been using Epsons for several years now. And as with ALL ink jet
printers paper type/quality is absolutely key to the quality of the image. The
images on "regular" paper - well diagrams, line drawings, gels, charts and
grafts are fine, but microscopy images just loose too much they're dull and
have poor resolution. You are much better off going to epson photo quality
ink jet paper - costs a little more than "regular paper" (I think we're paying ~
$0.08 sheet) but far less than the "Photo Glossy" media.

You're going to find the same problems with any other ink jet printer as
well. I suggest you go down to your local computer store or electronics store,
and get them to print you out and example on "regular" paper and see what
you think. (For Grey scale images in grants we use our Lexmark laser printer
and are very very happy with them).


}
} I am thinking about buying an Epson 2200 ink jet printer for printing
} hardcopies of my digital microscopy images. I am aware of the great
} reviews this $600 printer gets for printing on high end photographic type
} paper. But I will also want to print images on "regular" paper, e.g., when I
} embed them within a grant application. Can anyone comment on this usage?
} Thanks, Tom
}
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 15:54:13 2003



From: Jim Quinn :      jquinn-at-www.matscieng.sunysb.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:40:33 -0400
Subject: osmium staining of latex 20nm-spheres

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Anyone (but not too many) -

Can someone give me the recipe for osmium staining
of latex 20nm-spheres for contrast enhancement in a TEM?

The microspheres that we are looking at are described as "carboxylate modified
polystyrene latex". Therefore their surface should be full of carboxylate
groups and be negatively charged.

I do not need the "safety warning".

thanks and regards,

JQuinn




From daemon Thu Jun 26 16:40:42 2003



From: Jan Leunissen :      leunissen-at-aurion.nl
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:30:21 +1200
Subject: Re: immunolabeling - use of NDS

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Hi,

I would assume that NDS stands for Normal Donkey Serum and is used as a
background suppressor in the blocking and/or incubation steps when
using donkey secondary immunoconjugates.
Basically, you will need something like BSA or Normal Serum (same
species as in the secondary immunostep) to block sticky areas in your
specimen during blocking on the one hand and on the other to compete
with immunoconjugates for aspecific binding during the labeling step.
NDS is what you might use with Donkey immunoconjugates. Which one is
better? That probably depends on the situation. I would think BSA is
most widely used, which is an indication of its suitability to a
certain degree.
Sometimes such compounds complement each other and a combination may
give the best results.
Hope this helps a bit.

================================
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 16:45:35 2003



From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:38:45 +1200
Subject: Re: Digital Camera software

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Debby


I think that they can simply connect their Coolpix directly to a standard
video monitor (eg the AV input of a TV) and directly view, focus, etc in real
time on the monitor screen.

I think that images get saved to the camera rather than direct to the
computer, but that they can easily be downloaded to the computer.

Get them to check the Coolpix manual.

cheers

rtch

} }
} } Hi all,
} } I have an investigator whose lab is in another building, making
} } it
} } inconvenient for them to come over to use our light microscopes
} } routinely. They have an older Zeiss fluorescent microscope and a
} } Coolpix 900 digital camera that they want to set up to quick-check
} } samples. Do you know of any software that would let them preview the
} } images on a computer screen and capture directly to the computer?
} } Using the small camera view screen is not nearly as desirable an
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 17:03:18 2003



From: Elaine Humphrey :      ech-at-interchange.ubc.ca
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:53:42 -0700
Subject: molecular sieve drying

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Hello Everyone
The question has arisen here about drying molecular sieve. How often
do you dry your molecular sieve and when you do, what temperature and
for how long?

Alternatively does anyone have a better method of maintaining 100% ethanol.
Elaine

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From daemon Thu Jun 26 17:14:47 2003



From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:04:01 +1200
Subject: RE: Real EDS detection limits

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Oops!

Sorry, you're right, I put that sentence in as a hasty afterthought.

I shouldn't malign figures which support my initial guesstimate!

But I stand by my contention that EDS package software precisions
calculated from counting stats are not very reliable.

And that it is wrong for standardless EDS results to be quoted to a
precision of more than two significant figures.

cheers


rtch

} Your estimate was 0.1%. How far is it from 0.09%?
}
} Vladimir
}



}
} }
} } Yes.
} }
} } I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or
} } precision
} } estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing
} } software.
} }
} } My point is that while statistical considerations may well
} } give a realistic
} } estimate of the precision of determination of higher
} } concentrations, they
} } don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} } overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} } escape peaks can play a large part.
} }
} } Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 17:31:53 2003



From: Tom Phillips :      phillipst-at-missouri.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:25:27 -0500
Subject: Re: molecular sieve drying

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And while we are on the subject of drying ethanol, what is the feeling
about whether this is necessary? What is the problem if your "100%"
ethanol has a small (1-2%) of water in it. I never dry my ethanol. I used
to only use fresh bottles but over the last couple of years have evolved
into using "recently opened" (less than 2 weeks or so) bottles and see no
difference. Am i losing something in morphological quality or sectioning
quality that I don't notice? Tom



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From daemon Thu Jun 26 18:20:33 2003



From: John J. Bozzola :      bozzola-at-siu.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:09:59 -0500
Subject: RE: drying molecular sieves

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Regarding the question of "why does alcohol need to be dried over
sieves anyway?":

With some plastics, a trace of water (or even more than a trace) is
not a problem. Some acrylics (LR White, for example) and some epoxies
(Epon equivalents) can tolerate traces of water. BUT, some plastics
are notoriously poor in their tolerance of even traces of water. A
good example is Spurrs resin where exposure of the resin even to
atmospheric humidity will result in a brittle block that is useless
(been there, done that).

So, sometimes you need absolutely dry specimens while at other times
this is not so critical. Like Tom Phillips we now use recently opened
ethanol pints and relegate them to "95%" after they have been opened
a dozen or so times (or are near the half-way point). When we use
Spurrs, we always pass specimens through ethanol followed by
propylene oxide rather than acetone dehydration since acetone is
never as dry as ethanol. Admittedly, this is based on experience
rather than hard science, but we don't tamper with success.

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From: Sharon Drew :      drewsh-at-musc.edu (by way of MicroscopyListserver)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:30 -0500
Subject: Mineral oil layer

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Has any one out there found a good substitute for the mineral oil layer
over your lead stock?
The newer mineral oils that I have tried since my 1970 bottle of Nujol
extra heavy mineral oil ran out, contaminate my lead after only one or
two draws from the lead. The oil turns dark brown and clumpy.
HELP!
Thanks,
Sharon Drew


From daemon Thu Jun 26 19:04:20 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:55:31 -0700
Subject: Re: epson 2200?

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Another thing to consider is price. Printing on cheap paper you will still
use the same costly inks. Again, inkJets usually much slower than laser
printers. To resolve this problem, we have central networked color laser
printer (10 cents/page I believe?), which do 90% of job just perfectly and
we are using inkJets for really fine photo-quality small jobs. I do agree:
the media is nearly 95% of success with inkJets.
Sergey
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From daemon Thu Jun 26 19:14:29 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
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.. and (3) you may store it at room temperature not afraid bacterial
contamination... Sergey

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From daemon Thu Jun 26 20:42:34 2003



From: Diana van Driel :      dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:36:20 +1000
Subject: Re: immunolabeling - use of NDS

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Hi Pernilla,

The serum of the animal used in production of the secondary antibody
(or the first in a direct labelling experiment) is usually used
throughout the labelling procedure, not just during the
preincubation. It helps prevent non specific binding of the antibody.
The serum is present in excess, sticking to the protein binding sites
which would normally attract the antibody. Because the binding is of
low affinity it is wise to keep the serum present throughout.
Therefore DNS would be used for a donkey secondary; goatNS for a goat
secondary etc.

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From daemon Thu Jun 26 22:20:40 2003



From: Gordon Couger :      gcouger-at-rfdata.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:06:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Image Matching Algorithm

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ImageJ http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/ is free and has Java interface that you
might be able to incorporate into your own software.

I believe a radial or polar Fourier transform can be used to line up the
axis of the two images.

ImageJ is also good for comparing images by hand and not too difficult to
add your own code to.


Gordon Couger gcouger-at-couger.com

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:
: Thanks to the many people who responded to a request for information on
: image matching on the list and off it as well. While I appreciate the many
: references to commercial software, if possible we would really like to
: program it into our own lab software to integrate with instrumentation
built
: in-house.
:
: For those who may be curious: The best solution appears to be two separate
: procedures. One is to use coarse resolution edges to find the correct
: rotation angle and then a regression to match pixel for pixel by
optimizing
: over only the better fit pixels (rejecting 10-20%) to account for
artifacts.
: This would also identify "hot" pixels where some change may have occured.
I
: must stress that this procedure suits us because we know what
: changes/artifacts are likely to result, is somewhat limited in the range
of
: problems that can be handled and may not be an optimal approach for all
: cases.
:
: Thanks,
:
: Rohit
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 01:03:12 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:51:31 -0700
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200 proof ethanol is 100% free of water. As my friend-chemist told me, for
200 proof ethanol direct synthesis from ethane utilized. There is no
distillation involved. So, fresh opened bottle of such ethanol is very
good source for "100% ethanol". How long already opened bottle will still
be considered 100% I really don't know. It depends from so many factors
including hymidity and how fast you are working. Usually I use about half
of the bottle and then consider it's 95%. I stopped using molecular sieves
a few years ago when completely switch to the diamond knifes. Even with
every precaution, there is still chance to have particles from molecular
sieve in your plastic. It may damage diamond knife. As for Elanie
question, you may "activate" molecular sieve by heating 200-250oC for 18-24
hours. Use approximately 1/10-1/5 of sieve by volume. If you will not
leave bottle open forever, molecular sieve will be good for 3-6 month. I
did not re-use it. Sergey

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From daemon Fri Jun 27 02:24:29 2003



From: Frank Eggert :      Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:10:52 +0200
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Henk and Peter,

a surface charging influences only the primary electron energy (Eo) - including the absolute Bremsstrahlung generation - , according my knowledge and my experience. If you have a stationary charging (not changing during spectrum acquisition time), then you can
determine the resulting Eo with checking the Bremstrahlung end in the spectrum. Change the Eo in your quantification procedure and you should get right results! But the charging must be stable in time. Otherwise you have a mix of different Eo and the
quantitative correction program must fail!

It is a very interesting question about the energy lost during the slow-down-process caused by surface charging. I think, there is a Bremsstrahlung generation process, emitted with 100% perpendicular only . That is why you have no additional Bremsstrahlung in
your spectrum and all calculation are the same like a lower Eo, taking into account a 'normal' SEM - EDX setup. But there should be effects, if you have a EDX detector with zero degree take-off angle (tilted specimen ).

Am I right? Who has some experience?

Frank



"Tomic, Peter (Peter)" wrote:

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} Henk;
}
} When an electron is slowed on it's approach to the target, where does that energy go? If I were able to instantaneously stop an electron in flight, would it not expend it's entire incident energy as photon radiation? And would that not be "braking radiation?"
}
} Thanks,
}
} Peter
}
} -----Original Message-----
} } From: Hendrik O. Colijn [mailto:colijn.1-at-osu.edu]
} Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:28 AM
} To: Tomic, Peter (Peter); microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]
}
} Peter,
}
} Surface charge becomes irrelevant in the creation of brehmstrahlung since
} the final energy of the electron winds up being zero. Whether it
} decelerates before the sample or within it, you will decelerate the same
} amount and so create the same brehmstrahlung. It is a characteristic of
} the acceleration of the electron. Synchrotron radiation can be considered
} to be a special case of brehmstrahlung where the acceleration of the
} electron is perpendicular to its trajectory.
}
} That said... Surface charge WILL affect your spectrum, since the electron
} within the sample is at a lower energy.
}
} Cheers,
} Henk Colijn
}
} At 09:25 AM 6/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
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} }
} }
} } Folks;
} }
} } Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is there
} } general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly proportional
} } to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
} } charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a surface
} } whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking radiation can
} } happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron down the
} } EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed down by
} } it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it must
} } release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung radiation,
} } yes?
} }
} }
} } Peter Tomic
} } Agere Systems
} } Allentown, PA
} }
} } -----Original Message-----
} } } From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
} } Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
} } To: Ritchie Sims
} } Cc: Bill Tivol; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} } Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits
} }
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} }
} } Dear all,
} }
} } you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not only
} } from
} } statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher values are
} } peak
} } overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up, diffraction
} } peaks
} } .).
} }
} } But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise (peak
} } to
} } background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is
} } well
} } defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most
} } cases).
} } The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited characteristic
} } lines
} } depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and
} } critical
} } excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 { Z { 30
} } it
} } can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection
} } limits
} } (mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The
} } probability of
} } Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of specimen.
} } The
} } detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy matrix
} } (it
} } can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units)
} } for iron
} } is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not in Pb.
} }
} } You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves, which
} } can
} } give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about 'best
} } case'
} } detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:
} }
} } http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml
} }
} } . hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)
} }
} }
} } Frank Eggert
} }
} }
} }
} }
} } Ritchie Sims wrote:
} }
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} } }
} } } Yes.
} } }
} } } I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
} } } estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
} } }
} } } My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a
} } realistic
} } } estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
} } } don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} } } overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} } } escape peaks can play a large part.
} } }
} } } Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
} } }
} } } Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by
} } 'detection
} } } limit'.
} } }
} } } It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} } } system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of
} } 'quantitative'
} } } results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} } } unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
} } }
} } } cheers
} } }
} } } rtch
} } }
} } } } Dear Richie,
} } } } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } } } looking
} } } } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } } } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } } } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } } } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } } } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } } } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} } } } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } } } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } } } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} } } }
} } }
} } } }
} } } }
} } } } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} } } }
} } } } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } } } software says.
} } } }
} } } } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } } } }
} } }
} } } --
} } } Ritchie Sims Ph D Phone : 64 9 3737599
} } } ext 87713
} } } Microanalyst Fax : 64 9
} } 3737435
} } } Department of Geology email :
} } } r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
} } } The University of Auckland
} } } Private Bag 92019
} } } Auckland
} } } New Zealand
}
} Hendrik O. Colijn colijn.1-at-osu.edu
} Campus Electron Optics Facility Ohio State University
} (614) 292-0674 http://www.ceof.ohio-state.edu
} Time is that quality of nature which keeps events from happening all at
} once. Lately it doesn't seem to be working.



From daemon Fri Jun 27 03:35:35 2003



From: Coetzee, Mr S. H Physics Science :      COETZEES-at-mopipi.ub.bw
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:20:09 +0200
Subject: RE: TEM work contracts

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Dear Nancy
Did you get my e-mails?
I did send it 3 times and got no reply.
If you are interested in collaborative research the excess to our facility is free.
That means free microscope time and no bench fees. It will stay that way till
management changes it. We are equipped with a Technai 12 and a SIS camera.
If you send us your samples on grids and
in a box we will stain them and view them for you.

The images we will write to a CD and post it to you for
interpretation and to publish the work.


To all TEM facilities:

I need someone to help me with plant viruses/TEM research. I do have TEM
background but do not have an electron microscope(none in Alaska). I need to
look at purified viruses and viruses in plant tissue. I am looking for a EM
facility that either contracts research projects or allows one to use their
facility for a short segment of time. My immediate need is to have grids of
purified virus or leaf dips looked at for virus particles.

Thank you,

Nancy Robertson



Nancy L. Robertson
Research Plant Pathologist
USDA, ARS
533 E. Fireweed Ave.
Palmer Alaska 99645
907-746-9465 office
907-746-2898 lab
907-746-2677 fax
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 05:45:28 2003



From: Biomaterials :      Biomat-at-eastman.ucl.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:40:30 +0100
Subject: Meteor II board query

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Dear All
I have a query. I have inherited a Meteor II board and JVC camera with a Y/C
output. The board works OK as I can get a real time image in monochrome but
cannot fathom out how to get it in colour. Any help appreciated.
Jonathan




From daemon Fri Jun 27 07:31:06 2003



From: Hendrik O. Colijn :      colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:22:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Frank and Peter,

It just occurs to me that we may have a semantic issue
here. Bremsstrahlung radiation is generated whenever a charged particle is
accelerated. The continuum portion of a spectrum is also often referred to
as bremsstrahlung.

You will generate bremsstrahlung radiation as the electron is being slowed
down by a surface charge. This radiation will be in the forward direction
and will not be picked up by the EDS detector. It will irradiate your
sample producing (I suppose) a minimal amount of "x-ray
fluorescence". Additional bremsstrahlung radiation will be created as the
electron slows down and is scattered within the sample. This leads to the
continuum background seen in the spectrum. The high energy limit of the
continuum (Duane-Hunt limit) indicates the maximum energy of the electron
within the sample. Surface charge will reduce the Duane-Hunt limit from
the nominal beam voltage.

cheers,
Henk



At 09:10 AM 6/27/2003 +0200, Frank Eggert wrote:
} Henk and Peter,
}
} a surface charging influences only the primary electron energy (Eo) -
} including the absolute Bremsstrahlung generation - , according my
} knowledge and my experience. If you have a stationary charging (not
} changing during spectrum acquisition time), then you can
} determine the resulting Eo with checking the Bremstrahlung end in the
} spectrum. Change the Eo in your quantification procedure and you should
} get right results! But the charging must be stable in time. Otherwise you
} have a mix of different Eo and the
} quantitative correction program must fail!
}
} It is a very interesting question about the energy lost during the
} slow-down-process caused by surface charging. I think, there is a
} Bremsstrahlung generation process, emitted with 100% perpendicular only .
} That is why you have no additional Bremsstrahlung in
} your spectrum and all calculation are the same like a lower Eo, taking
} into account a 'normal' SEM - EDX setup. But there should be effects, if
} you have a EDX detector with zero degree take-off angle (tilted specimen ).
}
} Am I right? Who has some experience?
}
} Frank
}
}
}
} "Tomic, Peter (Peter)" wrote:
}
} } ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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} }
} } Henk;
} }
} } When an electron is slowed on it's approach to the target, where does
} that energy go? If I were able to instantaneously stop an electron in
} flight, would it not expend it's entire incident energy as photon
} radiation? And would that not be "braking radiation?"
} }
} } Thanks,
} }
} } Peter
} }
} } -----Original Message-----
} } } From: Hendrik O. Colijn [mailto:colijn.1-at-osu.edu]
} } Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:28 AM
} } To: Tomic, Peter (Peter); microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} } Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]
} }
} } Peter,
} }
} } Surface charge becomes irrelevant in the creation of brehmstrahlung since
} } the final energy of the electron winds up being zero. Whether it
} } decelerates before the sample or within it, you will decelerate the same
} } amount and so create the same brehmstrahlung. It is a characteristic of
} } the acceleration of the electron. Synchrotron radiation can be considered
} } to be a special case of brehmstrahlung where the acceleration of the
} } electron is perpendicular to its trajectory.
} }
} } That said... Surface charge WILL affect your spectrum, since the electron
} } within the sample is at a lower energy.
} }
} } Cheers,
} } Henk Colijn
} }
} } At 09:25 AM 6/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
} } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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} } }
} } }
} } } Folks;
} } }
} } } Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is
} there
} } } general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly proportional
} } } to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
} } } charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a surface
} } } whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking
} radiation can
} } } happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron
} down the
} } } EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed down by
} } } it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it must
} } } release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung
} radiation,
} } } yes?
} } }
} } }
} } } Peter Tomic
} } } Agere Systems
} } } Allentown, PA
} } }
} } } -----Original Message-----
} } } } From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
} } } Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
} } } To: Ritchie Sims
} } } Cc: Bill Tivol; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
} } } Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits
} } }
} } }
} } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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} } } -----------------------------------------------------------------------.
} } }
} } }
} } } Dear all,
} } }
} } } you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not
} only
} } } from
} } } statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher
} values are
} } } peak
} } } overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up,
} diffraction
} } } peaks
} } } .).
} } }
} } } But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise
} (peak
} } } to
} } } background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is
} } } well
} } } defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most
} } } cases).
} } } The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited
} characteristic
} } } lines
} } } depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and
} } } critical
} } } excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 {
} Z { 30
} } } it
} } } can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection
} } } limits
} } } (mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The
} } } probability of
} } } Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of
} specimen.
} } } The
} } } detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy
} matrix
} } } (it
} } } can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units)
} } } for iron
} } } is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not
} in Pb.
} } }
} } } You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves,
} which
} } } can
} } } give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about
} 'best
} } } case'
} } } detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:
} } }
} } } http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml
} } }
} } } . hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)
} } }
} } }
} } } Frank Eggert
} } }
} } }
} } }
} } }
} } } Ritchie Sims wrote:
} } }
} } } }
} ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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} America
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} -----------------------------------------------------------------------.
} } } }
} } } } Yes.
} } } }
} } } } I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
} } } } estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
} } } }
} } } } My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a
} } } realistic
} } } } estimate of the precision of determination of higher
} concentrations, they
} } } } don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} } } } overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} } } } escape peaks can play a large part.
} } } }
} } } } Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
} } } }
} } } } Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by
} } } 'detection
} } } } limit'.
} } } }
} } } } It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} } } } system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of
} } } 'quantitative'
} } } } results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} } } } unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
} } } }
} } } } cheers
} } } }
} } } } rtch
} } } }
} } } } } Dear Richie,
} } } } } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } } } } looking
} } } } } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } } } } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } } } } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } } } } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } } } } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } } } } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM
} Scientist
} } } } } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } } } } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } } } } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} } } } }
} } } }
} } } } }
} } } } }
} } } } } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} } } } }
} } } } } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } } } } software says.
} } } } }
} } } } } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } } } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } } } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } } } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } } } } }
} } } }
} } } } --
} } } } Ritchie Sims Ph D Phone : 64 9 3737599
} } } } ext 87713
} } } } Microanalyst Fax : 64 9
} } } 3737435
} } } } Department of Geology email :
} } } } r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
} } } } The University of Auckland
} } } } Private Bag 92019
} } } } Auckland
} } } } New Zealand
} }
} } Hendrik O. Colijn colijn.1-at-osu.edu
} } Campus Electron Optics Facility Ohio State University
} } (614) 292-0674 http://www.ceof.ohio-state.edu
} } Time is that quality of nature which keeps events from happening all at
} } once. Lately it doesn't seem to be working.

Hendrik O. Colijn colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Campus Electron Optics Facility Ohio State University
(614) 292-0674 http://www.ceof.ohio-state.edu
Time is that quality of nature which keeps events from happening all at
once. Lately it doesn't seem to be working.



From daemon Fri Jun 27 08:22:57 2003



From: Frank Eggert :      Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:10:49 +0200
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Henk,

you are right with all points, but...

Bremsstrahlung is generated in perpendicular direction (90 degree angle) to the
direction of charged particles accelaration (positive and negative). Therefore the
stopping of charged particles (electrons) generates Bremsstrahlung to 0 degree
take off angle detector position (only in this direction, if the electrical field
is homogeneous), and not in direction to specimen.

That is why you should be able to measure additional Bremsstrahlung parts in
spectrum, if the detectors position is at 0 degree take off. I expect a spectrum
with more Bremsstrahlung (from zero to specimen- charging in keV) than in the same
specimen without charging but with a primary electron energy, which is reduced by
the same energy of charging. It is an interesting question, isn't it?

The Bremsstrahlung from the specimen has an isotrope distribution because of the
scattering effects (there exists all electron directions after a couple of
scatter acts). But we know, Bremsstrahlung generation has a anisotrope component
by bombarding a target. That part comes direct from surface (all electrons still
have one direction). It is to taken into account, if you calculate the
Bremsstrahlung distribution. The anisotropy is becoming more important with
reducing the take off angle of the detector. You have more Bremsstrahlung with
lower angles. The same processes occur with the electron beam like in direct
surface of specimen. The electron beam de-accelerated in charge field of specimen
(without changing of direction, if the field is homogeneous). The acceleration
radiation (Bremsstrahlung) emits perpendicularly to the electron beam direction.

Are there other comments? Is there somebody, who has already measured this effect
yet?

Frank


"Hendrik O. Colijn" wrote:

} Frank and Peter,
}
} It just occurs to me that we may have a semantic issue
} here. Bremsstrahlung radiation is generated whenever a charged particle is
} accelerated. The continuum portion of a spectrum is also often referred to
} as bremsstrahlung.
}
} You will generate bremsstrahlung radiation as the electron is being slowed
} down by a surface charge. This radiation will be in the forward direction
} and will not be picked up by the EDS detector. It will irradiate your
} sample producing (I suppose) a minimal amount of "x-ray
} fluorescence". Additional bremsstrahlung radiation will be created as the
} electron slows down and is scattered within the sample. This leads to the
} continuum background seen in the spectrum. The high energy limit of the
} continuum (Duane-Hunt limit) indicates the maximum energy of the electron
} within the sample. Surface charge will reduce the Duane-Hunt limit from
} the nominal beam voltage.
}
} cheers,
} Henk
}
} At 09:10 AM 6/27/2003 +0200, Frank Eggert wrote:
} } Henk and Peter,
} }
} } a surface charging influences only the primary electron energy (Eo) -
} } including the absolute Bremsstrahlung generation - , according my
} } knowledge and my experience. If you have a stationary charging (not
} } changing during spectrum acquisition time), then you can
} } determine the resulting Eo with checking the Bremstrahlung end in the
} } spectrum. Change the Eo in your quantification procedure and you should
} } get right results! But the charging must be stable in time. Otherwise you
} } have a mix of different Eo and the
} } quantitative correction program must fail!
} }
} } It is a very interesting question about the energy lost during the
} } slow-down-process caused by surface charging. I think, there is a
} } Bremsstrahlung generation process, emitted with 100% perpendicular only .
} } That is why you have no additional Bremsstrahlung in
} } your spectrum and all calculation are the same like a lower Eo, taking
} } into account a 'normal' SEM - EDX setup. But there should be effects, if
} } you have a EDX detector with zero degree take-off angle (tilted specimen ).
} }
} } Am I right? Who has some experience?
} }
} } Frank
} }



From daemon Fri Jun 27 08:33:27 2003



From: Emmanuelle Roux :      eroux-at-caprion.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:23:33 -0400
Subject: mineral oil layer

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Hi Sharon,
Try putting your lead solution in a syringe (no needle). Put the stopper and parafilm on it. Keep in the fridge. Before using it, get rid of the first 3-4 drops. It works well.
Emmanuelle

Emmanuelle Roux, PhD
Senior Scientist
Caprion Pharmaceuticals
7150 Alexander Fleming
St-Laurent, H4S 2C8
Quebec, Canada
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Fax: 514-940-3620



From daemon Fri Jun 27 08:41:24 2003



From: Emmanuelle Roux :      eroux-at-caprion.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:33:04 -0400
Subject: mineral oil layer

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Hi again,
I did not mention it in my first message but, with the syringe you do not need mineral oil or anything else. That is the advantage of that technique , no contamination by other chemicals.
Emmanuelle

Emmanuelle Roux, PhD
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 08:42:52 2003



From: zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:35:05 -0500
Subject: Microscopy & Microanalysis 2003 Program On-Line

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Colleagues:

For those of you that are interested. The complete program for
Microscopy & Microanalysis 2003 meeting this August
is now available on-line at

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You may download the program in PDF format, or use
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 08:44:27 2003



From: sswaffe-at-abv.bg (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:36:43 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: liquid paraffin as immersion oil?

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (sswaffe-at-abv.bg) from http://www.msa.microscopy.com/Ask-A-Microscopist.html on Friday, June 27, 2003 at 02:48:51
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Email: sswaffe-at-abv.bg
Name: Veselin Andreev

Organization: 54 st"Ivan Rilski"

Education: 6-8th Grade Middle School

Location: Sofia Bulgaria

Question: Can I use liquid paraffin as immersion oil?
And how can I clean up my lenses after work?

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From daemon Fri Jun 27 09:04:25 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:53:31 -0500
Subject: Re: molecular sieve drying

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Elaine,

In an oven at 150 deg C or so (not really critical, just not too
hot), for however long it takes for the indicator to turn blue again.
Usually one to 3 hours.
There is no better method to dry 100% EtOH that I know of, and to
keep it dry. You've probably read the earlier posts about putting the
sieve in dialysis tubing to contain the dust -- if you didn't write
one of them (I forget, sorry).
Phil

} Hello Everyone
} The question has arisen here about drying molecular sieve. How often
} do you dry your molecular sieve and when you do, what temperature
} and for how long?
}
} Alternatively does anyone have a better method of maintaining 100% ethanol.
} Elaine
}
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 09:06:25 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:56:17 -0500
Subject: Re: molecular sieve drying

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Tom,

I would expect more problems with embedding resins, but ... I'm
really a SEM jock, so, yes, I think -- I admit that -- that I see
better drying with sieve-dried EtOH when looking at cell membranes in
our high resolution FESEM. Lower magnifications, say { 10,000 X, may
not show a big difference. But recall that during critical point
drying, if there is free water within the specimen, then at least
where the water is, you're drying from water not liquid CO2.

Phil

} And while we are on the subject of drying ethanol, what is the
} feeling about whether this is necessary? What is the problem if
} your "100%" ethanol has a small (1-2%) of water in it. I never dry
} my ethanol. I used to only use fresh bottles but over the last
} couple of years have evolved into using "recently opened" (less than
} 2 weeks or so) bottles and see no difference. Am i losing something
} in morphological quality or sectioning quality that I don't notice?
} Tom
}
}
}
} At 02:53 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 09:39:27 2003



From: Gerd Leitinger :      gerd.leitinger-at-kfunigraz.ac.at
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:19:54 +0200
Subject: TEM - Need help embedding Helix pomatia neurons

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Frank;

Would you agree with this statement and empirical observation. When I image a sample that is highly insulative, and I know the surface is partially charged toward Eo, I get a larger background noise level than when I do the same to a highly conductive specimen. Now the effective Eo is diminished by the quantity of that surface charge on the sample. This charge will slow the electron down by some amount.

Question: No matter what axis photon emission takes place and whether the EDX detector sees it, is this not braking radiation happening during the "free space" flight of the electron, prior to solid interaction? If I had the EM column loaded with detectors at every conceivable angle, wouldn't they "see" these photons?


Peter

-----Original Message-----
} From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:11 AM
To: Tomic, Peter (Peter)
Cc: Hendrik O. Colijn; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Dear members of the list server,

Has anybody got experience with processing snail tissue for EM?
I am trying to process neurons of the snail Helix pomatia for the TEM,
but had only poor success so far.

- fine structural preservation is poor- the membranes are hardly visible.
- there is extremely poor contrast- the tissue does not seem to take up
lead citrate and uranyl acetate.
- the tissue is very hard and difficult to section.

I have been using our usual method that works extremely well in
insects:
-Fixing in 0.1M phosphate buffer, pH 7.2 with a 2% glutaraldehyde,
0.5% paraformaldehyde-mixture
-rinsing in the same buffer,
-1% Osmium tetraoxide in the same buffer,
-dehydration in a acetone series and embedding in TAAB epoxy resin.

Has anybody got an idea about where we have gone wrong? Is there a
special osmolarity/different pH we should stick to in the snail, or should
we use sodium cacodylate buffer instead of phosphate buffer?
So far, I refrained from using cacodylate buffer since the tissue is being
fixed in Italy and then sent to Austria by our Italian colleages, and it
would be difficult to transport harmful material.

I would be grateful for help by a more experienced snail EM
investigator.

Gerd Leitinger

--
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Karl Franzens University of Graz
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 10:47:29 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:05 -0600
Subject: Meteor II board query

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As far as I remember, the Meteor boards came in different flavors. Perhaps
you have one that can only acquire b/w?

mike


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-----Original Message-----
} From: Biomaterials [mailto:Biomat-at-eastman.ucl.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:41 AM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Dear All
I have a query. I have inherited a Meteor II board and JVC camera with a Y/C
output. The board works OK as I can get a real time image in monochrome but
cannot fathom out how to get it in colour. Any help appreciated.
Jonathan




From daemon Fri Jun 27 10:47:29 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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Peter,

I think, the answer is Yes and No. If you slow down or "bend" electrons in
an electric field, such as in a microscope, it is an acceleration, and the
electrons will emit radiation. However, the radiation is probably so low in
energy that it is way beyond the detection limit of your detector. If
electrons bent at macroscopic radii would emit radiation, your computer and
every electric device should give off x-rays, which, to my knowledge, they
don't.

On the other hand, if you put a field on your sample, you don't really slow
down the electrons, you rather make them turn and slam into something else.
Could be the sample holder, the stage, even the walls of the chamber. There
they will still create bremsstrahlung. In other words: your signal from your
sample goes down, the background radiation does not really change
significantly. Result: Your S/N ratio goes up.

mike





-----Original Message-----
} From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) [mailto:ptomic-at-agere.com]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:22 AM
To: Mike Bode


Folks;

Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is there
general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly proportional
to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a surface
whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking radiation can
happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron down the
EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed down by
it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it must
release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung radiation,
yes?


Peter Tomic
Agere Systems
Allentown, PA

-----Original Message-----
} From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
To: Ritchie Sims
Cc: Bill Tivol; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Dear all,

you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not only
from
statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher values are
peak
overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up, diffraction
peaks
.).

But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise (peak
to
background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is
well
defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most
cases).
The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited characteristic
lines
depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and
critical
excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 { Z { 30
it
can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection
limits
(mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The
probability of
Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of specimen.
The
detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy matrix
(it
can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units)
for iron
is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not in Pb.

You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves, which
can
give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about 'best
case'
detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:

http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml

. hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)


Frank Eggert




Ritchie Sims wrote:

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} Yes.
}
} I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
} estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
}
} My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a
realistic
} estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
} don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} escape peaks can play a large part.
}
} Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
}
} Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by
'detection
} limit'.
}
} It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of
'quantitative'
} results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
} } Dear Richie,
} } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } looking
} } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} }
}
} }
} }
} } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} }
} } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } software says.
} }
} } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } }
}
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 10:47:34 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:57 -0600
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Bill,

I think you are talking about pair production, not bremsstrahlung. If my
memory serves me right, a charge can create bremsstrahlung also in vacuum.
How else would a synchroton work?

mike


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-----Original Message-----
} From: Bill Tivol [mailto:tivol-at-caltech.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:30 PM
To: microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com



On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 06:25 AM, Tomic, Peter (Peter) wrote:

} Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is
} there
} general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly
} proportional
} to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
} charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a
} surface
} whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking
} radiation can
} happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron
} down the
} EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed
} down by
} it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it
} must
} release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung
} radiation,
} yes?
}
Dear Peter,
Bremsstrahlung is not proportional to the charge--surface or
bulk--on
the sample. It can, be produced by neutral atoms and is proportional
to a power of Z. (I don't have my reference material with me, but I
think it is Z^2.) Since both energy and momentum must be conserved,
bremsstrahlung must involve another particle besides the electron and
photon, so it cannot be generated in a perfect vacuum; however, in
addition to being generated in solids, bremsstrahlung can be generated
in gasses, so, if the electron happens to pass near enough to a
residual atom as it travels down the EM column, bremsstrahlung can be
produced (extremely rarely). In addition to bremsstrahlung, there are
several energy-loss processes that do not involve photon production,
such as ionization, excitation, plasmon production, etc., so when
electrons are slowed down, most of the energy released is not in the
form of photons.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Fri Jun 27 10:58:55 2003



From: Theodoros Loutas :      loutas-at-mech.upatras.gr
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:50:30 +0300
Subject: SEM or TEM/ heating stage

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} } Dear all,
} }
} } I am interested in measuring the axial and radial thermal expansion
} } coefficient in fibers (diameter 7-15ìm) up to 1200 C. So I address to
labs
} } with heating stage equipment for SEM or TEM. To be more precise the job
} } description is as follows:
} } We want to measure the coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) in three
} } types of ceramic fibers (carbon, Al2O3, SiC) in both axial and radial
} } direction up to 1200 C. The diameters are 7ìm for carbon, 14 ìm for
Al2O3
} } and 15ìm for SiC. If anyone thinks he can undertake the job then we can
} } discuss further about the cost, the time it takes and other details. We
} } have attempted to do it with optical microscopy but seems impossible,
} needs
} } greater magnification.
} } On the other hand if anyone has heating stage equipment for SEM and he
} } doesn't need it for this period then we can discuss about the
perspective
} of
} } borrowing it, or any formula that would allow us to do the job.
} } In any case I would appreciate any information regarding labs having
this
} } kind of facilities because in the web it seems that there are not so
many.
} } Thank you very much for your time.
} }
} }
} } Theodoros Loutas
} } Dipl. Mechanical Engineer, Research assistant
} } Applied Mechanics Lab
} } Dpt. of Mechanical and Aeronautics Engineering
} } University of Patras, Greece
} }
}




From daemon Fri Jun 27 14:07:12 2003



From: Baggethun, Paul :      Paul.Baggethun-at-alcoa.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:49:55 -0400
Subject: SEM - which instrument to keep?

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We have two elderly SEM's: a JEOL 35 and a ISI DS 130. One of the
instruments must be surplussed. Which instrument would you recomment to
keep?


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From: Barbara Foster :      bfoster-at-mme1.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:07:23 -0700
Subject: SEM of teeth ... revisited

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For those of you who were interested in how to prepare replicas of teeth
for analysis in the SEM, my colleague, Dr. Gina Semprebon, has just
returned and would be happy to discuss this analysis with you off-line.

You can reach her at g.sempreb-at-baypath.edu

Good hunting!
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Microscopy/Microscopy Education
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Springfield, MA 01118
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From: Anthony Garratt-Reed :      tonygr-at-mit.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:36:51 -0400
Subject: Bremsstrahlung

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Colleagues:

All charged particles radiate Bremmstrahlung whenever they are accelerated
(i.e. whenever their direction and/or velocity is changed). Digging back
into my Atomic Physics (which was far more years ago than I care to
reveal!), it seems to me that this is a consequence of the impossibility of
conserving both energy and momentum in a general 2-body elastic
interaction. The energy of the photon depends on the magnitude of the
acceleration, though I can't tell you the form of the dependence. I'll
guess that it is linear for illustrative purposes.

However...

The energy depends on the magnitude of the acceleration. By electron
standards, the field outside a charged surface is miniscule (less than a
volt per micron). Electrons approaching a charged surface will not be
stopped - they will be deflected. To get an order of magnitude, we can say
that the radius of curvature is of the order of the working distance, say 5 mm.

Electrons are deflected elastically by neutral atoms only if the incident
electron penetrates inside the atomic electron cloud. The "size" of an
atom is far less than 0.1nm - lets approximate this distance as
0.005nm. The difference between these numbers is 10^9. For a given
incident electron energy, the acceleration is inversely proportional to the
radius of curvature (ignoring relativistic effects). Hence, if an
electron/atom interaction generates a 1KeV bremsstrahlung photon, then the
electron/surface charge interaction will generate a 1 micro-eV
bremsstrahlung photon, for an equal angular deviation.

Hence ...

Yes, the electron acceleration by a surface does produce bremsstrahlung,
but the photon energy is so low you don't detect it (it is actually UHF
RF). Since the individual photon energy is so low, the total energy loss
is also negligible, so the signal is not observable even on a sensitive
radio receiver.

You can think of it another way. The wavelength of the photon must be
comparable to the distance over which the charge experiences an
acceleration (think of the oscillating charge in a radio
antenna/aeriel). The total distance over which an electron experiences
the charge of the atomic nucleus is a few times the closest approach - lets
say 0.02 nm or, using the units of Wavelength spectroscopy, 0.2
Angstroms. An x-ray with a wavelength of 0.2 Angstroms has an energy of
roughly 60KeV - higher than typical for bremsstrahlung, but close enough to
illustrate my point.


So ...

Why do you observe a degradation in the x-ray spectrum when the sample
charges? Because the energy of the electrons reaching the surface is
reduced. The cross-section for production of characteristic x-rays goes
down faster with incident energy than the cross-section for production of
bremsstrahlung (at least in typical cases in EDX analysis). So the
signal-to-noise ratio of the resulting spectrum is lower than would be the
case of a neutral sample surface.

Everything I have written is generalized, rough and qualitative, of course,
but illustrates the point.

The angular dependence of bremsstrahlung emission is another interesting
point, but I'll leave that to someone else.

Tony.

PS I have unsubscribed from the list as I am going on vacation, so I won't
see anything you write in response, unless you address it to me specifically.

PPS One physicist who wrote about bremsstrahlung production (back in the
'70's of the last century) was our own friendly neighborhood SysOp. There
were several others, dating back to Kramers in 1923.


***********************************************
Anthony J. Garratt-Reed, M.A., D.Phil.
MIT Room 13-1027
77 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139-4307
USA

Tel: 617-253-4622
Fax: 617-258-6479
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 16:51:39 2003



From: Bill Tivol :      tivol-at-caltech.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:52:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:28 AM, Hendrik O. Colijn wrote:

} Surface charge becomes irrelevant in the creation of brehmstrahlung
} since the final energy of the electron winds up being zero. Whether
} it decelerates before the sample or within it, you will decelerate the
} same amount and so create the same brehmstrahlung. It is a
} characteristic of the acceleration of the electron. Synchrotron
} radiation can be considered to be a special case of brehmstrahlung
} where the acceleration of the electron is perpendicular to its
} trajectory.
}
} That said... Surface charge WILL affect your spectrum, since the
} electron within the sample is at a lower energy.
}
Dear Hendrik,
Bremsstrahlung photons can have any energy from 0 to the energy of the
incident electron (or other charged particle), E_e. The number of
photons produced at a given energy E_g is proportional to E_e - E_g, so
the electron only rarely winds up with 0 energy. Surface charge will
have no effect on the spectrum.
Yours,
Bill Tivol
EM Scientist and Manager
Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility
Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena CA 91125
(626) 395-8833
tivol-at-caltech.edu




From daemon Fri Jun 27 16:51:45 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:40:52 -0600
Subject: Re: Real EDS detection limits

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I meant DOWN. The S/N ratio goes down, not up. Sorry.

mike


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-----Original Message-----
} From: Mike Bode [mailto:mb-at-soft-imaging.com]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:38 AM
To: 'Microscopy-at-MSA.Microscopy.Com'



Peter,

I think, the answer is Yes and No. If you slow down or "bend" electrons in
an electric field, such as in a microscope, it is an acceleration, and the
electrons will emit radiation. However, the radiation is probably so low in
energy that it is way beyond the detection limit of your detector. If
electrons bent at macroscopic radii would emit radiation, your computer and
every electric device should give off x-rays, which, to my knowledge, they
don't.

On the other hand, if you put a field on your sample, you don't really slow
down the electrons, you rather make them turn and slam into something else.
Could be the sample holder, the stage, even the walls of the chamber. There
they will still create bremsstrahlung. In other words: your signal from your
sample goes down, the background radiation does not really change
significantly. Result: Your S/N ratio goes up.

mike





-----Original Message-----
} From: Tomic, Peter (Peter) [mailto:ptomic-at-agere.com]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:22 AM
To: Mike Bode


Folks;

Since Bremsstrahlung radiation is also called "braking radiation", is there
general agreement that the braking radiation will be directly proportional
to surface charge on the target sample? That is, a surface that becomes
charged by the e-beam will generate more braking radiation than a surface
whose charge is at zero. Also, is it fair to say that braking radiation can
happen within a sold and not just during the flight of the electron down the
EM column? For example, if a backscattered electron becomes slowed down by
it's local environment, in a solid or any sample for that matter, it must
release that energy in the form of photons i. e. Brermsstrahlung radiation,
yes?


Peter Tomic
Agere Systems
Allentown, PA

-----Original Message-----
} From: Frank Eggert [mailto:Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
To: Ritchie Sims
Cc: Bill Tivol; microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


Dear all,

you are right. The detection limits of an EDX spectrometer depends not only
from
statistic. Main cause to change the detection limits to higher values are
peak
overlaps and spectra distortions (escape, shelf, tail, pile-up, diffraction
peaks
.).

But the basics of calculation of detection limits are signal to noise (peak
to
background) ratios. The background with electron probe microanalysis is
well
defined with Bremsstrahlung (99% of all background contributions in most
cases).
The Bremsstrahlung and its absolute relation to the excited characteristic
lines
depends from physics only, mainly from primary electron energy and
critical
excitation energies of used line series. It's true in region of 10 { Z { 30
it
can be achieved 0.1% (K-radiation) and for Z } 80 only 0.3% as detection
limits
(mean atomic number about 26, 60 s acquisition time, 2000 cps). The
probability of
Bremsstrahlung generation rises with higher mean atomic number of specimen.
The
detection limit in a weak matrix is much higher compared to a heavy matrix
(it
can be factors of 3 and more). A detection limit of 0.05% (mass units)
for iron
is possible in a matrix of glass or in biological specimens, but not in Pb.

You will find at the given link an image with detection limits curves, which
can
give you some support. These calculated curves give you an idea about 'best
case'
detection limits in EPMA without overlaps etc.:

http://www.microanalyst.net/index_e.phtml

. hit [Information] and then scroll down (last image)


Frank Eggert




Ritchie Sims wrote:

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} Yes.
}
} I was referring in a general sense to detection limits and/or precision
} estimates that are delivered by the EDS spectrum-processing software.
}
} My point is that while statistical considerations may well give a
realistic
} estimate of the precision of determination of higher concentrations, they
} don't RELIABLY provide meaningful detection limits for EDS, in which
} overlaps and other spectral artefacts such as coincidence peaks and
} escape peaks can play a large part.
}
} Do you really believe the quoted 'detection limit' of 0.09%?
}
} Even without entering the discussion of exactly what is meant by
'detection
} limit'.
}
} It would be interesting to hear something on this subject from the EDS
} system manufacturers. My personal suspicion is that a lot of
'quantitative'
} results, obtained from standardless EDS packages, are quoted to
} unjustifiable precision, even to two decimal places!
}
} cheers
}
} rtch
}
} } Dear Richie,
} } Overlaps should not be a problem for Cl and steel. When I was
} } looking
} } for Cl in sediment, I saw what were very small peaks that were only
} } slightly larger than the noise. However, in several examples there
} } were small amounts of Ti such that the Ti k-alpha peaks were clearly
} } present and the k-beta peaks were the same size as the Cl k-alpha.
} } Since I knew that the Ti k-beta peaks were real, that gave me
} } confidence that the Cl peaks were also. Yours, Bill Tivol EM Scientist
} } and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code
} } 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626)
} } 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
} }
}
} }
} }
} } On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Ritchie Sims wrote:
} }
} } } If you can't actually see the peak then you can't trust what the
} } } software says.
} }
} } } I bet the detection limit of 0.09% was generated by the software
} } } from consideration of counting statistics. These may well be OK for
} } } WDS, but for EDS it's not the counting stats that limit
} } } detectability, it's the overlaps and other spectral interferences.
} } }
}
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From daemon Fri Jun 27 18:00:50 2003



From: Chetan Prasad :      chety-at-asu.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:35:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Reply: SEM - which instrument to keep?

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} We have two elderly SEM's: a JEOL 35 and a ISI DS 130. One of the
} instruments must be surplussed. Which instrument would you recomment to
} keep?


In response to Pauls query, we were operating an electron-beam lithography
set-up with a modified ISI DS 130 before we transitioned on to a JEOL
6000FS Nanowriter and this SEM has many useful features that come in handy. It
has a very good ultra-high resolution first stage and a larger second stage
for flexibility in sample sizing and types. The max mag is about 240kX in the
second stage operation and I have personally seen reasonable image quality
persisting upto 100 - 150kX.

Operation-wise, we haven't had too many problems requiring service over the
last 5 years ... mainly just minor things such as one diffusion pump oil
change and a few faulty capacitors here and there. The only issue here could
be that ISI is out of business and finding parts and service might be an
issue. Our present contract is through a company called Scanservice Corp
somewhere in CA and they seem to be doing a pretty decent job of things.

I don't know much about the JEOL 35 but then my suggestion would be to retain
the SEM that best suits your needs presently.

Chetan Prasad
------------------------------------
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Nanostructures Research Group
Department of Electrical Engineering
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-5706
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From: Ritchie Sims :      r.sims-at-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:11:15 +1200
Subject: re: drying

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} As my friend-chemist told
} me, for 200 proof ethanol direct synthesis from ethane utilized.
} There is no distillation involved.


Is this really so in the USA?

I was under the impression that fermentation was the main source of
ethanol all over the world.

In New Zealand we make methanol from natural gas, but ethanol is
manufactured, by fermentation, from whey. This does, of course,
involve distillation, but there's no problem industrially removing the
5% or so of water which distills over with the ethanol. It used to be
removed by further distillation with benzene, but that was phased out
some years ago because of the carcinogenicity of benzene. The small
residue of benzene used to be a good argument against using lab
alcohol in the Xmas party punch.

There's quite an industry in New Zealand making budget-priced spirits
(gin, vodka, etc) from the whey alcohol.

Somehow the gin and tonic doesn't seem to slip down so well when you
know it was made from milk.

BTW, 100% ethanol is not exactly 200% proof, nor is 50% ethanol
exactly 100% proof. Proof spirit was originally defined as spirit with
just enough ethanol in it so that standard gunpowder, when saturated with the
mixture in question, would still burn. It's within a few percent of
50.

cheers

rtch


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From daemon Mon Jun 30 01:55:08 2003



From: Frank Eggert :      Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:40:47 +0200
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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High Peter,


}
} Would you agree with this statement and empirical observation. When I image a sample that is highly insulative, and I know the surface is partially charged toward Eo, I get a larger background noise level than when I do the same to a highly conductive specimen. Now the effective Eo is diminished by the quantity of that surface charge on the sample. This charge will slow the electron down by some amount.
}

I agree. It is the same with identical specimen and lower Eo but without charging (if specimen would be conductive).


}
} Question: No matter what axis photon emission takes place and whether the EDX detector sees it, is this not braking radiation happening during the "free space" flight of the electron, prior to solid interaction?

A question of definition. It is radiation due to acceleration of charged particles. I would say 'Bremsstrahlung' too. It is Bremsstrahlung not in Coulomb field of 'single' nuclei, but in 'collective' electrical field due to specimen charging. In synchrotron the charged particle radiation due to acceleration in electrical or magnetical fields is called 'Synchrotron' radiation (different types, simple
synchrotron radiation, Wigglers and so on).


} If I had the EM column loaded with detectors at every conceivable angle, wouldn't they "see" these photons?

According my opinion, the flat mounted detectors will see them (0 degree take off angle, x-ray acceptance angle perpendicular to electron beam path). But I'm not sure!


Frank.

http://www.microanalyst.net




From daemon Mon Jun 30 01:55:10 2003



From: Frank Eggert :      Eggert-at-mikroanalytik.de
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:44:17 +0200
Subject: Re: [Bremsstrahlung Radiation]

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Hi Henk,

I don't know exactly, but a interesting question. As I remember, 20 keV
electrons
in SEM has 0.2c - relativistic too. Therefore, differences between TEM
and SEM
shouldn't be a question of relativistic considerations.

Electrons have very high energy and specimen are very thin in TEM, in
comparison to
SEM. That is why only the perpendicular acceleration due to Coulomb
field of nuclei
has a not zero probability. There is no chance for e.g. a full stop (not
enough
atoms along the electron path) and acceleration components in same
direction like
the electron flight path. Most electrons have no interaction in thin
specimen.
Electrons in SEM 'see' very thick specimens. They do interact with the
specimen
(100 per cent). There are high probabilities for acceleration components
in
flight path direction even before first interaction (Bremsstrahlung of
high energy
in perpendicular direction), but much more after first interaction
because of all
scattering processes.

May be, that is why in TEM the main components of Bremsstrahlung are
into electron
path direction and you are right. I'm not sure to be right in all
considerations.

Cheers,

Frank
http://www.microanalyst.net


"Hendrik O. Colijn" schrieb:

} Hi Frank,
}
} I'm a TEM guy, so I tend to think in terms of } 100kV energies. At
} relativistic velocities (which is true in TEM) the radiation becomes
} forward scattered in the lab frame of reference. I'm not sure how
true
} this is for SEM energies.
}
} cheers,
} Henk
}




From daemon Mon Jun 30 05:44:03 2003



From: Patton, David :      David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:33:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Re: molecular sieve drying

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I have seen postgraduate research areas where I suspect
the molecular sieve is never dried. The students used LR
White so it probably did not matter.

I use araldite or Spurr's resin and am a fanatic about dry
ethanol. I dry the molecular sieve when the bottle is
empty. I put it in a 200 degree C oven for 3hrs.

Dave



On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:56:17 -0500 Philip Oshel
{peoshel-at-wisc.edu} wrote:

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} Tom,
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} I would expect more problems with embedding resins, but ... I'm
} really a SEM jock, so, yes, I think -- I admit that -- that I see
} better drying with sieve-dried EtOH when looking at cell membranes in
} our high resolution FESEM. Lower magnifications, say { 10,000 X, may
} not show a big difference. But recall that during critical point
} drying, if there is free water within the specimen, then at least
} where the water is, you're drying from water not liquid CO2.
}
} Phil
}
} } And while we are on the subject of drying ethanol, what is the
} } feeling about whether this is necessary? What is the problem if
} } your "100%" ethanol has a small (1-2%) of water in it. I never dry
} } my ethanol. I used to only use fresh bottles but over the last
} } couple of years have evolved into using "recently opened" (less than
} } 2 weeks or so) bottles and see no difference. Am i losing something
} } in morphological quality or sectioning quality that I don't notice?
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From daemon Mon Jun 30 06:35:40 2003



From: ROSSCAC-at-aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:50:49 EDT
Subject: MSA help

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Hi all,

I just received a virus from webb-at-biosci.uq.edu.au filename
"your_details.zip"

DO NOT OPEN IT
I have not open it, just ran Norton Antivirus.


Pavel Lozovyy
ATC SEM Lab
Phone: 216-692-6637
E-mail: atclabs-at-sbcglobal.net
web: www.atclabs.com


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To: {atcsem-at-earthlink.net}
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:14 PM


Good day to all,
I have been a member of MSA for over 5 years now - I first joined in
Oklahoma. In Oklahoma, the local society was quite busy and I really
enjoyed being a part of a group of people that enjoyed the same things I did! My
current
problem is that I live in North Carolina where the local chapter seems to
have
completely died - or at least no one will let me know anything about
meetings
etc even after repeated request! My question - is there any other state
society near NC that would allow me the opportunity to join or does anyone
in the
national MSA society have suggestions as to how to start a local chapter or
revive the one that is suppose to be in NC?
Thanks a whole bunch,
Connie Cummings



From daemon Mon Jun 30 08:04:54 2003



From: Kestutis Smalinskas :      smalinskas-at-yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: SEM - which instrument to keep?

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Paul,

All things being equal I vote for keeping the JEOL 35.
I have used an ISI and a JEOL 35. My limited
personal experience was more positive with the JEOL
35. It's a higher-quality instrument. Others have
mentioned to me that ISI is a lower-quality
instrument.

Stu Smalinskas, P.E.
Metallurgist
(734) 414-6862
SKF USA
Plymouth, Michigan

----------------------------------------------------

Paul wrote:

We have two elderly SEM's: a JEOL 35 and a ISI DS 130.
One of the instruments must be surplussed. Which
instrument would you recomment to keep?



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From daemon Mon Jun 30 09:01:15 2003



From: MR ANDERSON BELLO :      andersonbello-at-o2.pl
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:52:28 -0700
Subject: HOW ARE YOU!

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MR ANDERSON BELLO .
ACCOUNTANT.NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM COROPERATION (NNPC)
DATE:30/06/2003
E-MAIL:andersonbello-at-mailsurf.com
andersonbello-at-o2.pl
ATTENTION:PLEASE

REQUEST FOR URGENT TRANSFER OF USD36.5 MILLION INTO YOUR COMPANY
OR PERSONAL ACCOUNT.

I AM MR.ANDERSON BELLO, AN ACCOUNTANT WITH THE NIGERIAN
NATIONAL PETROLEUM COROPERATION (NNPC) I CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN
MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON WHO CAN HANDLE A
VERY STRICTLY,CONFIDENTIAL TRANSACTION WHICH INVOLVES
TRANSFER OF A RESONALBE SUM OF MONEY TO A FOREIGN ACOUNT.

THERE IS USD$36.5M (THIRTY-SIX MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) IN MY DEPARTMENT AWAITING REMITTANCE.
THIS MONEY REPRESENTS THE SURPLUS OF AN
OVER VALUED CONTRACT EXECUTED FOR THE COROPERATION SOME YEARS
BACK. THIS CONTRACTHAS LONG BEEN COMPLETED BY A FOREIGN FIRM AND
THE CONTRACTOR DULY PAID. I NOW SEEK IF
YOU WOULD PERMIT THE SURPLUS TO BE REMITTED INTO YOUR PERSONAL /
COMPANY ACCOUNT, SOTHAT THE MONEY REMITTED WILL BE SHARED
MUTUALLY AMONG THE PARTIES COVERED INCLUDING
YOU.

HOWEVER, I WOULD WISH TO RECEIVE YOUR PERSONAL ASURANCE THAT YOU
WOULD NOT SIT ON THE MONEY WHEN IT GOES INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY, YOU KEEP CONFIDENTIAL
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THE OFFICIALS INVOLVED IN THIS. TENTATIVELY,WE HAVE AGREED THAT
60% OF THE MONEY GOES TO THE OFICERS WHERE
THIS MONEY ORIGINATED, 30% TO THE OWNER OF ACCOUNT, WHILE 10%
WOULD BE USED TO DEFRAY WHATEVER EXPPENSES THAT MAY BE INCURRED
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I WISH TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS TRANSACTION REQUIRES THE MOST
URGENT REPLY AND ATTENTION TO ENABLE US PULL OUT THIS MONEY
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YOU ARE EXPECTED TO FORWARD TO ME THROGUH MY PRAVATE E-MAIL
ADDRESS(bensonkuku-at-indiatimes.com) (A) NAME OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNT (B)
ACCOUNT NUMBER /BENEFICIARY (C) BANK ADDRESS/PARTICULARS (D)
PERSONAL TELEPHONE / FAX NUMBER . A MEETING OF ALL THE PARTIES
CONCERNED IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE FEW DAYS BEFORE THE REMITTANCE
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THE MEETING VENUE SHALL BE AGREED UPON BY THE PARTIES CONCERNED
BEFORE SHARING OF THE MONEY.
PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT ON COMPLETION OF THIS BUSINESS, I WILL
USE MY SHARE OF THE MONEY TO INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY, YOU
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From daemon Mon Jun 30 09:01:17 2003



From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?josephine=5Fkamara?= :      josephine_kamara-at-libero.it
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:53:23 +0200
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Mrs. JOSEPHINE KAMARA

Dear Sir,

I am Mrs. JOSEPHINE KAMARA and my Son is Fred Kamara.
I feel pleased contacting you personally with the hope to establish
good business relationship that is strongly rooted in truth and the fear
of God. I would honestly confide in you and seek your interest to
transact a well conceived and nurtured
business I have at hand. I am writing you in absolute confidence
primarily to
seek your assistance to transfer our cash of thirty Million Dollars
($30,000.000.00)
now in the custody of a private Security trust firm in Abidjan, the
money is in a trunk box deposited and declared as family valuables by my
late husband,as a matter of fact, the company does not know the content
as money, although my late husband made the management of the security
company to understand that the box belongs to his foreign partner.

Source of the money:

My late husband, Chief Vincent Kamara , a native of Mende District in
the Northerh province of Sierra Leone, was the General Manager of Sierra
Leone Mining
Corporation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown . According to my late husband, this
money was the income accrued from mining coporation's over draft and
minor sales. Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces of
Major Paul Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG peace keeping
operation that almost destroyed my
country, following the forceful removal from power of the civilian
elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My late husband had
already made arrangement for us be evacuated to Abidjan, Cote d' Ivoire
with the Certificate of Deposit issued to him by the security firm in
Abidjan.
During the war in my country, and following the indiscriminate looting
of Public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the Sierra
Leone Mining Corp. was one of the target looted and destroyed.

My late husband, including other top Government functionaries were
attacked and killed by the rebels in November 2000 because of his
relationship wi
usband´s death
dashed our hope of survival. I and my son are now alone in this strange
country suffering without any care or help. Without any relation, we
are now
like refugees.Our only hope now is in you and the box deposited in the
security firm. To this effect, I humbly solicityour assistance in the
followings ways.

1.to assist me claim this box from the security firm as our
beneficiary;

2.to transfer the money in your name to your country

3.to make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our
behalf in your country with you as our adviser;

4.To secure a college for my son in your country after the money has
been transferred to your account in your country.

For your assistance, I have agreed with my son to give you 20% of the
total amount for your efforts; 10 % to cover all the expenses that may
be incurred during the business transaction. Lastly, Iurge you to keep
this transaction strictly confidential as no one else knows our
whereabout.

Please, as you show your willingness, forward to us your full name,
address and Tel/ Fax numbers,and new email address. You can contact us
with these telephone numbers for more details: 00225 07 888 660.email addersse j_kamara20032003-at-yahoo.fr

Thanks and may God bless you as you assist us.

Best wishes,

Mrs. Josephine Kamara.











From daemon Mon Jun 30 09:01:25 2003



From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?josephine=5Fkamara?= :      josephine_kamara-at-libero.it
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:53:21 +0200
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Mrs. JOSEPHINE KAMARA

Dear Sir,

I am Mrs. JOSEPHINE KAMARA and my Son is Fred Kamara.
I feel pleased contacting you personally with the hope to establish
good business relationship that is strongly rooted in truth and the fear
of God. I would honestly confide in you and seek your interest to
transact a well conceived and nurtured
business I have at hand. I am writing you in absolute confidence
primarily to
seek your assistance to transfer our cash of thirty Million Dollars
($30,000.000.00)
now in the custody of a private Security trust firm in Abidjan, the
money is in a trunk box deposited and declared as family valuables by my
late husband,as a matter of fact, the company does not know the content
as money, although my late husband made the management of the security
company to understand that the box belongs to his foreign partner.

Source of the money:

My late husband, Chief Vincent Kamara , a native of Mende District in
the Northerh province of Sierra Leone, was the General Manager of Sierra
Leone Mining
Corporation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown . According to my late husband, this
money was the income accrued from mining coporation's over draft and
minor sales. Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces of
Major Paul Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG peace keeping
operation that almost destroyed my
country, following the forceful removal from power of the civilian
elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My late husband had
already made arrangement for us be evacuated to Abidjan, Cote d' Ivoire
with the Certificate of Deposit issued to him by the security firm in
Abidjan.
During the war in my country, and following the indiscriminate looting
of Public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the Sierra
Leone Mining Corp. was one of the target looted and destroyed.

My late husband, including other top Government functionaries were
attacked and killed by the rebels in November 2000 because of his
relationship wi
usband´s death
dashed our hope of survival. I and my son are now alone in this strange
country suffering without any care or help. Without any relation, we
are now
like refugees.Our only hope now is in you and the box deposited in the
security firm. To this effect, I humbly solicityour assistance in the
followings ways.

1.to assist me claim this box from the security firm as our
beneficiary;

2.to transfer the money in your name to your country

3.to make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our
behalf in your country with you as our adviser;

4.To secure a college for my son in your country after the money has
been transferred to your account in your country.

For your assistance, I have agreed with my son to give you 20% of the
total amount for your efforts; 10 % to cover all the expenses that may
be incurred during the business transaction. Lastly, Iurge you to keep
this transaction strictly confidential as no one else knows our
whereabout.

Please, as you show your willingness, forward to us your full name,
address and Tel/ Fax numbers,and new email address. You can contact us
with these telephone numbers for more details: 00225 07 888 660.email addersse j_kamara20032003-at-yahoo.fr

Thanks and may God bless you as you assist us.

Best wishes,

Mrs. Josephine Kamara.











From daemon Mon Jun 30 09:22:57 2003



From: Linda S. McCorkle :      Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:22:52 -0400
Subject: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM. I
want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200 nanometer range. The
problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter coat but in
order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open pathways and
totally coats over the primary silica particles.
I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a Balzer
Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at x250k and 200nm
somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of the native
silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the pores and
channels begin to close or fill in.
I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter in density not
filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary particles but
doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging in a manner that
lends itself to anything but low magnification photos. I've tried mounting
on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the isopropanol dissolves the
sample. I've tried varying degrees of the carbon and gold coat. I've tried
silver epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a thin line of the
carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed. Of
course with the native silica being so easily degraded the carbon paint was
actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the contact of the
existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper wire or copper tape from
the face of the sample to the sample holder. The problem being there is no
good method of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does
anyone please have a soluton?

Linda



Linda S. McCorkle
Ohio Aerospace Institute
Materials Division, Polymers Branch
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road
Cleveland, OH 44135

Tel.: (216) 433-3689
Fax: (216) 977-7132
e-mail: Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov



From daemon Mon Jun 30 09:37:38 2003



From: MicroscopyToday :      microtod-at-optonline.net
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Please subscribe via our web page: http://www.microscopy-today.com

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Microscopy Today
July/August 2003

Taking Correlative Microscopy to a New Level
Stephen W. Carmichael, Mayo Clinic
Imaging of Big and Messy Biological Structures Using Electron Tomography
Gina E. Sosinsky and Maryann E. Martone, University of California
A New Capability for Light Microscopes: Mid Infrared Molecular Analysis
Alan J. Rein, SensIR Technologies
Brightfield Illumination of Large Field Sizes
Theodore M. Clarke, Metallurgical Failure Analysis Consultant
Special Topic: Advanced Basics of Immunostaining and Antigen Retrieval
W. Gray (Jay) Jerome, Vanderbilt University
How To Get Some Action (In Photoshop)
Jerry Sedgewick, University of Minnesota
Macro Imaging with Digital Cameras
Bryan Burnett, Nyoptics, Inc./Meixa Tech and Steven Blaauw, Nyoptics,Inc.
Rapid Preparation of a Polymer Fiber and a Free-Standing Polymer Film for
Cross-Sectional Microtomy
Andreas Taubert, University of Basel, and James H. Ferris, and Karen
I. Winey University of Pennsylvania
M&M 2002: Core Facility Management Session: Maintaining Major Equipment in
the Core Microscopy Facility
Session Chair: Debby Sherman, Purdue University
Making Your Own Molds For The EM Lab
Mary Mager, University of British Columbia
Vascular Corrosion Casting
Fred E. Hossler, East Tennessee State University
Benzyldimethylamine (BDMA): Catalyst of Choice with Epoxy Embedding Media
José A. Mascorro, Tulane University Health Sciences Center
The Most Likely Sources of EDX Copper Peaks in Samples Run by TEM
Paul Beauregard, Chemist and Electron Microscopist





From daemon Mon Jun 30 10:48:25 2003



From: Jeff Thole :      thole-at-Macalester.edu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:33:21 -0500
Subject: Petrographic Slide Holder for SEM

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Dear Listserv members:

I am looking for help in finding and/or designing a petrographic slide
holder for our SEM. We have a Zeiss DSM960A with a 4-axis mechanical stage
(100x100mm travel). We currently have a 'homemade' holder with room for
one slide (26x46mm) OR one standard block (25mm diam.). I would like a
top-referencing holder for use with our Oxford EDS system.

I want to come up with something similar JEOL's multi-specimen holder
(model KR-6M150-58) and have considered buying this and modifying it for
our machine. Our main problem in our own designs is the machining involved
(we can do it in-house) and specifically, how do we top-reference a slide;
springs or clamps of some sort or maybe a hinged top plate or...??

How have other users tackled this problem when a specific holder is not
produced by your instrument manufacturer? I did not see any messages
relating to this in the archives. Any information or advice would be
tremendously appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Jeff Thole


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From daemon Mon Jun 30 13:55:47 2003



From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      dusevichv-at-umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:45:08 -0500
Subject: RE: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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For high magnifications I usually coat with Au/Pd
at 10 ma for 20-60 sec., depending on the roughness
of the specimens surface. Usually, when coating is thin
ehough, I do not observe it for magnifications up to 100-150k.
Sticky tape (and carbon paint) are not stable enough, so I prefer
to glue specimens with Quick Gel superglue (drying it overnight).

Vladimir M. Dusevich, Ph.D.
Electron Microscope Lab Manager
3127 School of Dentistry
650 E. 25th Street
Kansas City, MO 64108-2784

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} Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:23 AM
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} I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi
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} want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200
} nanometer range. The
} problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
} I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium
} sputter coat but in
} order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
} substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open
} pathways and
} totally coats over the primary silica particles.
} I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with
} a Balzer
} Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
} seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at
} x250k and 200nm
} somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of
} the native
} silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the
} pores and
} channels begin to close or fill in.
} I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's
} lighter in density not
} filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary
} particles but
} doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging in
} a manner that
} lends itself to anything but low magnification photos. I've
} tried mounting
} on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the isopropanol
} dissolves the
} sample. I've tried varying degrees of the carbon and gold
} coat. I've tried
} silver epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a
} thin line of the
} carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed. Of
} course with the native silica being so easily degraded the
} carbon paint was
} actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the
} contact of the
} existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper wire or
} copper tape from
} the face of the sample to the sample holder. The problem
} being there is no
} good method of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out
} of ideas. Does
} anyone please have a soluton?
}
} Linda
}
}
}
} Linda S. McCorkle
} Ohio Aerospace Institute
} Materials Division, Polymers Branch
} NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
} 21000 Brookpark Road
} Cleveland, OH 44135
}
} Tel.: (216) 433-3689
} Fax: (216) 977-7132
} e-mail: Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov
}
}
}


From daemon Mon Jun 30 14:21:52 2003



From: NPGSlithography-at-aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:13:27 EDT
Subject: Re: field cancellation and shielding for EM room

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Dear Paula,

Before you use the expensive solutions of room shielding or field canceling,
you should determine the source(s) of the field(s). In some cases, large
fields can be produced by simple wiring problems that can be fixed relatively
easily once they are identified. In other cases, the sources of the fields can be
shielded or moved, or may even be associated with the SEM that you are
replacing.

An inexpensive gauss meter can be used to locate the typical sources of
magnetic fields. See the section "11. Magnetic Shielding and Gauss Meters" at
"www.jcnabity.com/links.htm". (Note: I do not have any financial interest in the
companies listed, but have found them to be useful.)

Joe
_________________________________________
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JC Nabity Lithography Systems
E-Beam Lithography using Commercial SEMs & STEMs
PO Box 5354, Bozeman, MT 59717 USA
Voice: (406) 587-0848
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From daemon Mon Jun 30 16:09:12 2003



From: Tobias Baskin :      Baskin-at-bio.umass.edu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:59:00 -0400
Subject: RGB to CMMYK

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Group,
Is there a way to convert an RGB image to a CMMYK image
without having the colors go "haywire"? I ask on behalf of a colleage
who has a request to submit an image for publication in the CMMYK
format, an image that he made in RGB. If you reply, please be sure to
include his email (cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu) because he is not a
subscriber.

Thanks,
Tobias
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of Massachusetts
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From daemon Mon Jun 30 16:13:43 2003



From: Walck, Scott D. :      walck-at-ppg.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:05:42 -0400
Subject: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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What imaging conditions are you using? In my evaluations of FE-SEM's, that included the Hitachi 4700, we examined uncoated silica aerogel samples. I mounted them using carbon paint on a stub. We used a voltage of about 1 kV and a working distance of about 2 mm if I recall correctly. There were some issues with drift, but we used a continuous average mode, soaked the sample at a lower mag than what we wanted to take the micrograph for a few minutes, focused out of the area that we took the picture and brought it back in and took the picture when the image stabilized. We were able to look at all of the samples in the 50kX -150kX range on all of the systems without too much trouble.

BTW, we bought the LEO 1530.

-Scott

Scott D. Walck, Ph.D.
PPG Industries, Inc.
Glass Technology Center
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} From: Linda S. McCorkle [mailto:Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com


I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM. I
want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200 nanometer range. The
problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter coat but in
order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open pathways and
totally coats over the primary silica particles.
I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a Balzer
Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at x250k and 200nm
somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of the native
silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the pores and
channels begin to close or fill in.
I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter in density not
filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary particles but
doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging in a manner that
lends itself to anything but low magnification photos. I've tried mounting
on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the isopropanol dissolves the
sample. I've tried varying degrees of the carbon and gold coat. I've tried
silver epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a thin line of the
carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed. Of
course with the native silica being so easily degraded the carbon paint was
actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the contact of the
existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper wire or copper tape from
the face of the sample to the sample holder. The problem being there is no
good method of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does
anyone please have a soluton?

Linda



Linda S. McCorkle
Ohio Aerospace Institute
Materials Division, Polymers Branch
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road
Cleveland, OH 44135

Tel.: (216) 433-3689
Fax: (216) 977-7132
e-mail: Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov



From daemon Mon Jun 30 16:57:20 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:52:10 -0700
Subject: re: drying

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Ritchie
Yes, I do believe, the fermentation is major way to make
ethanol. Contrary, 200 proof ethanol in US made using direct synthesis
from ethane according my friend's information. To us it means that such
alcohol is very clean from any contamination including water. In
Russia we did not have "200 proof ethanol". We had "absolute ethanol",
which was dehydrated with CuSO4 I believe. In the beginning, I was so picky
to use "200 proof ethanol" because of possible water contamination.
Nevertheless, I am using it now without any problems. I do find it very
economical: I used half of the bottle as "100%" and the rest of the bottle
to make 30,50,70,95% Et-OH for dehydratation steps. So, I utilized 100%
of the stuff. It's a little bit risky, because you relied on unknown
quality, so to be sure, you definitely need to use "molecular sieve". Sergey

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From: Becky Holdford :      r-holdford-at-ti.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:24:59 -0500
Subject: Re: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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Linda: you didn't say what kV accelerating voltage you were using. You might try
varying the accelerating voltage to see if you can find a voltage that results in a
non-charging (or very minimally-charging) sample. You might try anywhere from 0.5kV
to 2 kV. Another alternative is to find a colleague with a variable-pressure SEM with
a secondary electron detector that functions in the VP mode (as opposed to the BSD).

"Linda S. McCorkle" wrote:

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} I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM. I
} want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200 nanometer range. The
} problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
} I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter coat but in
} order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
} substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open pathways and
} totally coats over the primary silica particles.
} I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a Balzer
} Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
} seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at x250k and 200nm
} somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of the native
} silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the pores and
} channels begin to close or fill in.
} I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter in density not
} filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary particles but
} doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging in a manner that
} lends itself to anything but low magnification photos. I've tried mounting
} on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the isopropanol dissolves the
} sample. I've tried varying degrees of the carbon and gold coat. I've tried
} silver epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a thin line of the
} carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed. Of
} course with the native silica being so easily degraded the carbon paint was
} actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the contact of the
} existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper wire or copper tape from
} the face of the sample to the sample holder. The problem being there is no
} good method of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does
} anyone please have a soluton?
}
} Linda
}
}
} Linda S. McCorkle
} Ohio Aerospace Institute
} Materials Division, Polymers Branch
} NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
} 21000 Brookpark Road
} Cleveland, OH 44135
}
} Tel.: (216) 433-3689
} Fax: (216) 977-7132
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From daemon Mon Jun 30 19:14:56 2003



From: Sergey Ryazantsev :      sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:06:58 -0700
Subject: Re: RGB to CMMYK

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In practice, it is not possible to convert RGB into CYMK without hassle. In
Photoshop, if you will go to the color palette in RGB an pick some colors
close to the upper right corner of the palette, you will see "!" mark
indicating that this color will not be reproduced correctly when
printing. CYMK palette in general represents colors how it will be on the
paper, RGB - on screen. So, if you have those colors with "!" mark in the
picture - they will be translated into CYMK incorrectly. Similarly, you
will see "!" in the navigator window if color does not match CYMK
palette. Good luck! Sergey

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From daemon Tue Jul 1 02:25:11 2003



From: jo verbeeck :      joverbee-at-ruca.ua.ac.be
Date: 01 Jul 2003 09:15:53 +0200
Subject: Digital Image file format

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Hi,

I was wondering wether there is a non-commercial file format for storing
microscopy images with additional data (like magnification etc) attached
to it in a standardized way.
There is an MSA EELS format which stores EELS spectra, but I never came
across an image format which has the same goal. I`ve read some comments
on TIFF images on this list (which seem a good way to go to me). Is
anybody working on this, or does it exist already?

Jo
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 04:48:55 2003



From: Peter Van Osta :      pvosta-at-unionbio-eu.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:38:38 +0200
Subject: 3CCD progressive scan camera C-mount

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Hi,

I am looking for a 3CCD color video camera (PAL) which is capable of
progressive scan and
which can be used on a microscope with a C-mount adapter ?

Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,

Peter Van Osta

Union Biometrica N.V./S.A.
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 06:01:00 2003



From: william Riley :      wriley-at-rcn.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:56:48 -0400
Subject: aerogel

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Linda,
}
} Aerogel is without doubt, one of the more difficult samples to look at in
} the SEM. It seems you are trying all the right things, but you did not
} mention the actual microscope conditions you were using. Aerogel is very
} beam sensitive and I remember some years ago having some success looking at
} it at 700 volts, very low beam current. I remember also looking at as thin a
} piece of it as I could and sticking it in a bed of carbon paint.
} I hope this helps in some way--keep trying!
}
} bill riley



From daemon Tue Jul 1 06:37:15 2003



From: David Elliott Ph.D. :      David.Elliott-at-yale.edu
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:26:00 -0400
Subject: Re: RGB to CMMYK

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There are some better ways to convert to CMYK (Photoshop comes to
mind), but you must remember that the CMYK color space can't reproduce
many RGB colors. A pure green will never be reproduced in CMYK. This
is a fact of printing on paper, rather than on a monitor. Many of the
color aberrations seen when color spaces are changed are due to the
monitor you are using. If it has not been specifically calibrated for
print publishing, the colors are quite likely to be off. This is
especially true if you are using a flat screen monitor. It may be
worth your while to convert to CMYK, and then get a professional print
made of your figure (Staples, or some such place) and see if you can
live with the colors.
David


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} image that he made in RGB. If you reply, please be sure to include his
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} Thanks,
} Tobias
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From: Sven Terclavers :      Sven.Terclavers-at-med.kuleuven.ac.be
Date: dinsdag 01 juli 2003 15:18:06
Subject: 3CCD progressive scan camera C-mount

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Peter,

I think a Sony DXC-9100P will do the job! But the resolution is only about
768*576, is this enough?
Maybe another possibility might be the DT1100 HR (1392*1040) from DuncanTech
but I don't know any specifications, just the name and company...
Best regards,

Sven Terclavers

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Hi,

I am looking for a 3CCD color video camera (PAL) which is capable of
progressive scan and
which can be used on a microscope with a C-mount adapter ?

Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,

Peter Van Osta

Union Biometrica N.V./S.A.
European Scientific Operations (ESO)
Cipalstraat 3
B-2440 Geel
Belgium
Tel.: +32 (0)14 570 619
Fax.: +32 (0)14 570 621

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From daemon Tue Jul 1 09:21:56 2003



From: Philip Oshel :      peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:40:18 -0500
Subject: Re: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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Do you have access to an ion-beam coater? I should think there would
be one in your neck of the woods -- Ohio State, or Wright Patterson
AFB, if there isn't one in Cleveland.
We routinely use one with a platinum target for high resolution SEM
of subcellular structures, gels, etc., and I don't coating effects
until 300 - 400,000X normally. Depending on thickness -- normally we
use 1 - 2 nm.
Phil

} I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700
} FE-SEM. I want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200
} nanometer range. The problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
} I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter
} coat but in order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the
} coating is substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or
} open pathways and totally coats over the primary silica particles.
} I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a
} Balzer Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20
} and 30 seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at
} x250k and 200nm somewhat mimics photographically the channels and
} porosity of the native silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and
} 30 seconds the pores and channels begin to close or fill in.
} I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter
} in density not filling in pores and channels and not obliterating
} primary particles but doesn't seem to be conductive enough to
} dissipate charging in a manner that lends itself to anything but low
} magnification photos. I've tried mounting on carbon tape, and/or
} carbon paint but the isopropanol dissolves the sample. I've tried
} varying degrees of the carbon and gold coat. I've tried silver
} epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a thin line of the
} carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed.
} Of course with the native silica being so easily degraded the carbon
} paint was actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the
} contact of the existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper
} wire or copper tape from the face of the sample to the sample
} holder. The problem being there is no good method of adhesion to the
} sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does anyone please have a
} soluton?
}
} Linda
}
}
}
} Linda S. McCorkle
} Ohio Aerospace Institute
} Materials Division, Polymers Branch
} NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
} 21000 Brookpark Road
} Cleveland, OH 44135
}
} Tel.: (216) 433-3689
} Fax: (216) 977-7132
} e-mail: Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov

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University of Wisconsin
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 09:22:14 2003



From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:43:17 -0230
Subject: RE: RGB to CMMYK

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Tobias writes ...

} Is there a way to convert an RGB image to a CMMYK image
} without having the colors go "haywire"? I ask on behalf of a colleage
} who has a request to submit an image for publication in the CMMYK
} format, an image that he made in RGB. If you reply, please be sure to
} include his email (cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu) because he is not a
} subscriber.

I am always surprised when publishers ask for CMYK. Since RGB=} CMYK
conversions need CMYK (ink) definitions, how do they expect you to know what
the definitions are? Or, they should at least ask you to convert using
specific definitions as provided by Photoshop (e.g., Euroscale coated, U.S.
sheetfed coated, ...).

As you may now know, ... since RGB=} CMYK involves CRT color definitions
(or working color space definitions) going to ink+paper color definitions,
there is no way to keep the colors from going "haywire" (i.e., out of
gamut).

hth & cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
www.micro-investigations.com (in progress)




From daemon Tue Jul 1 09:23:26 2003



From: Ron Allerton :      rsallerton-at-caribsurf.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:15:25 -0400
Subject: Re-coating of microscope optics

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1009, Tuesday
1 July 2003

Dear Sirs/Madams:

We have an Olympus fluorescent microscope in which the coatings on
virtually every lens are beginning to deteriorate.

I am searching for a service to re-coat or otherwise recondition the lenses
on our system. It is a model identified as an Olympus Vanox-T T041.

If you are not the correct provider, can you refer us to a proper resource
or post this inquiry on a bulletin board on the Net??

Thank you for your kind attention to this request.

Best Wishes,

Dr. Ron Allerton
Professor of Chemistry and University Coordinator
Medical University of the Americas
Charlestown, Nevis WEST INDIES

rsallerton-at-caribsurf.com
869-469-9177




From daemon Tue Jul 1 10:30:21 2003



From: MicroscopyToday :      microtod-at-optonline.net
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:16:49 -0400
Subject: RGB to CMMYK

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Sure, I do it all the time for Microscopy Today--thanks to Jerry Sedgewick's
Photoshop book!*

Here's what to do:
In RGB mode, before conversion, under view, select gamut warning
(ctrl-shift-y)**. The out-of-gamut colors in the RGB image will turn gray.
Open the 'image/adjust/hue and saturation' box and adjust saturation, color
by color (in the drop down box) until the gray overlay disappears, bump up
the lightness and then increase saturation a bit until you find the
saturation and lightness compromise that doesn't effect contrast too much.
Flip in and out of gamut warning to view your progress. You may have to
cycle through the color drop down box more than once. Convert to CMYK when
finished (Not before!). Try it with copies of images until you become
skilled.

Ron

* "Quick Photoshop for Research" Kluwer Academic/Plenum ISBN:
0-306-47375-5. 2002.

** Gamut refers to the range of colors visible in any color system. There
are more hues and saturations possible in RGB vs. CMYK. Colors that you see
in RGB that you can't see in CMYK are "out of gamut" with respect to CMYK.

-----Original Message-----
} From: Tobias Baskin [mailto:Baskin-at-bio.umass.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:59 PM
To: Microscopy-at-sparc5.microscopy.com
Cc: cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu


Group,
Is there a way to convert an RGB image to a CMMYK image
without having the colors go "haywire"? I ask on behalf of a colleage
who has a request to submit an image for publication in the CMMYK
format, an image that he made in RGB. If you reply, please be sure to
include his email (cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu) because he is not a
subscriber.

Thanks,
Tobias
--
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/ \ / / \ / \ \ Biology Department
/ / / / \ \ \ University
of Massachusetts
/_ / __ /__ \ \ \__ Amherst, MA, 01003
/ / / \ \ \
/ / / \ \ \ Voice:
413 - 545 - 1533
/ / ___ / \ \__/ \ ____
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 10:32:03 2003



From: Mike Bode :      mb-at-Soft-Imaging.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:22:48 -0600
Subject: Digital Image file format

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Jo,

there are many different formats that are being used by different programs.
TIFF (or TIF, Tagged Image File Format) is one of the most flexible and
seems to be a de-facto standard now. It is now in revision 6, I believe. The
format allows not only for data, but also for meta-data, such as
magnification, etc., to be stored. It also allows for multiple images in a
file, compression, and other goodies. There is a set of "public" tags, which
include magnification, and each user can define "private" tags, which are
simply ignored by other programs.
There are also some drawbacks. For example the tag "magnification". If you
put in a large number there, some programs (Word used to do it), would
interpret this as information about how big you wanted the image displayed
in a document. If the tag was, let's say "1000", Word would interpret this
as "the image is 1000 times as large as the original", and try to print it
at the original size, resulting in an image a few pixels across. Not good.
There are other image formats, some of them require royalty payments (GIF),
other store only image data (BMP, JPG). As I mentioned above, TIF seems to
be the de-facto standard.

mike



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-----Original Message-----
} From: jo verbeeck [mailto:joverbee-at-ruca.ua.ac.be]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:16 AM
To: MSA listserver


Hi,

I was wondering wether there is a non-commercial file format for storing
microscopy images with additional data (like magnification etc) attached
to it in a standardized way.
There is an MSA EELS format which stores EELS spectra, but I never came
across an image format which has the same goal. I`ve read some comments
on TIFF images on this list (which seem a good way to go to me). Is
anybody working on this, or does it exist already?

Jo
--
Dr. J. Verbeeck
Electron Microscopy for Materials Research
University of Antwerp, Belgium



From daemon Tue Jul 1 11:31:39 2003



From: Patton, David :      David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:15:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Re: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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No relevant experience still .... Perhaps you could get
access to a sputter coating unit for a metal which gives a
finer coat eg chromium. Some companies have some sort of
osmium "coating" device.

Dave


On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:24:59 -0500 Becky Holdford
{r-holdford-at-ti.com} wrote:

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} Linda: you didn't say what kV accelerating voltage you were using. You might try
} varying the accelerating voltage to see if you can find a voltage that results in a
} non-charging (or very minimally-charging) sample. You might try anywhere from 0.5kV
} to 2 kV. Another alternative is to find a colleague with a variable-pressure SEM with
} a secondary electron detector that functions in the VP mode (as opposed to the BSD).
}
} "Linda S. McCorkle" wrote:
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} } I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM. I
} } want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200 nanometer range. The
} } problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
} } I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter coat but in
} } order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
} } substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open pathways and
} } totally coats over the primary silica particles.
} } I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a Balzer
} } Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
} } seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at x250k and 200nm
} } somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of the native
} } silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the pores and
} } channels begin to close or fill in.
} } I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter in density not
} } filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary particles but
} } doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging in a manner that
} } lends itself to anything but low magnification photos. I've tried mounting
} } on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the isopropanol dissolves the
} } sample. I've tried varying degrees of the carbon and gold coat. I've tried
} } silver epoxy, I've even tried, after the coating running a thin line of the
} } carbon paint up the side of the sample onto the area to be viewed. Of
} } course with the native silica being so easily degraded the carbon paint was
} } actually eating away the silica aerogel and breaking the contact of the
} } existing coating. I've tried running a thin copper wire or copper tape from
} } the face of the sample to the sample holder. The problem being there is no
} } good method of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does
} } anyone please have a soluton?
} }
} } Linda
} }
} }
} } Linda S. McCorkle
} } Ohio Aerospace Institute
} } Materials Division, Polymers Branch
} } NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
} } 21000 Brookpark Road
} } Cleveland, OH 44135
} }
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} } Fax: (216) 977-7132
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}
}
}

----------------------------------------
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Email: David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk
"University of the West of England"



From daemon Tue Jul 1 11:31:45 2003



From: Ken Gaugler :      ken-at-gaugler.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:15:16 -0700
Subject: Re: SEM of Native Silica Aerogel

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Linda,

One of the other responders to your post mentioned the technique of
moving around on the specimen to minimize localized charging on the
specimen surface. This technique takes a little practice, but is the
best way to manage a specimen like Silica Aerogel.

At Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, we sometimes wrapped the specimen in
aluminum foil, with a small hole approximately 2~3mm in diameter through
which we would view the specimen. This worked well for Auger analysis too.

Hope this helps,
Ken Gaugler


Linda S. McCorkle wrote:
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} I am trying to look at a native silica aerogel in a Hitachi S4700
} FE-SEM. I want to look at a fractured specimen in a 100 to 200 nanometer
} range. The problem seems to be optimal sample preparation.
} I can view the sample with a gold or gold/palladium sputter coat but
} in order to view at the magnification I'm looking for the coating is
} substantial enough that it fills in some of the pores or open pathways
} and totally coats over the primary silica particles.
} I have a comparison of gold sputtered onto a glass slide with a Balzer
} Coater, 40 ma and 1.5 inches to the top of the jar at 10, 20 and 30
} seconds. The ten second sputter coating viewed by SEM at x250k and 200nm
} somewhat mimics photographically the channels and porosity of the native
} silica. At the higher sputter times of 20 and 30 seconds the pores and
} channels begin to close or fill in.
} I have also tried a carbon deposition coating. It's lighter in
} density not filling in pores and channels and not obliterating primary
} particles but doesn't seem to be conductive enough to dissipate charging
} in a manner that lends itself to anything but low magnification photos.
} I've tried mounting on carbon tape, and/or carbon paint but the
} isopropanol dissolves the sample. I've tried varying degrees of the
} carbon and gold coat. I've tried silver epoxy, I've even tried, after
} the coating running a thin line of the carbon paint up the side of the
} sample onto the area to be viewed. Of course with the native silica
} being so easily degraded the carbon paint was actually eating away the
} silica aerogel and breaking the contact of the existing coating. I've
} tried running a thin copper wire or copper tape from the face of the
} sample to the sample holder. The problem being there is no good method
} of adhesion to the sample. I have simply run out of ideas. Does anyone
} please have a soluton?
}
} Linda
}
}
}
} Linda S. McCorkle
} Ohio Aerospace Institute
} Materials Division, Polymers Branch
} NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
} 21000 Brookpark Road
} Cleveland, OH 44135
}
} Tel.: (216) 433-3689
} Fax: (216) 977-7132
} e-mail: Linda.S.McCorkle-at-grc.nasa.gov
}
}


--
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 11:46:07 2003



From: Martin Ramirez :      ramirez-at-amnh.org
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:40:40 -0300
Subject: managing data from digital pictures

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Hi Jo,

A while ago I posted a message on this issue (pasted below). Here's a
brief of what I could get to the moment.

At least TIFF and JPG formats have more or less standardized tagged fields
to store metadata (= data on the image itself). The appropriate place to
store microscope and image setting data seems to be the EXIF fields. (See
Digital Still Camera Image File Format Standard. Version
2.1. JEIDA-49-1998.
http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/service/digCam/exifStandard.pdf.
A more recent draft in www.dpnet.com.cn/download/software/exif22.pdf.)

Several programs let you view and/or access the data stored on the EXIF
fields, e.g., Photostudio (freeware), IMatch (shareware, $50). Using
Photostudio, I can see that our SEM FEI XL stores all the microscope
settings and image data in one EXIF field (#8778).

Digital cameras use the more or less standardized EXIF fields for date,
resolution, size, etc., while storing other specific data (exposure, flash,
diafragm, etc.) in non-standard, proprietary fields. For accessing and
managing such data, you need a filter that tells you what to look for in
what field. The funny thing is that camera makers tend to keep this
information secret (I presume they trade the format specifications with
software makers over a commercial agreement). There are several
non-official filters that will permit you to read, manage, and edit these
camera-specific EXIF fields. I only know those of IMatch
(http://www.photools.com/, manual in
http://www.photools.net/bin/imatchdoc.zip).

Some microscope makers store all image and microscope settings in only one
EXIF field, while leaving the more standardized fields empty. For example,
the EXIF field 8778 in our SEM FEI XL looks like this:

[DatabarData]
flAccV = 20000.000
flSpot = 6.000
flMagn = 1.76099836826
lDetName = 0
flWD = 10.004
lScanSpeed = 0
FilterMode = 1
Definition = 177
szUserText = CERI09.TIF
ImageName = CERI09.TIF
flIonAccV = 0.000
flIonSpot = 0.000
flIonMagn = 0.00000
flIonWD = 0.000
iImageType = 0

[ImageDevice]
DeviceName = 1
SizeY = 93.00000
RatioXY = 1.33300

[MachineData]
Magic = 19544
Version = 1536
MachineType = 3
MachineNumber = 6992
NrOfVectors = 1
XLFileType = 0

[Vector]
flStageXPosition = -2263000
flStageYPosition = -2311543
SpecimenRotation = 138610588
SpecimenTilt = 0
Magnification = 26.405
HighTension = 20000.000
FWD = 10.004
ScanRotation = 0.000
BeamShiftX = -0.00499
BeamShiftY = -0.00243
ProbeCurrent = 6.000
StigmatorX = 0.00000
StigmatorY = 0.00000
NrOfScanPresets = 5

(etc.)

Some microscopes produce one text file for every image, with all this
data. For example, the Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM produces a file with the same
name as the image and .txt extension, looking like this:

[SemImageFile]
InstructName=S-4700
FileName=xxxx 371bALSleft.tif
SampleName=
DataNumber=
Date=11/10/2001
Time=7:30:02 PM
Media=HD[ ]
DataSize=2560x1920
Magnification=700
AcceleratingVoltage=10000 Volt
EmissionCurrent=6500 nA
WorkingDistance=27200 um
SignalName=SE(M)
SubMagnification=0
SubSignalName=
PhotoSize=1000
Vacuum=
MicronMarker=50000
SpecimenBias=1
Condencer1=5000
ScanSpeed=Slow4
CalibrationScanSpeed=25
LensMode=Normal
ColorMode=Grayscale
ColorPalette=
ScreenMode=Standard Screen
Comment=
KeyWord1=
KeyWord2=
Condition=Vacc=10kV Mag=x700 WD=27.2mm
DataDisplayCombine=1

In either case, one could easily extract this information with a script in
a text editor (i.e., building your own filter), and then load the data in
your system of choice.

It seems that other microscope makers went a step beyond, and are way more
cryptic. The SEM LEO 1430 VP stores in the EXIF filed 8546 something like
this:

0
0
4.307644e-007
2.660000e+002
15
1.074000e+004
3.279000e+000
4.226650e-010
2.213681e-002
1
4.307644e-007
2.660000e+002
15
1.074000e+004
3.279000e+000
4.226650e-010
2.213681e-002

(etc. Are these the settings? Who knows...)

In some cases the software that controls the microscope has basic
capabilities to build databases with this information. But that machine is
typically heavily used by many users on a tight schedule, and it won't help
if you collaborate with other researchers using different microscopes.

The microscope image managing programs have specific filters for each
microscope type. For instance, the one by Soft Imaging
(http://www.soft-imaging.net/) has filters for many microscope makers. If
you install the freeware Soft Imaging Viewer, it seems that only the filter
for the FEI is activated, the rest are blocked. You can read the metadata
from each image, but not really manage it. The full version supposedly has
all these filters active and permits data manipulation--but it is expensive.

Reading the EXIF fields or the text files associated with the image,
copying to the clipboard, and pasting fragments in a database (or in more
meaningful EXIF fields) could work for a few images, but it is not a
solution for large batches and for the everyday work.

The question is how we can efficiently manage the data associated with the
images, if we don't have the resources for expensive microscope image software.

First of all, knowing the specifications for metadata storage by each
microscope is a great start. (For instance, do somebody know how to read
the SEM LEO 1430 VP data?)

Ideally, there should be a standard format such that one knows where to
look for magnification, KV, etc., in any image coming from a
microscope. But if camera makers cannot converge on a standard, I doubt
that microscope makers, which seem to be moving in the opposite direction,
will converge ever. Perhaps the microscopy community could come to agree
on a standard (I think there are such standards in the health sciences)
that we all can use to properly document, transmit, and manage our
data--it's a lot of work though.


Best regards,

Martín J. Ramírez
División Aracnología
Museo Argentino de Ciencias Naturales
Av. Angel Gallardo 470
C1405DJR Buenos Aires
Argentina
tel +54 11 4982-8370
fax +54 11 4982-4494



} Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:17:12 -0300
} Hi all,
}
} I wonder if there are standard (or usual) ways for storing setting data
} from electron microscopes (magnification, working distance, acceleration
} V, etc.) into the image file itself, such that they can be automatically
} imported to a database. Some other devices (like digital cameras)
} automatically use the IPTC or EXIF fields for this.
}
} Any general idea about how preserve and manage these data together with
} the images will be very welcome.
}
} Martín J. Ramírez



} Hi,
}
} I was wondering wether there is a non-commercial file format for storing
} microscopy images with additional data (like magnification etc) attached
} to it in a standardized way.
} There is an MSA EELS format which stores EELS spectra, but I never came
} across an image format which has the same goal. I`ve read some comments
} on TIFF images on this list (which seem a good way to go to me). Is
} anybody working on this, or does it exist already?
}
} Jo
} --
} Dr. J. Verbeeck
} Electron Microscopy for Materials Research
} University of Antwerp, Belgium



From daemon Tue Jul 1 12:52:41 2003



From: Scott Whittaker :      Whittaker.scott-at-nmnh.si.edu
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:41:52 -0400
Subject: SEM Bug guts

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I have a researcher who dissected out a beetle stomach, digested much of the
tissue away with KOH and wants to examine the contents to identify the
pollen it was feeding on. There was still a sheath of tissue around it so we
ran it through alcohol, placed it and a drop of alcohol between 2 slides,
and froze it in liquid nitrogen. When I snapped it apart it just fractured
in cross section rather than the longitudinal plane I had hoped. I then
stuck a piece of tape over and ripped it off. Basically we ended up just
destroying everything, but one of the pieces looked like it might have been
some kind of pollen grain at one time or other.

Has anyone done this before? The entire stomach is about 4-500um long and
under the light microscope we can see several grains that look like they
could be pollen. Any suggestions on how to get them out and captured for SEM
examination?? I only have a couple more so experimentation is out and I am
running out of time.


Thanks

Scott Whittaker
Laboratories of Analytical Biology
Smithsonian Institution
National Museum of Natural History
PO Box 37012 MRC104
Washington DC 20013-7012
202-357-1651



From daemon Tue Jul 1 13:07:50 2003



From: Michael Cammer :      cammer-at-aecom.yu.edu
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:59:25 -0400
Subject: Re: RGB to CMYK

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The short answer is no.

A longer answer is...

When creating images in Photoshop in RGB space that will be converted to
CMYK later, there is a Preview in CMYK mode that should be turned on. The
reason is that CMYK is for four color separation ink printing and cannot
reproduce many of the more saturated colors in particular, especially the
greens, of RGB.

What I do is to keep the image RGB so that info isn't lost, go into the
CMYK preview mode and readjust the image to something suitable but
admittedly less vivid, and then convert to CMYK.




} Group,
} Is there a way to convert an RGB image to a CMMYK image without
} having the colors go "haywire"? I ask on behalf of a colleage who has a
} request to submit an image for publication in the CMMYK format, an image
} that he made in RGB. If you reply, please be sure to include his email
} (cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu) because he is not a subscriber.
}
} Thanks,
} Tobias

____________________________________________________________________________
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 14:53:29 2003



From: Ron Allerton :      rsallerton-at-caribsurf.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:41:13 -0400
Subject: Re-coating of microscope optics

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1009, Tuesday
1 July 2003

Dear Sirs/Madams:

We have an Olympus fluorescent microscope in which the coatings on
virtually every lens are beginning to deteriorate.

I am searching for a service to re-coat or otherwise recondition the lenses
on our system. It is a model identified as an Olympus Vanox-T T041.

If you are not the correct provider, can you refer us to a proper resource
or post this inquiry on a bulletin board on the Net??

Thank you for your kind attention to this request.

Best Wishes,

Dr. Ron Allerton
Professor of Chemistry and University Coordinator
Medical University of the Americas
Charlestown, Nevis WEST INDIES

rsallerton-at-caribsurf.com
869-469-9177




From daemon Tue Jul 1 16:22:40 2003



From: Walck, Scott D. :      walck-at-ppg.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:12:03 -0400
Subject: TIFF images in Visual Basic 6

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Is there anyone out there in ListserverLand that has found a way to bring TIF images into Visual Basic 6.0 and work with them? Since I'm doing this for myself, I don't want to buy a commercial package because they pretty expensive. If you have an example of programming code, it would be greatly appreciated.

-Scott

Scott D. Walck, Ph.D.
PPG Industries, Inc.
Glass Technology Center
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From daemon Tue Jul 1 18:00:28 2003



From: Warren E Straszheim :      wesaia-at-iastate.edu
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:48:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Petrographic Slide Holder for SEM

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We also have an Oxford EDS, but we have a Hitachi S-2460N rather than a Zeiss.

We have made numerous holders over the years for our scope to accommodate
various sample forms. It is certainly nice to have a top referencing
holder. It would be one less thing to be concerned about. However, we
normally cannot count on all of our samples being at the same working
distance even then. We still have to do a little focusing as we move from
sample to sample. But when we do the focusing, we try to do most, if not
all, of it by using the Z control. We initially set the focal length of the
beam at that distance best for x-ray analysis, and then bring the samples
to that focal plane.

Therefore, a top referencing holder would eliminate gross adjustments in Z
moving from sample to sample, but it is more of a convenience than a
necessity. I would probably give up the idea of the top reference and just
have the shop machine a holder for a standard and a common thickness of
slide plus sample and expect to make fine adjustments in Z as I move
between them.

Warren

At 10:33 AM 6/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:

} Dear Listserv members:
}
} I am looking for help in finding and/or designing a petrographic slide
} holder for our SEM. We have a Zeiss DSM960A with a 4-axis mechanical
} stage (100x100mm travel). We currently have a 'homemade' holder with room
} for one slide (26x46mm) OR one standard block (25mm diam.). I would like
} a top-referencing holder for use with our Oxford EDS system.
}
} I want to come up with something similar JEOL's multi-specimen holder
} (model KR-6M150-58) and have considered buying this and modifying it for
} our machine. Our main problem in our own designs is the machining
} involved (we can do it in-house) and specifically, how do we top-reference
} a slide; springs or clamps of some sort or maybe a hinged top plate or...??
}
} How have other users tackled this problem when a specific holder is not
} produced by your instrument manufacturer? I did not see any messages
} relating to this in the archives. Any information or advice would be
} tremendously appreciated.
}
} Thanks for your time.
}
} Jeff Thole
}
} Jeff Thole - Geology Laboratory Supervisor and Instructor
} Geology Department, Macalester College
} 1600 Grand Avenue, St. Paul, MN 55105
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From: Baggethun, Paul :      Paul.Baggethun-at-alcoa.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:28:54 -0400
Subject: TIFF images in Visual Basic 6

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Scott,

An excellent and free library for use in Visual Basic is available through
the XnView imaging package by Pierre Gougelet. Some of the features include
import of ~360 graphic file formats, LUT transforms, filters and a range of
tools. It is available at
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pierre.g/xnview/engfl.html

Cheers,
Paul Baggethun
Alcoa Technical Center


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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:12 PM
To: Microscopy (E-mail)


Is there anyone out there in ListserverLand that has found a way to bring
TIF images into Visual Basic 6.0 and work with them? Since I'm doing this
for myself, I don't want to buy a commercial package because they pretty
expensive. If you have an example of programming code, it would be greatly
appreciated.

-Scott

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From daemon Tue Jul 1 20:58:08 2003



From: Chris Jeffree :      c.jeffree-at-ed.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:25:16 +0100
Subject: RGB to CMYK: Photoshop Help

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I believe some of the later printers try to "compensate" for the flat screen
and other monitor effects. I know this is a feature of my HP7550 and it got
a good review from the latest issue of popular photography magazine. Now,
however, I can't say I've done it. But the same article did describe the
conversion to CMYK from GB as a necessity for every photographer for the
obvious reasons. Photoshop was also discussed, but it didn't allude to any
real problems with the conversion. Perhaps one of the digital photography
magazines can lend further insight. I just can't imagine there isn't a
solution to such a widespread application, just gotta find the people who
know the tricks...maybe.

Regards,
Ed
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} From: "David Elliott Ph.D." {David.Elliott-at-yale.edu}
To: {cardenas-at-bio.umass.edu} ; "Microscopy ListServer"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:26 AM


When in doubt, read the destructions!
The following are extracts from Adobe Photoshop 5's online help
==========================
Reproducing Colour Accurately. *see also:
About
calibration
About ICC
profiles
Choosing a
color management module
About the
RGB, Grayscale, and CMYK Setup dialog boxes
Calibrating
your monitor
Entering RGB
setup information
Entering
CMYK setup information
Using ICC
profiles to define the CMYK color space
Using the
Built-in option to define the CMYK color space
Adjusting
separation options
Printing a
color proof
Calibrating
the screen image to the proof
Converting
to CMYK
Managing ICC
profiles in files
Converting
the color space of open images
===========================
Using ICC Profiles to define the CMYK color space.

The CMYK Setup dialog box lets you specify the CMYK color space based
on the ICC profile of the printer you select. The CMM then maps the
colors in the image to the profiled printer's color gamut, or range of
printable colors.You can choose the method (called rendering intent)
that is used to translate the colors to the printed gamut.

To use ICC printer profiles to define the CMYK color space:

1 Choose File } Color Settings } CMYK Setup.
2 For CMYK Model, select ICC.
3 Select Preview to display a preview of your changes. A flashing bar
under the option indicates a preview is being created.
4 For Profile, choose the printer profile you want to use. If the
printer you use is not listed in the Profile menu, contact your
printer manufacturer for the appropriate printer profile or create one
using third-party printer profiling software.
5 For Engine, choose the CMM you want to use. Built-in refers to
Photoshop's built-in CMM.

Note: This option is not the same as choosing Built-in for CMYK Model.

6 For Intent, choose one of the following:

. Perceptual (Images) to maintain the relative color values among
the original pixels as they are mapped to the printer gamut. This
method preserves the relationship between colors, although the color
values themselves may change.
. Saturation (Graphics) to maintain the relative saturation values
of the original pixels. Out-of-gamut colors are converted to colors
that have the same saturation but fall just inside the gamut.
. Relative Colorimetric to leave colors that fall inside the gamut
unchanged. This method usually converts out-of-gamut colors to colors
that have the same lightness but fall just inside the gamut.

. Absolute Colorimetric to disable white point matching when
converting colors. This option is not generally recommended.

7 If desired, choose Black Point Compensation to map the darkest
neutral color of the source's color space to the darkest neutral color
of the destination's color space rather than to black when converting
colors.
8 Click OK.
========================
About ICC profiles

One of the methods Photoshop can use to manage color is based on the
use of ICC profiles. An ICC profile is a color space description. The
ICC profile format was defined by the International Color Consortium
(ICC) as a cross-application standard. ICC profiles help you reproduce
colors accurately across different platforms, devices, and
ICC-compliant applications (such as Adobe Illustrator and Adobe
PageMaker®).
Adobe Photoshop uses a Color Management Module (CMM) to interpret the
ICC profiles that describe the RGB and CMYK color spaces you are using
in your system. You can select from existing ICC profiles or create
your own. These profiles can then become part of your image files. The
CMM interprets the ICC profiles to automatically manage color issues
among different color models as well as color issues between your
monitor, other monitors, and the final print image. Although you do
not have to use ICC profiles, it can greatly simplify managing color.

Important: To ensure that color management works correctly on your
system, change the color management settings every time you change
printing devices.
=========================
hth
Chris

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From daemon Wed Jul 2 03:48:10 2003



From: Thor Bostrom :      t.bostrom-at-qut.edu.au
Date: dinsdag 01 juli 2003 15:18:06
Subject: 3CCD progressive scan camera C-mount

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Hi Peter,

I had just received some information on 3-CCD cameras when I saw your
message (as below). DuncanTech lists some cameras at
http://www.duncantech.com/area_scan_cameras.htm

Apparently DuncanTech have been acquired by Redlake (
http://www.redlake.com ) and there are 3-CCD models listed under their
website. Not sure of the C-mount though.

With regards,
Thor Bostrom


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From daemon Wed Jul 2 06:49:32 2003



From: Torsten.Fregin-at-zoologie.uni-hamburg.de
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:30:54 +0200
Subject: What database do you use?

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Hi,

I am looking for information about which database to use to organize my pictures
(from the microscope, SEM, EM, confocal, etc.).
What database do you use? Why?

:-) Torsten




Torsten Fregin

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From daemon Wed Jul 2 07:11:03 2003



From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:31:57 -0230
Subject: RE: Digital Image file format

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Mike Bode writes ...

} ... TIF, Tagged Image File Format) is one of the most flexible and
} seems to be a de-facto standard now. ...
} There are also some drawbacks. For example the tag "magnification".
} If you put in a large number there, some programs (Word used to do
} it), would interpret this as information about how big you wanted
} the image displayed in a document. If the tag was, let's say
} "1000", Word would interpret this as "the image is 1000 times as
} large as the original", and try to print it at the original size,
} resulting in an image a few pixels across. Not good.

This is an interesting point. My own opinion would ask if "magnification"
being anything meaningful in the first place. Of course it is in the
context of the images original acquisition, but many acquistion softwares,
while writing magnification to the file, pay absolutely no attention to
"print size" (or print resolution). That is, "mag" and "size" should be
interdependent, and there is no provision maintaining the relationship.
My first experience with SEM software would write the magnification to the
TIF file, but pay absolutely no attention to the size neccessarily being 4
by 5. Therefore the mag was useless, unless it was subsequently always
printed correctly.

This would be an interesting plugin for Photoshop ... that is, would
recognize the "mag tag", and understand (and maintain) the relationship with
print size. It would also be interesting if anyone was aware of current
software for maintaining this relationship ... I am not aware of any.

cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
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From daemon Wed Jul 2 07:33:00 2003



From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:53:33 -0230
Subject: RE: managing data from digital pictures

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Martin Ramirez writes ...

} At least TIFF and JPG formats have more or less standardized
} tagged fields to store metadata (= data on the image itself).
} The appropriate place to store microscope and image setting
} data seems to be the EXIF fields.
} (See Digital Still Camera Image File Format Standard.
} Version 2.1. JEIDA-49-1998.
}
{http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/service/digCam/exifStandard.
pdf}
} A more recent draft in www.dpnet.com.cn/download/software/exif22.pdf.)
}
} [...]
}
} the EXIF field 8778 in our SEM FEI XL looks like this:
}
} [DatabarData]
} flAccV = 20000.000
} flSpot = 6.000
} [...]


} the Hitachi S4700 FE-SEM produces a file with the same
} name as the image and .txt extension, looking like this:
}
} [SemImageFile]
} InstructName=S-4700
} FileName=xxxx 371bALSleft.tif
} SampleName=
} DataNumber=
}
} [...]
}
} In either case, one could easily extract this information
} with a script in a text editor (i.e., building your own filter),
} and then load the data in your system of choice.

Thanx for this info ... I'll at least know where to explore for more info.
I did notice references to "micron bar", but knowing what it meant wasn't
obvious. And, I did see references to "magnification", but never did see
any instance which would have implied a "print size"(?)

cheerios ... shAf :o)
Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland
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From: sswaffe-at-abv.bg (by way of Ask-A-Microscopist)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:25:23 -0500
Subject: Ask-A-Microscopist: disolve the paraffin

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From: Tom Phillips :      phillipst-at-missouri.edu
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:58:13 -0500
Subject: TEM - stigmation woes

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Our JEOL 1200 has started giving us lots of trouble with holding the
correct stigmation. We set it and everything is fine and 15 minutes later,
it is way out of stig. The factory service guys found nothing wrong -
naturally the intermitment problem refused to materialize when the service
rep was here. We have been doing mostly immuno EM lately so we are using
nickel grids - is there any chance this could be having an effect? Your
thoughts on this maddening problem would be appreciated. Tom



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From daemon Sun Aug 10 19:24:50 2003



From: Tom Phillips :      phillipst-at-missouri.edu
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:17:56 -0500
Subject: SEM - charging problems with bio samples

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We are relative novices on the SEM and are seeking advice on ways to
minimize our charging problems. We would appreciate any tips from the
mavens out there.

We are looking at biological specimens (tissue explants) coated either with
platinum or carbon (details below). The carbon coating protocol is for
when we are trying to image at colloidal gold labeling on the surface using
the BSE detector. The charging is much worse on the carbon coated
specimens compared to the platinum coated ones. I don't have a feel for
how much of this problem is "normal" and one has to live with it like so
much else in EM! But if anyone out there has some ideas or tricks to
reduce charging, we are willing to try it. I would also be interested in
anyone's nomination for a great reference book on SEM techniques. Thanks. Tom

Platinum coating protocol:

Tissue (2x2x2 mm) fixed in parformaldehyde/glutaraldehyde (or 2% PF) for
several hours.
Tissue osmicated with OsO4 in HEPES Wash Buffer for 2 hr.
Tissue dehydrated in EtOH series.
Tissue critical point dried.
Tissue mounted on stub with conductive tape.
Next, silver painted the edges of the specimen and allowed to dry.
Sputter coated the specimen with platinum at 10 mA for 70 sec.
Viewed on Hitachi SEM at 5 kV and 20 uA at magnifications ranging from
1-20k and sometimes up to 50k.
Specimens stored in a desiccation chamber.
*Re-coating for another minute fixes the problem some of the time.

Carbon coating protocol:

Tissue (from 1x1x1 to 3x3x3 mm) fixed in 2% PF for several hours.
Tissue osmicated with OsO4 in HEPES Wash Buffer for 2 hr.
Tissue dehydrated in EtOH series.
Tissue critical point dried.
Tissue mounted on stub with conductive tape.
Next, silver painted the edges of the specimen and allowed to dry.
Sputter coated the specimen with high purity carbon for 3 sec (~ 20 nm
coating?).
Viewed on Hitachi SEM at 5 kV and 20 uA at magnifications ranging from
1-20k using both BSE and SE to image.
Specimens stored in a desiccation chamber.


Thomas E. Phillips, PhD
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