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From: michael shaffer :      michael-at-shaffer.net
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:43:19 -0230
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: dye sub versus Pictrography

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John J. Bozzola writes ...


} We are comparing dye sub printers [...]. It is my understanding
} that both produce good quality, gray-scale prints (versus
} dithered, inkjet prints). ...

Inkjet printers may dither, but you cannot see the dithering at all with
modern printers. For excellent color, excellent grayscale, as well as
archival prints, I would suggest you take a look at the 9-ink HP Photosmart
8750. It's only downside is a thirst for ink cartridges, but considering
the prices you are comparing, this printer would be a bargain.

Genuinely, Michael Shaffer :o)
SEM/MLA Lab Coordinator
(709) 737-6790 (Ofc)
(709) 737-6790 (Lab)
{www.micro-investigations.com}
{www.esd.mun.ca/epma/}
Inco Innovation Centre
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, Newfoundland



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From: Alan Stone :      as-at-astonmet.com
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: RE: dye sub versus Pictrography

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We have a Canon i9900. The prints are outstanding and in a way, sadly
better than anything I could do in the darkroom.

Alan Stone
ASTON



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From: Dusevich, Vladimir :      DusevichV-at-umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: dye sub versus Pictrography

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For a few years Pictrography was my printer of choice (average cost per
print
is about $2 or $3). Half a year ago I bought cheap inkjet HP Deskjet
6540
for draft prints. Surprisingly, it produces grayscale prints of very
good quality, so now
I practically stopped using Pictrography.

Vladimir


Vladimir M. Dusevich, Ph.D.
Electron Microscope Lab Manager
3127 School of Dentistry
650 E. 25th Street
Kansas City, MO 64108-2784

Phone: (816) 235-2072
Fax: (816) 235-5524
Web: http://www.umkc.edu/dentistry/microscopy



} -----Original Message-----
} From: John J. Bozzola [mailto:bozzola-at-siu.edu]
} Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:14 PM
} To: Microscopy-at-msa.microscopy.com
} Subject: [Microscopy] dye sub versus Pictrography
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} We are comparing dye sub printers versus the Fuji Pictrography
} PG4500. The price differential is a staggering $22,000 versus $6,500,
} respectively. It is my understanding that both produce good quality,
} gray-scale prints (versus dithered, inkjet prints). Why the price
} differential? I would welcome any comments, user experiences, etc.
} Does anyone know the average cost per 8.5 x 11in print?
}
} Thank you.
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} I.M.A.G.E. (Integrated Microscopy & Graphics Expertise)
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From: Tindall, Randy D. :      TindallR-at-missouri.edu
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:36:50 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: RE: dye sub versus Pictrography

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I have to agree with the ink jet crowd. I have a Canon i9100 for
personal use which will make prints up to 19x13 inches and it also gives
me much more control than I had in the darkroom (and John Bozzola knows
what a switch it is to hear that from me---I used to live in
darkrooms!). I simply couldn't justify paying thousands of dollars for
high-end dye-sub printers or the Fuji system in our lab, when a $500-600
printer will give excellent quality prints with a life span of 100+
years, using the right inks and papers.

I honestly don't even remember when we made the last print for our users
in the lab. I bought a cheaper, but good quality ink-jet a couple of
years ago for people who wanted prints and the original ink cartridges
are still in it. We shoot film on the TEM and scan it and our SEM takes
digital images directly. We give our clients the images on disks and
they're happy. Occasionally we do quick work prints on a laser printer
upon request, but even this is rare.

I still have a darkroom and two enlargers in storage in my garage, but
it's becoming more out of nostalgia than any real hope I'll set them up
again someday. I just can't let go......

Randy

Randy Tindall
EM Specialist
Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
W122 Veterinary Medicine
University of Missouri
Columbia, MO 65211
Tel: (573) 882-8304
Fax: (573) 884-2227
Email: tindallr-at-missouri.edu
Web: http://www.emc.missouri.edu



-----Original Message-----
} From: Alan Stone [mailto:as-at-astonmet.com]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:22 AM
To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com


We have a Canon i9900. The prints are outstanding and in a way, sadly
better than anything I could do in the darkroom.

Alan Stone
ASTON



At 07:13 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote:


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} } both produce good quality, gray-scale prints (versus dithered,
} } inkjet prints). ...
}
} Inkjet printers may dither, but you cannot see the dithering at all
} with modern printers. For excellent color, excellent grayscale, as
} well as archival prints, I would suggest you take a look at the 9-ink
} HP Photosmart 8750. It's only downside is a thirst for ink cartridges,

} but considering the prices you are comparing, this printer would be a
bargain.
}
} Genuinely, Michael Shaffer :o)
} SEM/MLA Lab Coordinator
} (709) 737-6790 (Ofc)
} (709) 737-6790 (Lab)
} {www.micro-investigations.com}
} {www.esd.mun.ca/epma/}
} Inco Innovation Centre
} Memorial University of Newfoundland
} St. John's, Newfoundland

Alan Stone
ASTON Metallurgical Services Co., Inc.
200 Larkin Drive Ste A
Wheeling, IL 60090
847/353-8100
www.astonmet.com





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From: Geoff McAuliffe :      mcauliff-at-umdnj.edu
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:00:36 -0400
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: dye sub versus Pictrography

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There is no reason to spend this kind of money to get excellent B&W
prints. Many fine art photographers are making beautiful prints with ink
jet printers. Check out Lyson.com or inkjetmall.com. Also, continuous
inking systems are available that bypass individual ink cartridges. I
will post more specifics later or early next week.

Geoff


John J. Bozzola wrote:

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} We are comparing dye sub printers versus the Fuji Pictrography PG4500.
} The price differential is a staggering $22,000 versus $6,500,
} respectively. It is my understanding that both produce good quality,
} gray-scale prints (versus dithered, inkjet prints). Why the price
} differential? I would welcome any comments, user experiences, etc.
} Does anyone know the average cost per 8.5 x 11in print?
}
} Thank you.



--
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**********************************************
Geoff McAuliffe, Ph.D.
Neuroscience and Cell Biology
Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
675 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, NJ 08854
voice: (732)-235-4583; fax: -4029
mcauliff-at-umdnj.edu
**********************************************




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From: Diane Baldwin :      dbaldwin-at-dgisrd.com
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM/SEM Job Accouncement

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ELECTRON MICROSCOPE TECHNICIAN - RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK (RTP), NORTH
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From: Don Chernoff at ASM :      donc-at-asmicro.com
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Image review: Hard copy vs. PC screen

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This post is tangential to the dye sub vs ink jet discussion.
When one needs to compare 2 or more images simultaneously, prints can easily
be laid out on a table, but this is not so easy with on-screen display of
digital images. One thing that we have done in our lab is to install a
second monitor at some workstations and increase the Windows desktop size so
that it spans the two monitors. This is satisfactory for AFM images where
the basic pixel count is 512x512 but may not be so good with other formats.
I am curious to learn what other people do.

When you give your customers digital images only, do you feel there is a
risk they could miss an important comparison?

regards,
Don Chernoff
==================================
Advanced Surface Microscopy, Inc. E-Mail: donc-at-asmicro.com
3250 N. Post Rd., Ste. 120 Voice: 317-895-5630
INDIANAPOLIS IN 46226 USA Toll free: 800-374-8557 (in USA & Canada)
web: http://www.asmicro.com Fax: 317-895-5652
[business activities: analytical services in AFM, AFM probes, consulting,
training,
calibration and test specimens, calibration and measurement software,
used NanoScope equipment.]



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From: Damian Neuberger :      neuberger1234-at-comcast.net
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: dye sub versus Pictrography

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Don't forget to use RIP software for excellent tonal range. I've seen
photos done with and without and there is a discernible difference and
improvement.
Damian

-----Original Message-----
} From: Geoff McAuliffe [mailto:mcauliff-at-umdnj.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:01 AM
To: John J. Bozzola
Cc: Microscopy-at-msa.microscopy.com

There is no reason to spend this kind of money to get excellent B&W
prints. Many fine art photographers are making beautiful prints with ink
jet printers. Check out Lyson.com or inkjetmall.com. Also, continuous
inking systems are available that bypass individual ink cartridges. I
will post more specifics later or early next week.

Geoff


John J. Bozzola wrote:

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}
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}
}
} We are comparing dye sub printers versus the Fuji Pictrography PG4500.
} The price differential is a staggering $22,000 versus $6,500,
} respectively. It is my understanding that both produce good quality,
} gray-scale prints (versus dithered, inkjet prints). Why the price
} differential? I would welcome any comments, user experiences, etc.
} Does anyone know the average cost per 8.5 x 11in print?
}
} Thank you.



--
--
**********************************************
Geoff McAuliffe, Ph.D.
Neuroscience and Cell Biology
Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
675 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, NJ 08854
voice: (732)-235-4583; fax: -4029
mcauliff-at-umdnj.edu
**********************************************







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From: Mardinly, John :      john.mardinly-at-intel.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:53:23 -0700
Subject: [Microscopy] Image review: Hard copy vs. PC screen

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Don;
I tried to purchase an IBM T-220 9 megapixel display, but was
told by IBM that they had killed the product. This was the only display
ever marketed that could display a 2K X 2K camera image showing all of
the pixels on one screen. We still have two screens on our TEM, but need
to either display the images at half resolution, or zoom to display only
part of the image.

John Mardinly

-----Original Message-----
} From: Don Chernoff at ASM [mailto:donc-at-asmicro.com]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:05 AM
To: Microscopy List

This post is tangential to the dye sub vs ink jet discussion.
When one needs to compare 2 or more images simultaneously, prints can
easily
be laid out on a table, but this is not so easy with on-screen display
of
digital images. One thing that we have done in our lab is to install a
second monitor at some workstations and increase the Windows desktop
size so
that it spans the two monitors. This is satisfactory for AFM images
where
the basic pixel count is 512x512 but may not be so good with other
formats.
I am curious to learn what other people do.

When you give your customers digital images only, do you feel there is a
risk they could miss an important comparison?

regards,
Don Chernoff
==================================
Advanced Surface Microscopy, Inc. E-Mail: donc-at-asmicro.com
3250 N. Post Rd., Ste. 120 Voice: 317-895-5630
INDIANAPOLIS IN 46226 USA Toll free: 800-374-8557 (in USA &
Canada)
web: http://www.asmicro.com Fax: 317-895-5652
[business activities: analytical services in AFM, AFM probes,
consulting,
training,
calibration and test specimens, calibration and measurement software,
used NanoScope equipment.]





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From: Mardinly, John :      john.mardinly-at-intel.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:03:56 -0700
Subject: [Microscopy] dye sub versus Pictrography

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John;
We have a Fuji Pictrograph 3500, and I have to say that nothing
I have ever seen prints with the resolution and vivid saturation of the
pictrograph, both for color and B&W. However, since all of our
conference rooms got digital projectors, we don't make prints any more.
I used it to make some absolutely beautiful prints of my daughter, but
that's about all. We have had multiple failures of a $1,000 circuit
board, and the Fuji service department is a NIGHTMARE to deal with.
Right now, the printer is inoperative. The most recent batch of paper
and donor sticks to the drum, causing a fault. I don't know if spending
another $400 for new rolls will cure that problem, or if there is
something else wrong with the printer, but we're probably going to just
push it out the door.

John Mardinly
Intel

This is the opinion of the author and not of Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
} From: John J. Bozzola [mailto:bozzola-at-siu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:14 PM
To: Microscopy-at-msa.microscopy.com

We are comparing dye sub printers versus the Fuji Pictrography
PG4500. The price differential is a staggering $22,000 versus $6,500,
respectively. It is my understanding that both produce good quality,
gray-scale prints (versus dithered, inkjet prints). Why the price
differential? I would welcome any comments, user experiences, etc.
Does anyone know the average cost per 8.5 x 11in print?

Thank you.
--
##############################################################
John J. Bozzola, Ph.D., Director
I.M.A.G.E. (Integrated Microscopy & Graphics Expertise)
750 Communications Drive - MC 4402
Southern Illinois University
Carbondale, IL 62901 U.S.A.
Phone: 618-453-3730
Email: bozzola-at-siu.edu
##############################################################









From: Nestor J. Zaluzec :      zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Administrivia: Software Testing by Nestor - you may ignore this.

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Colleagues

Your may safely ignore this test mesage.

I have updated the security model and the software for the Listserver
this morning , and need to perform a full mailing test to all subscribers
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I will be monitoring the system for problems the rest of the day.
Hopefully this test will run fine and there will be minimal interruptions.

Should you encounter problems please contact me off-line (zaluzec-at-microscopy.com).


Cheers

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From: amr2w-at-virginia.edu (by way of Nestor J. Zaluzec)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:03:41 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: 3-D SEM reconstruction

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Good day all,

Two similar models of this monitor were available: IBM T221 and Viewsonic
VP2290B, both using IBM display panel 22" diagonal, 3840 x 2400 pixels, 204
dpi. Both discontinued. IBM had intentions of replacing T221 with new model
as early as March 2005. I don't know whether they did yet.

We purchased several such monitors, IBM and Viewsonic, for TEM camera
systems. Both models are similar in performance, except Viewsonic is a bit
slower in full resolution mode, which makes no difference for static images.
It's hard for a PC to run 9.2 MP frames at over 20 FPS refresh rate anyway.
In fact, it is better to run 1600 x 1200 desktop most of the time and switch
to 3840 x 2400 for high resolution viewing. 1600 x 1200 keeps fonts and
icons size comfortable, and refresh rate is fast. The display in 3840 x 2400
mode is stunning- like looking through a window on a sunny day. You can take
an eye loupe to the screen and see further detail in the image.

If you will be able to find refurbished or second hand T221 - IBM will honor
original 3 year factory warranty as long as monitor is not physically
damaged. One of our IBM monitors was refurbished, with a screen defect. IBM
replaced the monitor. Consult with IBM regarding the warranty, before buying
used monitor. Have monitor serial number when calling IBM. These monitors
are still available, mostly on e-bay, and through some internet outlets.
Could be even new in box, but not from a regular source.

Is anybody at IBM reading this message? Please comment on a future
availability of equal or better display monitor.

See T221 in EM application at
www-1.ibm.com/industries/healthcare/doc/content/bin/ls_t221_enhancing_electr
on_1.pdf

Vitaly Feingold
SIA
2773 Heath Lane
Duluth, GA 30096
Ph. 770-232-7785
Fax 770-232-1791
www.sia-cam.com

----- Original Message -----
} From: "Mardinly, John" {john.mardinly-at-intel.com}
To: "Don Chernoff at ASM" {donc-at-asmicro.com} ; "Microscopy List"
{microscopy-at-microscopy.com}
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:53 AM

Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (amr2w-at-virginia.edu) from http://microscopy.com/MLFormMail.html on Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 12:58:42
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Email: amr2w-at-virginia.edu
Name: Andrew Roelant

Organization: UVa

Title-Subject: [Microscopy] [Filtered] 3-D SEM reconstruction

Question: Hi all,
I know there are software programs that do 3-D images from SEM using stereo pairs, however, what if you have a more complex shaped object? I hear that there has been new software that you can use a series of tilts like TEM tomography to obtain a better reconstruction. Does anybody know about this? Any information would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
-Andrew Roelant

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From: srandol3-at-utk.edu (by way of MicroscopyListserver)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:04:08 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Area analysis scanning

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Below is the result of your feedback form (NJZFM-ultra-55). It was submitted by (srandol3-at-utk.edu) from http://www.microscopy.com/MLFormMail.html on Sunday, July 3, 2005 at 19:26:02
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Email: srandol3-at-utk.edu
Name: Steven Randolph

Organization: university of tennessee

Title-Subject: [Microscopy] [Filtered] MListserver: Area analysis scanning

Question: Hello all,

I have a question that is really more engineering-related than imaging. My question is regarding some of the various scanning modes on Hitachi SEMs such as the S4300, S4700, and S3500N. I need to know some of the specifics about how scanning takes place in area analysis mode and reduced screen mode. In area analysis, is the beam blanked in the region outside the box, or is the pixel size reduced to accomodate the box size? I guess what I'm trying to find out is the dwell time in area analysis and reduced screen mode. I seem to recall that there is a finite settle time associated with scanning in some modes. Anyways, any input you could provide would be much appreciated!

Thanks much,
Steven Randolph

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From: =?iso-8859-2?B?TC4gS+pwafFza2k=?= :      L.Kepinski-at-int.pan.wroc.pl
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:08 +0200
Subject: [Microscopy] EDAX PV9800 repair

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Dear all,



We have a Philips SEM 515 equipped with EDX spectrometer. The spectrometer
is EDAX PV 9800 system with UTW detector (freshly repaired) and control unit
with its specialized computer (both hardware and software). The computer is
just dying and most probably can not be repaired. I wonder if anybody tried
to "upgrade" this particular system to PC compatible version. Is it possible
at reasonable cost?

Regards,

Leszek



Leszek Kepinski
Institute of Low Temperature and Structure Research,
Polish Academy of Sciences,
P.O.Box 1410,
50-950 Wroclaw, Poland
e-mail: L.Kepinski-at-int.pan.wroc.pl









From: zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Administrivia: Sorry - another full system test

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Colleagues:

Well, it was wishful thinking that I could adequitely solve the problem in the
first attempt. After many hours of off-line testing (and too few pints for a holiday
weekend). I need to run yet another full system delivery test. You may notice a
few changes in the configuration of the Email headers in this version.

The previous test basically worked, but it took far too many hours to process & verify
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No need to reply to this message. Again if you have problems posting with this
new version of the filters implements, then please contact me off-line.
(zaluzec-at-microscopy.com)

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From: Stephen.Cody-at-ludwig.edu.au
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] FOM 2006

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Dear Colleagues,

The next in the FOM conference series will take place in Perth, (Western) Australia from Sunday April 9th to Wednesday April 12, 2006. Please visit for details www.FocusOnMicroscopy.org

Focus on Microscopy 2006 is the continuation of a successful conference series presenting the latest innovations in optical microscopy and its applications in biology, medicine, material science, and information storage. 3D optical imaging and related theory are important subjects for the conference. The series is as relevant now as at any time in its history as the scientific and engineering communities strive to meet the needs of a surging life sciences sector as well as respond to the sustained pressure on miniaturisation in lithography and data storage.

Also a technical exhibition will be part of the conference. In Jena well over 30 companies participated including the major microscopy companies, see FOM2005 Sponsors & Exhibitors www.focusonmicroscopy.org/2005/sponsors.html .

The 2006 meeting will be held in Perth on Australia's western seaboard. The conference will be held in the nearby port city of Fremantle, at the scenic Esplanade hotel, close to the boat harbour and Perth' famous beaches. Perth's relaxed and outdoor lifestyle should prove an ideal setting for a stimulating and enjoyable meeting - see you there!

Local organising committee:
Stephen Cody
Central Resource for Advanced Microscopy, Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research, Melbourne

Guy Cox
Electron Microscope Unit, University of Sydney

Ewa Goldys
Division of Information and Communication Sciences, Macquarie University, Sydney

Brendan Griffin
Centre for Microscopy and Microanalysis, University of Western Australia, Perth

Miranda Grounds
School of Anatomy and Human Biology, University of Western Australia, Perth

Ian Harper
School of Biomedical Sciences, Monash University, Melbourne

David Jans
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Monash University, Melbourne

Min Gu
Centre for Microphotonics, Swinburne University, Melbourne

John Kuo
Centre for Microscopy and Microanalysis, University of Western Australia, Perth

Keith Nugent
School of Physics, University of Melbourne

Paul Rigby
Biomedical Imaging and Analysis Facility, University of Western Australia, Perth

Alpha Yap
Institute for Biomolecular Science, University of Queensland, Brisbane

Conference topics include:
* Confocal and multiphoton-excitation microscopies * Novel illumination and detection strategies - selectiveplane, extended depth of focus, 4pi, structured illumination * Fluorescence - new labels, fluorescent proteins, quantum dots, single molecule, excitation-emission spectroscopy * Time-resolved fluorescence - FRET, FRAP, FLIM, FCS * Coherent non-linear microscopies - SHG, THG, SFG, CARS * Scattering processes: Raman, light scattering spectroscopy, second harmonic * Multi-dimensional imaging * Sub-wavelength resolution - near field microscopy, total internal reflection * Laser manipulation, ablation and microdissection, photoactivation * Magnetic resonance and X-ray microscopy * Image processing and visualisation * Live cell and tissue imaging * Whole tissue imaging - optical coherence tomography, endoscopy, whole animal fluorescence * New tools in genomics, proteomics, phenomics, cytometry * Lithography and data storage

To stay informed on the program, registration and abstract submission for the conference please leave your E-mail address here www.focusonmicroscopy.org/forms/subscr_notification.html .

On behalf of the FocusOnMicroscopy society,
* David Sampson, University of Western Australia
* Fred Brakenhoff, University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Stephen H. Cody

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From: baskin-at-bio.umass.edu
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:28:09 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] postdoc open in computer vision for cell motility

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Postdoctoral Position: Computer Vision Algorithms for Studying
Biological Growth and Motility

A postdoctoral position is available to join a research
project in the quantification of deformable motion in biology, with
emphasis on growth and cell motility. The position is supported by an
NIH-funded collaboration between Tobias I. Baskin (a biologist at
Umass Amherst) and K. Palaniappan (a computer scientist at University
of Missouri, Columbia). Baskin and Palaniappan have developed new
software for quantifying the spatial distribution of velocity within
a growing plant organ (a root). The software is called RootflowRT and
the biological application is described by van der Weele et al (2003
Plant Physiology, 32:1138-1148). The software implements a novel
algorithm for quantifying deformable motion that combines
structure-tensor and robust-matching approaches. The project is to
enhance and validate RootFlowRT, apply software engineering
principles to the current code base, explore new computational
algorithms, and extend the robust-tensor approach to other kinds of
biological objects, in particular motile animal cells and embryos.
The open position is at Amherst and involves imaging different kinds
of biological object as well as enhancing the software. Applicants
should have experience in some area of image processing, good
programming skills, and, preferably, experience in biology.

Those interested in the position should contact Dr Baskin
(email: baskin-at-bio.umass.edu), and can find further information from
his web page: http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/baskin/ and the page
for RootflowRT http://meru.rnet.missouri.edu/mvl/bio_motion.

I encourage applications from anyone regardless of skin
color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, or nationality.

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From: zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:37:28 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] DiI for morphology measurements?

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Hi, Is anyone aware of a method using DiI for staining cells growing in a
monolayer thickness, targeting the cell membrane, to obtain enough contrast to
yield a binary image of the cells representing their shape/morphology?

I'm growing multi-potent cells in 24-well plates and would like to quantify
their shape (and changes in shape) as they differentiate with time.

I've looked in the literature, and I've found lots of examples of DiI being used
to label neurons in live tissue. However, these papers don't focus so much on
quantitative morphological measurements, but more on what the neurons are
ennervating. I'd like a simple method for cells growing or fixed in a plate or
on a slide, for quantifying shape.

Any suggestions?

Sincerely,
Mike McIntyre

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From: marie.cantino-at-uconn.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] EM service

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I am looking for companies or individuals providing repair services for
TEMs and SEMs in the New England area. Does anyone know of a
comprehensive list of contacts? Any recommendations?

Any providers or others with relevant information are welcome to
contact me at the phone number listed below, or by e-mail. Thanks.

Marie

Dr. Marie E. Cantino
Director, Electron Microscopy Laboratory
Associate Professor of Physiology and Neurobiology
University of Connecticut Unit 3242
Storrs, CT 06269-3242
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From: smalinskas-at-yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: [Microscopy] EM service

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I can recommend the following:

Ken Converse
Quality Images
Delta PA
(717) 456-5491

He participates in this newsgroup.

Stu Smalinskas
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SKF
Plymouth, Michigan

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From: GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Uranyl Acetate Shelf Life

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I'm interested in hearing how long people keep the Uranyl Acetate stain that
they use in grid staining, both the stock and working solution. Currently
we are using a 2% solution in 50% methanol.

How long do you think one could say that they remain fresh after making up?
Presently our lab keeps the stock solution for about a month, but I never
really had any literature to know one way or the other if I could keep it
long.


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From: edelmare-at-muohio.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:05:09 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: [Microscopy] RE: High Res Monitors

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Just some thoughts. . .

We've been using multiple LCD monitors lately to increase our
windows desktop size. However, in doing so I have noted that
Matrox does offer a high-resolution graphics card (3840x2400) {
http://www.matrox.com/mga/workstation/3dws/products/special/hr25
6.cfm } and they point to three monitors for this card something
refed to as 9 MP (assume 9 mega pixel ? maybe) monitors
(Viewsonic, IBM T221, and Iiayam)

NVidia Quadro FX series cards also goes to 3840x2400

ATI as a few cards which will deliver 3840 x 2400 (using multiple
monitors)

IBM lists a T221 as their 9.2 megapixel monitor - but I can not find
its avavilablity.

A company called Planar makes a 5-megapixel greyscale monitor.
Dome C5i

www.tridentmicrosystems.co.uk lists a 28.1” 2k x 2k TFT LCD
monitor is designed for traffic management.

NEC lists 2048 x 1536 as their highest resolution monitor. (But
does include 10-bit greyscale as well).

Viewsonic offers a number of "Thin Edge" monitors designed to
used together including stands designed to hold 2,3 or 4 monitors
at once.

There is a company www.9xmedia.com that offers multimonitor
solutions.



(Note: I do not sell montiors, or own stock / interests in any monitor
graphics company. :-)



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Dear group,

We have an old Zeiss EM10C, which we try to put back to the service.
It come with dual channel Roentgen meter board, MOSFET.
Unfortunately we do not have a circuit diagram, which will allow us to fix
a problem on the board.
Some one has a copy of diagram of that board?

Thanks,
Vlad



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Silicon Valley based semiconductor equipment company seeks Senior EPMA Scientist as follows:

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- Provide a broad practical and theoretical knowledge base of electron spectroscopy, X-ray optics, and electron probe micro analysis (EPMA) to assess analytical capabilities, application areas and metrology opportunities of various analysis techniques.

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- Plan, perform and evaluate hardware and application feasibility studies on test setups and complete prototype systems.



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- Independently perform and evaluate experiments using prototype systems

- Design experiments for EPMA concept feasibility

- Build and modify experimental test systems using hands-on skills

- Provide and maintain up-to-date knowledge of surface characterization techniques

- Model and predict electron and X-ray intensities due to particle-material interaction

- Develop, test, and evaluate measurement protocols

- Actively participate in system development and subsystem designs



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- Broad knowledge in material analysis

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Title-Subject: [Filtered] Senior EPMA (Electron Probe Micro Analysis) Scientist position

Question: Senior EPMA (Electron Probe Micro Analysis) Scientist position:

Silicon Valley based semiconductor equipment company seeks Senior EPMA Scientist as follows:

Mission and Duties:

- Actively participate in the development, testing and evaluation of new metrology solutions for semiconductor processing from the concept stage to prototype testing.

- Provide a broad practical and theoretical knowledge base of electron spectroscopy, X-ray optics, and electron probe micro analysis (EPMA) to assess analytical capabilities, application areas and metrology opportunities of various analysis techniques.

- Work with a team of scientists and engineers in system development, prototype testing, and design of experiments.

- Plan, perform and evaluate hardware and application feasibility studies on test setups and complete prototype systems.



Responsibilities:

- Independently perform and evaluate experiments using prototype systems

- Design experiments for EPMA concept feasibility

- Build and modify experimental test systems using hands-on skills

- Provide and maintain up-to-date knowledge of surface characterization techniques

- Model and predict electron and X-ray intensities due to particle-material interaction

- Develop, test, and evaluate measurement protocols

- Actively participate in system development and subsystem designs



Background and Education:

- MS or Ph.D. in material science, physics or related field is required; an emphasis in measurement or instrumentation is preferred

- Broad knowledge in material analysis

- Strong practical experience in electron probe analysis, preferably WDX Wavelength- Dispersive X-ray Spectroscopy or EPMA or equivalent

- Experience in semiconductor material analysis is preferred but not required

- Intimate knowledge of data reduction methods, statistical analysis and principles of particle-material interaction

- Knowledge of X-ray optics and/or X-ray optical design is desirable

- Ability to work independently and within a team of scientists and engineers

- Minimum of 2 years of practical experience in a combination of the above areas



Company offers competitive salary, stock options, benefits, and relocation assistance in a collegial work environment. Company is privately held and VC-funded with outstanding prospects for stock price appreciation in the future.



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From: cpetty1-at-umbc.edu
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM local service

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Greetings from Baltimore. I have a Zeiss 10 CA. Our past service company
Pesto Inc. longer is in business. Does anyone know of a person or
company that works on Zeiss TEMs in my area?
--
Chere Petty, M.S.
Manager, Keith R. Porter Imaging Facility
Department of Biological Sciences
University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC)
1000 Hilltop Circle
Baltimore, MD 21250
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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:06:12 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Zeiss EM10C - Roentgen meter board

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Dear group,

We have an old Zeiss EM10C, which we try to put back to the service.
It come with dual channel Roentgen meter board, MOSFET.
Unfortunately we do not have a circuit diagram, which will allow us to fix
a problem on the board.
Some one has a copy of diagram of that board?

Thanks,
Vlad




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Title-Subject: [Filtered] Inca energy - real K-ratio ?

Question: I'm looking for thickness measurement on a stratified sample by using HT variation on SEM and a software to modelize theoricaly the interactions in the stratified sample.
I need to extract real Kratio.
I made some tests by passing a standart of silicium (for instance), then my sample (containig a strat of Si) and making the ratio between the 2 intensity. This work quite well, but rather time consuming.
I standardized my silicium in the inca energy software, but the K-ratio displayed was totally wrong.
As an example the system uses Co for quant optimization, and when you analyse the Co, a 1.6 ratio is found:crazy.

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Question: Looking for vacuum schemtics, connection help for LEO 438VP SEM. The disassembled instrument has an Edwards Turbo backed by Edwards RV12 pump. The isolation block has an additional port (NW25 fitting) for connection to the specimen chamber. The microscope also has a solenoid operated PV25EK valve. I am looking for info on where this valve is to be located? a) between the block and turbo? or b) between the block and the specimen chamber? or c) elsewher? Any pictures would be of immense help as well.

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From: benada-at-biomed.cas.cz
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:23:12 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Carbon evaporation troubles

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Good day all,

My apologies if this posting a repeater- I had problems with my e-mail in
the past week.

Two similar models of this monitor were available: IBM T221 and Viewsonic
VP2290B. Both (I was told) used IBM display panel 22" diagonal, 3840 x 2400
pixels, 204
dpi. Both discontinued. I was also told that IBM had plans of replacing T221
with a
new model as early as March 2005. I don't know whether they did yet.

We purchased several such monitors, IBM and Viewsonic, for TEM camera
systems. Both models are similar in performance, except Viewsonic is a bit
slower in full resolution mode, which makes no difference for static images.
It's hard for a PC to run 9.2 MP frames at over 20 FPS refresh rate anyway.
In fact, it is better to run 1600 x 1200 desktop most of the time and switch
to 3840 x 2400 for high resolution viewing. 1600 x 1200 keeps fonts and
icons size comfortable, and refresh rate is fast. The display in 3840 x 2400
mode is stunning- like looking through a window on a sunny day. You can take
an eye loupe to the screen and see further detail in the image.

If you will be able to find refurbished or second hand T221 - IBM will honor
original 3 year factory warranty as long as monitor is not physically
damaged. One of our IBM monitors was refurbished, with a screen defect. IBM
replaced the monitor. Consult with IBM regarding the warranty, before buying
used monitor. Have monitor serial number when calling IBM. These monitors
are still available, mostly on e-bay, and through some internet outlets.
Could be even new in box, but not from a regular source.

Is anybody at IBM reading this message? Please comment on a future
availability of equal or better display monitor.

See IBM paper on T221 in EM application at
http://www-1.ibm.com/industries/healthcare/doc/content/bin/ls_t221_enhancing_electron_1.pdf

Vitaly Feingold
SIA
2773 Heath Lane
Duluth, GA 30096
Ph. 770-232-7785
Fax 770-232-1791
www.sia-cam.com

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Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


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Hi,

We have troubles with evaporation control unit BSV 202 of our BALZERS BAF
301 FE device. Does anybody have some experiences with it?

The current needed for carbon evaporation suddenly jumped so high that the
8 A fuse blown out happend. After replacing it, the current needed for
carbon evaporation stays too high and exceeds the permitted current of
safeguarding 8A fuse. There are no differences if we use evaporator 1
(transformer 1) or evaporator 2 (transformer 2).
For carbon evaporation we use sharpenned carbon rods.

Thanking in advance for any suggestion.
Oldrich
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From: edelmare-at-muohio.edu
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Imaging thin films

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O.k., I'm a materials neophyte and I'm looking for some
direction. I can ultramicrotome things, I can crush and fracture
things, and I can physically polish things, but now I am facing a new
sample area: How do I prepare thin films, inorganic, crystal and
semi-crystaline grown on a hard smooth substraight (glass, Si,
Mica, etc.)? Film thickness below 1-micrometer, mostly below
300nm. We would like to study the morphology of the film via SEM
or TEM. EDS and EBSD would also be nice. So how do I get a
clean cross-section of the thin film? Buying a dual-column/beam
FIB/SEM might be a nice idea but seems a little over-kill, eh? Can
someone point me in the right direction? Ion-beam milling? Ion-
beam polishing? Sectioning glass or Si crystal just does not sound
like a good idea.

Next are there any thoughts on buying equipment and doing this in
house vs having samples preped off-campus (I acknowledge that
there are some techniques and equipment that are just really tricky).

Thank you!



Richard E. Edelmann, Ph.D.
Electron Microscopy Facility Director
350 Pearson Hall
Miami University, Oxford, OH 45056
Ph: 513.529.5712 Fax: 513.529.4243
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From: Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] For Nestor: Double posting

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Hi all,

I have been following this thread with interest, as it affects us of course.
We would like to use higher resolution monitors for our TEM cameras, but
perhaps you could answer two questions for me:

1) What exactly would be the advantage of a high resolution monitor? Unless
you can see the pixilation on a regular monitor, a higher resolution monitor
would not show much more. To see more, the screen would also have to be much
bigger. Of course, you take a magnifying glass to the monitor and see more,
but that you can do with a zoom function on a regular monitor as well.

2) Is this worth around $10K or more to you?

mike

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Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


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Hi Nestor,

As of today I am getting all postings twice. Is that a problem with my
subscription or a general problem?

mike

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From: gary-at-gaugler.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:24:45 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Imaging thin films

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SEM will produce morphology info whereas EBSD will produce
grain, orientation and texture info. Totally different
results and prep methods.

Depending on what the film material is, that would dictate
how it is prepared for analysis. Silicon is easiest I think
to use as a substrate since it can easily be cut into small
pieces. Mount the piece and coat it then SEM image for
morphology. Mount another piece and polish it with colloidal
silica or alumina (again, depending on film material) down
to .02u and this should work for EBSD.

FIB ablades the surface and does not produce good EBSD specimens.
I've tried various plasmas and Gatan 682 and do not get good specimens
for EBSD. There is probably some magic combination that I have
yet to find. Thus far, mechanical polishing and slight etch
with DI water seems to do the job. There are dedicated ion beam
polishing tools that do nice jobs for EBSD. But unless you are
going to do a lot of this, I don't think it pencils out.

Since the analysis is tops down, I don't see why you would
need to section the specimen. If there is more to your
situation, tell us more.

gary g.


At 07:55 AM 7/8/2005, you wrote:

} O.k., I'm a materials neophyte and I'm looking for some
} direction. I can ultramicrotome things, I can crush and fracture
} things, and I can physically polish things, but now I am facing a new
} sample area: How do I prepare thin films, inorganic, crystal and
} semi-crystaline grown on a hard smooth substraight (glass, Si,
} Mica, etc.)? Film thickness below 1-micrometer, mostly below
} 300nm. We would like to study the morphology of the film via SEM
} or TEM. EDS and EBSD would also be nice. So how do I get a
} clean cross-section of the thin film? Buying a dual-column/beam
} FIB/SEM might be a nice idea but seems a little over-kill, eh? Can
} someone point me in the right direction? Ion-beam milling? Ion-
} beam polishing? Sectioning glass or Si crystal just does not sound
} like a good idea.
}
} Next are there any thoughts on buying equipment and doing this in
} house vs having samples preped off-campus (I acknowledge that
} there are some techniques and equipment that are just really tricky).
}
} Thank you!
}
}
}
} Richard E. Edelmann, Ph.D.
} Electron Microscopy Facility Director
} 350 Pearson Hall
} Miami University, Oxford, OH 45056
} Ph: 513.529.5712 Fax: 513.529.4243
} E-mail: edelmare-at-muohio.edu
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From: phillipst-at-missouri.edu
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] paraffin microtomes

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Hello John,

I am not quite sure what it means when you say that the resolution of the
human eye is 300 DPI. I looked up an article on the web
(http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/864446241.Ph.r.html), which
specifies the angular resolution of the human eye under optimum conditions
as 1/60th of a degree. If I do my math right, the resolution is then given
by:

2 x distance x tan (angle/2).

For a viewing distance of about 1m, I get a resolution of 0.3mm (which
corresponds to about 220 DPI at 1m distance), which is more or less the dot
pitch of a normal monitor (a 21" LCD at 1600x1200 has a dot pitch of
0.294mm). So, I think the normal monitors are actually at the limits of the
human eye's resolution. If your eyes were much better, you should be able to
see the individual red, green, and blue dots from a distance of 1m.

As I said, the optimum resolution assumes certain parameters: 25 cm viewing
distance, perfect lighting, etc. All changes will reduce the resolution.

But that's all mathematics. Has anybody actually compared a high res monitor
and a regular monitor side by side?

mike


Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:04 AM
To: Mike Bode

Hi all,

I have been following this thread with interest, as it affects us of course.
We would like to use higher resolution monitors for our TEM cameras, but
perhaps you could answer two questions for me:

1) What exactly would be the advantage of a high resolution monitor? Unless
you can see the pixilation on a regular monitor, a higher resolution monitor
would not show much more. To see more, the screen would also have to be much
bigger. Of course, you take a magnifying glass to the monitor and see more,
but that you can do with a zoom function on a regular monitor as well.

2) Is this worth around $10K or more to you?

mike

Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: john.mardinly-at-intel.com [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:29 AM
To: Mike Bode

Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
X-from: Vitaly Feingold [mailto:vitalylazar-at-att.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:40 PM
To: Microscopy Listserver; Don Chernoff at ASM; Mardinly, John

I am considering buying a paraffin microtome for our core facility. I don't
personally use one much so if any knowledgeable users have recommendations
on brands or models to buy (or avoid), i would welcome replies (probably
best sent to me directly and not the listserver). I will be happy to keep
your comments confidential. In addition, if there are special features you
think are essential, i would be pleased to hear of them also. thanks, tom



Thomas E. Phillips, PhD
Professor of Biological Sciences
Director, Molecular Cytology Core
2 Tucker Hall
University of Missouri
Columbia, MO 65211-7400

573-882-4712 (office)
573-882-0123 (fax)
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From: mcauliff-at-umdnj.edu
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:04:46 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: ink jet versus dye sub versus Pictrography

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Mike;
One meter viewing distance? Sorry, my arms are no where near that long. Fortunately my presbyopia is compensated by severe myopia. Otherwise, use reading glasses. Closer up (~1 foot?), the human eye can resolve ~80-100 microns, which is 250-300 DPI, which is why probably why 300 DPI has been a target spec for printers for a long time. The IBM T221 has a pixel pitch of 0.1245 millimeters, so those pixels are half the size of the pixels of garden variety monitors that cost less, and the way that translates into 200DPI is (25 mm/in)/(0.1245 mm/pixel)=200.8 pixels/inch. BTW, I can see the vertical mask stripes of my Sony monitor with my naked eye if I get close, and everybody in our lab could see the difference between a 400DPI Fuji Pictrograph print and a monitor display.

John Mardinly
Intel


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-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net [mailto:Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:46 AM
To: Mardinly, John

Hello John,

I am not quite sure what it means when you say that the resolution of the
human eye is 300 DPI. I looked up an article on the web
(http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/864446241.Ph.r.html), which
specifies the angular resolution of the human eye under optimum conditions
as 1/60th of a degree. If I do my math right, the resolution is then given
by:

2 x distance x tan (angle/2).

For a viewing distance of about 1m, I get a resolution of 0.3mm (which
corresponds to about 220 DPI at 1m distance), which is more or less the dot
pitch of a normal monitor (a 21" LCD at 1600x1200 has a dot pitch of
0.294mm). So, I think the normal monitors are actually at the limits of the
human eye's resolution. If your eyes were much better, you should be able to
see the individual red, green, and blue dots from a distance of 1m.

As I said, the optimum resolution assumes certain parameters: 25 cm viewing
distance, perfect lighting, etc. All changes will reduce the resolution.

But that's all mathematics. Has anybody actually compared a high res monitor
and a regular monitor side by side?

mike


Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:04 AM
To: Mike Bode

Hi all,

I have been following this thread with interest, as it affects us of course.
We would like to use higher resolution monitors for our TEM cameras, but
perhaps you could answer two questions for me:

1) What exactly would be the advantage of a high resolution monitor? Unless
you can see the pixilation on a regular monitor, a higher resolution monitor
would not show much more. To see more, the screen would also have to be much
bigger. Of course, you take a magnifying glass to the monitor and see more,
but that you can do with a zoom function on a regular monitor as well.

2) Is this worth around $10K or more to you?

mike

Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: john.mardinly-at-intel.com [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:29 AM
To: Mike Bode

Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
X-from: Vitaly Feingold [mailto:vitalylazar-at-att.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:40 PM
To: Microscopy Listserver; Don Chernoff at ASM; Mardinly, John

Hi John,

I was actually talking about monitors. I agree with you that you normally
look at prints at a shorter distance, but I think 1 m for a monitor is a
reasonable distance.

And what you are saying ("BTW, I can see the vertical mask stripes of my
Sony monitor with my naked eye if I get close") basically confirms my
assumption: If you are NOT up close, you can't see the stripe, so the pixel
size is close to resolution of the eye (at normal viewing distances). You
would not be able to see or detect a further reduction in pixel size. I
don't know if the width of the vertical mask is the same as a pixel. I, for
one, cannot see individual green, red and blue pixels when I look at a white
spot on the monitor, unless I use a magnifying glass.

Comparing printers and monitors is difficult. One is "back-illuminated", the
other shows reflected light, the color gamut is different, etc. I'd be
interested to hear from someone who has compared a normal LCD monitor with a
high resolution LCD monitor.

mike



Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Mike Bode
Cc: Listserver

Hello John,

I am not quite sure what it means when you say that the resolution of the
human eye is 300 DPI. I looked up an article on the web
(http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/864446241.Ph.r.html), which
specifies the angular resolution of the human eye under optimum conditions
as 1/60th of a degree. If I do my math right, the resolution is then given
by:

2 x distance x tan (angle/2).

For a viewing distance of about 1m, I get a resolution of 0.3mm (which
corresponds to about 220 DPI at 1m distance), which is more or less the dot
pitch of a normal monitor (a 21" LCD at 1600x1200 has a dot pitch of
0.294mm). So, I think the normal monitors are actually at the limits of the
human eye's resolution. If your eyes were much better, you should be able to
see the individual red, green, and blue dots from a distance of 1m.

As I said, the optimum resolution assumes certain parameters: 25 cm viewing
distance, perfect lighting, etc. All changes will reduce the resolution.

But that's all mathematics. Has anybody actually compared a high res monitor
and a regular monitor side by side?

mike


Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:04 AM
To: Mike Bode

Hi all,

I have been following this thread with interest, as it affects us of course.
We would like to use higher resolution monitors for our TEM cameras, but
perhaps you could answer two questions for me:

1) What exactly would be the advantage of a high resolution monitor? Unless
you can see the pixilation on a regular monitor, a higher resolution monitor
would not show much more. To see more, the screen would also have to be much
bigger. Of course, you take a magnifying glass to the monitor and see more,
but that you can do with a zoom function on a regular monitor as well.

2) Is this worth around $10K or more to you?

mike

Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: john.mardinly-at-intel.com [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:29 AM
To: Mike Bode

Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
X-from: Vitaly Feingold [mailto:vitalylazar-at-att.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:40 PM
To: Microscopy Listserver; Don Chernoff at ASM; Mardinly, John

Mike;
Phil Batson reported at M&M 2004 that it was extremely useful and highly recommended. Vitaly Feingold reported this week in the Listserver that he has two. Perhaps he can also describe the experience of beholding an IBM T221.

John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net [mailto:Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:49 PM
To: Mardinly, John

Hi John,

I was actually talking about monitors. I agree with you that you normally
look at prints at a shorter distance, but I think 1 m for a monitor is a
reasonable distance.

And what you are saying ("BTW, I can see the vertical mask stripes of my
Sony monitor with my naked eye if I get close") basically confirms my
assumption: If you are NOT up close, you can't see the stripe, so the pixel
size is close to resolution of the eye (at normal viewing distances). You
would not be able to see or detect a further reduction in pixel size. I
don't know if the width of the vertical mask is the same as a pixel. I, for
one, cannot see individual green, red and blue pixels when I look at a white
spot on the monitor, unless I use a magnifying glass.

Comparing printers and monitors is difficult. One is "back-illuminated", the
other shows reflected light, the color gamut is different, etc. I'd be
interested to hear from someone who has compared a normal LCD monitor with a
high resolution LCD monitor.

mike



Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Mike Bode
Cc: Listserver

Hello John,

I am not quite sure what it means when you say that the resolution of the
human eye is 300 DPI. I looked up an article on the web
(http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/864446241.Ph.r.html), which
specifies the angular resolution of the human eye under optimum conditions
as 1/60th of a degree. If I do my math right, the resolution is then given
by:

2 x distance x tan (angle/2).

For a viewing distance of about 1m, I get a resolution of 0.3mm (which
corresponds to about 220 DPI at 1m distance), which is more or less the dot
pitch of a normal monitor (a 21" LCD at 1600x1200 has a dot pitch of
0.294mm). So, I think the normal monitors are actually at the limits of the
human eye's resolution. If your eyes were much better, you should be able to
see the individual red, green, and blue dots from a distance of 1m.

As I said, the optimum resolution assumes certain parameters: 25 cm viewing
distance, perfect lighting, etc. All changes will reduce the resolution.

But that's all mathematics. Has anybody actually compared a high res monitor
and a regular monitor side by side?

mike


Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: Mardinly, John [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:04 AM
To: Mike Bode

Hi all,

I have been following this thread with interest, as it affects us of course.
We would like to use higher resolution monitors for our TEM cameras, but
perhaps you could answer two questions for me:

1) What exactly would be the advantage of a high resolution monitor? Unless
you can see the pixilation on a regular monitor, a higher resolution monitor
would not show much more. To see more, the screen would also have to be much
bigger. Of course, you take a magnifying glass to the monitor and see more,
but that you can do with a zoom function on a regular monitor as well.

2) Is this worth around $10K or more to you?

mike

Michael Bode, Ph.D.
Soft Imaging System Corp.
12596 West Bayaud Avenue
Suite 300
Lakewood, CO 80228
===================================
phone:  (888) FIND SIS
        (303) 234-9270
fax:    (303) 234-9271
email:  mailto:info-at-soft-imaging.com
web:    http://www.soft-imaging.com
===================================


-----Original Message-----
X-from: john.mardinly-at-intel.com [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:29 AM
To: Mike Bode

Vitally;
Lucky you for getting these monitors. At $8400 for the monitor
and $2500 for the video card, not too many of us can get the funds for
one, but hey, compared to the price a new TEM, why don't new TEMs come
standard with at least TWO of these? I have yet to even see one. IBM
told me that the T220 was the original 9 megapixel monitor. It was
discontinued and then revived as the T221 with a 48 hertz refresh rate
and a font handling utility so that fonts could be displayed in a
readable size when the monitor was in 3840x2400 mode. What I don't
understand, is that over a month after they refused to sell one to me
because it was discontinued, it is still listed for sale on the IBM web
site!
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/intellistation/pro/t221/index.html


John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

-----Original Message-----
X-from: Vitaly Feingold [mailto:vitalylazar-at-att.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:40 PM
To: Microscopy Listserver; Don Chernoff at ASM; Mardinly, John

John et al.:

A few more details on what I wrote on this subject before. Lyson has
been making inks and papers for photo quality ink jet printing for some
time. Their new system is the "Daylight Darkroom". It is a dedicated 4
to 7 ink system (depending on your printer) for black and white printing
only. I think the price includes software and inks but no printer, the
system only works with certain printers. It has gotten very favorable
reviews in fine art photo magazines (May/June 2005 issue of Photo
Techniques, the review might be on the magazine's website
(www.phototechmag.com) or on Lyson's). Lyson will send you some sample
prints if you register at their website. I suspect that if someone sent
Lyson a digital TEM or SEM image they might make a print of that as a
sales tool. I'll bet they have no idea that there is a market for their
products in the EM field. I only wish I did more than a few prints per
year of parts of ground up cells.
Lyson is not the only firm making inks, papers and printing systems
for fine art B&W photography. Check out InkjetMall.com or MediaStreet.com.
Disclaimer: I don't have any financial interest in any of the firms
or products I mentioned.

Geoff


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From: cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:02:15 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Characterization of thin film coatings by TEM

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Richard E. Edelmann wrote:
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O.k., I'm a materials neophyte and I'm looking for some
direction. I can ultramicrotome things, I can crush and fracture
things, and I can physically polish things, but now I am facing a new
sample area: How do I prepare thin films, inorganic, crystal and
semi-crystaline grown on a hard smooth substraight (glass, Si,
Mica, etc.)? Film thickness below 1-micrometer, mostly below
300nm. We would like to study the morphology of the film via SEM
or TEM. EDS and EBSD would also be nice. So how do I get a
clean cross-section of the thin film? Buying a dual-column/beam
FIB/SEM might be a nice idea but seems a little over-kill, eh? Can
someone point me in the right direction? Ion-beam milling? Ion-
beam polishing? Sectioning glass or Si crystal just does not sound
like a good idea.

Next are there any thoughts on buying equipment and doing this in
house vs having samples preped off-campus (I acknowledge that
there are some techniques and equipment that are just really tricky).
===============================================
Since you are already set up to do ultramicrotomy, have you considered the following:

a) Take a freshly cleaved stripping of HOPG and then do your evaporation. If you are
not familiar with HOPG, see URL
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/new/hopgsub.shtml In terms of smoothness, HOPG can be
atomically smooth, the size of the atomically smooth areas depending on the grade of
the HOPG selected.

b) Put the HOPG stripping in a flat embedding mold and then expose the coated
sample, HOPG side up, to an oxygen plasma, such as in one of our Plasma Prep II
plasma etchers, which will etch away the HOPG but leave your coating intact.

c) Fill the cavity containing the thin film, now with HOPG removed, with your
favorite Epon 812 substitute, or SPI-Pon 812 and after curing,

d) Face off the block and diamond knife thin section the coating.

A variation on this theme would be to substitute a freshly cleaved surface of NaCl
for the substrate, and after coating, the NaCl is dissolved away and the coating
when dry, can be embedded as above.

You should have no difficulty getting good TEM images of the coating.

We actually prefer diamond knife thin sectioning to other methods for this kind of
sample. It is not a method free of artifacts. But when they are ones that are
induced by the knife edge itself, they are directional and easily recognized as
being artifacts, but for the other approaches one might consider, the artifacts are
not directional and therefore much more difficult to recognize.

Disclaimer: SPI Supplies offers HOPG, plasma etchers, diamond knives, and NaCl
crystals so we would have a vested interest in promoting this approach relative to
others.

Chuck

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From: cgarber-at-2spi.com
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:09:02 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] carbon evaporation problem

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Oldrich Benada wrote:
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We have troubles with evaporation control unit BSV 202 of our BALZERS BAF
301 FE device. Does anybody have some experiences with it?

The current needed for carbon evaporation suddenly jumped so high that the
8 A fuse blown out happend. After replacing it, the current needed for
carbon evaporation stays too high and exceeds the permitted current of
safeguarding 8A fuse. There are no differences if we use evaporator 1
(transformer 1) or evaporator 2 (transformer 2).
For carbon evaporation we use sharpenned carbon rods.

Thanking in advance for any suggestion.
=================================================================
Have you switched sources for your "carbon" rods lately? First, some
vendors offering "carbon" rods are really offering graphite rods. It is my
own perception that most people who think they are using carbon rods are
actually using graphite rods. Also, even among graphite rods, there is a
large variation of resistivities (due to variations in density). So a
common problem is that one procures the wrong kind of rods (which would have
a resistivity that is out of range for their instrumental set up) so that in
order to get evaporation, they exceed the instrumental parameters of their
system. See URL
http://2spi.com/catalog/spec_prep/carbon-graphite-rods.html
for our simple "test" to judge which type of rod you are actually using.

If you have not switched rod vendors, then the second most common reason is
that you are not making a sharp enough "point". Hence the tip, in order to
get hot enough to evaporate carbon, draws so much current, you exceed the
limits of your system. For the optimum dimensions for rod tips, see the
drawings on URL
http://2spi.com/catalog/spec_prep/carbon-rods.shtml

Rods can be purchased pre-sharpened from all of the major suppliers of
consumables for EM laboratories, such as SPI, but if you want to make your
own presharpened points, carbon rod sharpeners can be purchased as well such
as are found on URL
http://2spi.com/catalog/spec_prep/carbon-rod-sharpener.shtml

Disclaimer: SPI Supplies offers carbon and graphite rods as well as
sharpeners.

Chuck

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From: Mike.Bode-at-soft-imaging.net
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:48:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Microscopy] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Image review: Hard copy vs. PC

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It is unquestionably right that the distance of best resolution for the
human eye is about 25 cm. However, I was talking about working on a monitor,
and I am typically sitting at arm's length from it. I just measured my arm,
and it is 75 cm. I do not work with a monitor with my eyes 25 cm from the
screen. Would definitely give me headaches.

I am not trying to prove to everyone that high res monitors are useless, far
from it. But I am personally not convinced that it would be worth $10,000.
Considering the eye's resolution and the options of today's software, I
think you can easily get what you want on a lower res monitor.

mike

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X-from: john.mardinly-at-intel.com [mailto:john.mardinly-at-intel.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 18:50
To: Mike Bode

Barbara;
YES! 10 inches is the right number! That's just slightly less than
the length of my arms, and slightly more than the length of my nose, so
everything I look at ends up at about 10 inches.

John Mardinly
Intel


The opinions of this author do not necessarily represent the opinions on
Intel Corporation.

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From: zaluzec-at-microscopy.com
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Distance to the Monitor

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Mike etal

For someone that also has far too much monitor/eye neck strain
I also work at 75 cm distance. To make matters worse my
desktop systems are both 3200x1200 pixels... (Dual HR Monitors)
and I sometimes run with multiple virtual desktops
(giving me an effective desktop area of 6400x3200 pixels. You can't
display this all at once, but switching is very quick (on a Mac or Linux box)

I guess this is just a comment on technology. We are now overloaded
sometimes with far too much information or we are just "parallell processing"
alot now adays. Thinking back I don't see how I used to get along with the
old 640x480 monitors or even worse the old VT100 text terminals.

Sigh....

Nestor
Your Friendly Neighborhood SysOp

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From: normzoo-at-yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: LM Nikon AFM microscope camera

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Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver: LM Nikon AFM microscope camera

Question: This piece of equipment seems to be relatively common. What is the usual reason for the Nikon AFM microflex shutter to stop working on this model of microscope camera?

The controller works fine and has fresh batteries.

Is this something that can be easily repaired?

If not, who can repair it.

Thank you for any help.

Norman

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From: walck-at-southbaytech.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] re: Imaging thin films

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Richard,

If you can crush, fracture, and polish samples, you are well on your way to
preparing samples by other means. South Bay Technology, as well as our
competitors, sell complete lines of sample preparation equipment for doing
what you want to do. A lot of the expertise of sample prep has been built
into the instruments or is contained in the operating manuals. At the South
Bay Technology web site, www.southbaytech.com, you can find a list of
application notes and technical papers associated with each instrument. At
our competitors' sites, you can find similar information. South Bay
Technology isn't the only company that has an experienced microscopist on
staff (just the best, LOL -Sorry Wolfgang and Rocco. I just couldn't
resist.). There are also short courses that involve sample preparation.
Ron Anderson and I are teaching a one day short course on TEM sample
preparation at the M&M 2005 meeting that you might be interested in
attending. We, as well as our competitors, periodically announce short
courses on general EM preparation techniques and on specific techniques.

For your immediate needs, I would recommend the MicroCleave(TM) technique,
(aka Small Angle Cleavage Technique). This is our model 520 kit and there
is a "how to" instruction guide that I wrote that you can get at our site to
learn how to do this. It is applicable to silicon, III-V and II-V
compounds, SiC, sapphire, GaN, glass, and other brittle materials. It
produces extremely good samples and is fairly easy to learn how to do and to
teach students and doesn't require any more skills that you have already
stated that you have.

For using other sample prep techniques such as dimpling, ion milling, and
Tripod Polishing, you can also find specific information about these
techniques at our website or you can refer to the four MRS proceedings on
TEM Preparation for the Physical Sciences. The common editor in these four
proceedings is Ron Anderson. I am not in my office at the moment, or I
would give you the volume numbers, but I do remember three: 115, 254, and
480.

Another good way of finding out about these techniques is to find a
university with an electron microscopy center that has an experienced lab
director and ask for their advice. A few universities that immediately come
to mind since I visited or used their facilities are Carnegie Mellon Univ,
North Carolina State Univ, Ohio State Univ, Univ of Florida, Univ of
California at Irvine, and Penn State Univ. I hope that I haven't slighted
anyone. The people at these centers have dealt with a multitude of
materials and sample preparation techniques and have a wealth of
information. If they can't help you, they will know who can.

I hope this helps.

-Scott

Scott D. Walck, Ph.D.
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From: walck-at-southbaytech.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] re: carbon evaporation problem

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I am not familiar with this unit. However, your description sounds like there is a short in the electrodes. Have you checked to see whether evaporated material has put a conductive path between your electrodes? Try putting a current through without the carbon rod to see if you still get a high or even a low current draw. If you do, clean the system.

-Scott

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From: ekman-at-itg.uiuc.edu
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Question: Hello,

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From: svanhorn-at-notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:07:50 -0500
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Question: has anyone ever used DAP Weldwood contact cement mixed with xylene to help in picking up serial sections???..if so how did you use it and at what dilution???
thanks
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From: xburany-at-yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:44:15 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Used LM

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We want purchase a used optical microscope with
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From: lcgould-at-med.cornell.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:38:21 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: AskAMicroscopist: DAP Weldwood contact cement

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Sue,
I don't remember if it was contact cement or some other glue, but I do remember reading (years ago) about painting the top and bottom sides of the block with a dilute "stick-um" so that as the sections were cut, they adhered to one another via the layer of sticky stuff on the edges. I never tried it, and I don't know how, if the sections adhere so well, one is supposed to separate the ribbon into pieces that will fit on a grid.
I know this isn't much help, but at least you know you're not the only one who has heard of such an approach.
Lee
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Is the reply to fixed?

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From: milleri-at-ohio.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Weldwood cement & serial sections

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Sue,
The use of Weldwood cement "diluted with one or two parts of commercially
available contact cement thinner" (20% n-butyl acetate, 80% mineral spirits)
to coat the leading and trailing block faces plus many other technique tips
for serial sectioning was published by WH Fahrenbach J. Electron Microscopy
Technique 1:387-398; 1984. See also EC Henry Stain Technol. 52: 59-60; 1977
who I think was first to use contact cement for this purpose


Iain Miller
Department of Biological Sciences
Ohio University
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Question: I'm looking for a semi-permanent mounting medium with the best possible refractive index match to immersion oil and a cover slip (ie as close as possible to 1.515).

The best I have found so far is 1.539

It is for mounting small (less than 2mm) insect structures.

It will be used for CLSM and thus would hopefully have minimal fluorescence.

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From: dsherman-at-purdue.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Film cassettes

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Folks,

Due to numerous camera jams over the years we are a bit short on film
cassettes for the Philips CM-10 and CM-100. I would appreciate your
contacting me if any of you have extra cassettes that you are willing to
give/sell to me.

Thanks,
Debby

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From: mgoheen-at-iupui.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Film cassettes

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Hi Debby,

I got quite a few from our Philips 300 before we got rid of it. How many
do you need? I use them to replace bad ones in our CM10 and they work
fine.

Mike

Michael P. Goheen
Electron Microscopy Lab
Dept. of Pathology & Lab Medicine
Indiana University School of Medicine
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Folks,

Due to numerous camera jams over the years we are a bit short on film
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contacting me if any of you have extra cassettes that you are willing to
give/sell to me.

Thanks,
Debby

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Purdue University E-mail: dsherman-at-purdue.edu
S-052 Whistler Building
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From: TindallR-at-missouri.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Dear Listers,

I have another one of my "back to the basics" questions that probably
make people wonder how the devil I ever got into this business in the
first place, but here goes anyway.

We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with a
bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we would
mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in advance
that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always used
copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something like
"Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an additional
mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction somehow.

Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry that
I am, asking the same question.

So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu with
PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause non-specific
background label; and 5) may be oxidized during labelling or interfere
with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled. Mostly
people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.

Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.

Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation, but
I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring customers.

Any takers?

Thanks in advance.

Randy

Randy Tindall
EM Specialist
Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
W122 Veterinary Medicine
University of Missouri
Columbia, MO 65211
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From: Rosemary.White-at-csiro.au
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Dear Randy,

I only ran into the "use only Ni or Au grids" rule here, in my current job,
and my predecessor certainly produced some superb images showing gold
labelling of TEM sections. Blissfully unaware of this rule, I had been
using copper grids for all EM immunolabelling. To get good labelling of one
particular structure, which is about 40 nm diameter, I used uncoated
thin-bar Cu grids so I could get labelling on both sides of the section -
seemed to work just fine. I'll be interested to see the responses to your
question.

cheers,
Rosemary

Dr. Rosemary White rosemary.white-at-csiro.au
Microscopy Centre ph. 61-2-6246 5475
CSIRO Plant Industry mob. 61-0402 835 973
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Canberra, ACT 2601
Australia


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}
} I have another one of my "back to the basics" questions that probably
} make people wonder how the devil I ever got into this business in the
} first place, but here goes anyway.
}
} We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
} sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with a
} bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we would
} mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in advance
} that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always used
} copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something like
} "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an additional
} mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction somehow.
}
} Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry that
} I am, asking the same question.
}
} So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu with
} PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause non-specific
} background label; and 5) may be oxidized during labelling or interfere
} with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled. Mostly
} people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
}
} Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
}
} Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
} of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation, but
} I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring customers.
}
} Any takers?
}
} Thanks in advance.
}
} Randy
}
} Randy Tindall
} EM Specialist
} Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
} W122 Veterinary Medicine
} University of Missouri
} Columbia, MO 65211
} Tel: (573) 882-8304
} Fax: (573) 884-2227
} Email: tindallr-at-missouri.edu
} Web: http://www.emc.missouri.edu
}
}
}
}
}
}
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From: hanke-at-mee-inc.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:02:49 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Stray X-rays in FE SEM?

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Dear Listers:

As usual, I am hoping to enlist the vast knowledge and experience of the
this group to solve a perplexing problem. Here is the puzzle.

We have noticed artifact elemental peaks in EDS spectra obtained with
our Oxford Inca system on a Hitachi S-4700 FESEM. For example, an
analysis in the center of a strip of 6 mm wide clean copper tape on an
aluminum stub generates a spectrum with large peaks for copper (this is
good) and a small aluminum peak (not good). Repeat the experiment with a
carbon stub, and the small aluminum peak is replaced by a carbon peak.

Oddly, the phenomenon is observed only with the microscope operating in
High Mag mode. The same analysis (same mag, count rate, etc.) on the
copper tape in Low Mag mode detects only copper. This result is similar
to what we might expect from beam scatter in a variable pressure SEM.

Anyone one out there experienced this problem? Anyone with a similar
microscope willing to try the copper tape experiment to let us know if
this is unique to our instrument or fundamental to the S-4700. Hitachi
and Oxford are perplexed so far.

Thanks for your kind assistance.

--
Larry D. Hanke, P.E.
Materials Evaluation and Engineering, Inc.
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From: Sally.Stowe-at-anu.edu.au
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Hi Randy,
I had problems with Cu grids when incubating sections for long periods -
overnight for instance. The copper would react with whatever was available
and form green-blue salts. Not unexpected. We switched to nickel grids for
a while but they charge, gold but they are delicate...by this time we had
shortened the incubation times used, and tried copper again... And had no
problem using coated grids and incubation times of an hour or so. Grids are
floated on drops of media so that only the coated side is wetted - I don't
know if that is important.

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From: gary-at-gaugler.com
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Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Stray X-rays in FE SEM?

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What is the analytical WD for EDS in this SEM?
What WD are you using?

gary g.


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From: dsherman-at-purdue.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:08:23 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Film cassettes

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Mike,

I didn't think the ones from the EM series would work in the CM series. Our
EM-400 took the larger plate cassettes with the film inserts. I thought
those inserts were different from the film holders that came with the CM
series but I may be wrong. If they do work than I may still have a few
around as well. I gave away most of my cameras and cassettes from the
EM-400 when we decommissioned it but still may have a few around. I'll check
and let you know if I would like to try the ones you have.

Are you going to M&M2005?

Debby


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} I got quite a few from our Philips 300 before we got rid of it. How many
} do you need? I use them to replace bad ones in our CM10 and they work
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} Mike
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} Due to numerous camera jams over the years we are a bit short on film
} cassettes for the Philips CM-10 and CM-100. I would appreciate your
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From: colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Stray X-rays in FE SEM?

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Larry,

I'm not overly familiar with the Hitachi SEMs, but is the "hi-mag" mode on
your SEM an immersion lens mode? This is most likely the case if you are
using an "in-lens" or "in-column" detector. If so, it is possible that the
BSE are being bent around by the immersion field and striking back on the
sample. Depending on the immersion field, this could be close or far from
the beam. These will probably still be within the viewing angle of your
EDS collimator. In their immersion lens SEMs, FEI provides an EDS mode
with a weakened immersion lens field so that the BSE are bent somewhat less
and strike outside the field of view of the EDS collimator.

Cheers,
Henk


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From: colijn.1-at-osu.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Film cassettes

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Debbie,

The CM series used both the 36 and 56 sheet film boxes. We have both an
early CM12 which used the 2-part film carriers (36 exposure box; same as
our old EM400) and a CM200 with the thinner single piece film carriers (56
exposure box). I don't know if the EM300 used the same film carriers as
the EM400 series since the camera boxes in the EM300 we had (years ago)
were different. The EM400 and later Philips/FEI scopes use the single
"behind the column" film box assembly

I believe the issue is more the film box than the microscope. ...and more
specifically, the film transport tray since the 2 carriers are different
thicknesses. The boxes have the same outside dimensions and are (I
believe) interchangeable. In other words, I could take my old 36 exposure
film box, drop it right into my CM200 and only need to change the film
stock number. CAUTION -- I haven't actually tested this since I haven't
felt motivated to reduce the number of exposures in my microscope!

Cheers,
Henk


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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Randy,

We used Cu grids for many years. Normally we use formvar + carbon coated
grids for ICC since we have a lot less loss of sections. We also tend to do
long incubations ...usually overnight. This is time efficient and also lets
us use highly diluted antibody so also minimize background due to
cross-reactions from contaminants in polyclonal antibodies.

Occasionally we would have a reaction due to copper oxidizing with resultant
green solution. I attributed this to salts or traces of Tween 20 in the
buffer and breaks in the coating exposing the Cu. As far as I can see, this
is the only reason for not using Cu grids if you use coated grids. We have
switched for the most part to using coated Ni grids to avoid this problem.

On the other hand, occasionally we need to do a double labeling using
uncoated grids and both sides of the sections. I would hesitate to use Cu
for this and prefer Ni. Gold would work but is both more expensive and more
delicate than Ni grids.

Debby


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} first place, but here goes anyway.
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} We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
} sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with a
} bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we would
} mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in advance
} that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always used
} copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something like
} "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an additional
} mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction somehow.
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} Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry that
} I am, asking the same question.
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} So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu with
} PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause non-specific
} background label; and 5) may be oxidized during labelling or interfere
} with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled. Mostly
} people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
}
} Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
}
} Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
} of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation, but
} I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring customers.
}
} Any takers?
}
} Thanks in advance.
}
} Randy
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From: paul_hazelton-at-umanitoba.ca
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:55:26 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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The film holders for the Philips EM400 and the CM series are the same. The
same holders can be used in the Philips EM201,EM300, EM301 . With the
inserts
you load cut film without you load glass plates.
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randy

you don't say what your client's stuff looked like. that would help.

had a former director, before i grew up and went back to school - or was
that truly growing up? anyway, out of nickel grids, not to mention
formvar-nickel. she wanted IEM done. then! forthwith! no delay! do
not put it of! threat of discipline if not in her hands that
afternoon!! etc. insisted i use copper. this was also on formvar
coated grids. not pretty, quite nasty, large semicrystals of junk all
over. really did not look good after the second and third try.

there were several possible problems. first, we spun things onto the
grid, 30 minutes in an air driven ultracentrifuge. so the copper back
surface was guaranteed to get wet and react with the buffer. or perhaps
it was the buffer she had things in, i never could get a straight answer
from her on that one.

recently i did a long ultracentrifuge run to load some 10S particles
onto a formvar-copper grid. the grids also reacted with the phosphate
buffer over the 4 hour spin time. again, not a pretty picture - i had
to go back to my collaborator and get fresh material so we could put it
onto formvar-nickel grids. wonderful gentleman. much more mature.
real pleasure to collaborate with.

having said that, i read what rosemary white, sally stowe and debbie
sherman have said. i make no pretense about my opinion on dogma
(dogma-schmogma, it ain't gospel until i try it and prove the fact to me
personally). give it a go and let the rest of us try out to see what
happens. perhaps i will even try it in my overworked 10 finger lab.
but after the two molecular experiments i need to do in order get that
paper of mine accepted on resubmission, and the 7 other collaborators'
projects, the looking at micrographs from 2 outside sources with
questions, etc. all right, i exagerate, it's not quite that bad but i
really do have to get back to one person about his results before i go
on holiday tomorrow.

give it a shot and let us know

paul

Paul R. Hazelton, PhD
Electron Microscope Unit
University of Manitoba
Department of Medical Microbiology
531 Basic Medical Sciences Building
730 William Avenue
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, R3E 0W3
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From: eprincipe01-at-hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:22:57 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Stray X-rays in FE SEM?

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With magnetic field active, test stray signal as a function of WD. Same experiment with a charge sensitive sample should also be interesting, not for x-ray, but SE. response.




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Dear Listers:

As usual, I am hoping to enlist the vast knowledge and experience of the
this group to solve a perplexing problem. Here is the puzzle.

We have noticed artifact elemental peaks in EDS spectra obtained with
our Oxford Inca system on a Hitachi S-4700 FESEM. For example, an
analysis in the center of a strip of 6 mm wide clean copper tape on an
aluminum stub generates a spectrum with large peaks for copper (this is
good) and a small aluminum peak (not good). Repeat the experiment with a
carbon stub, and the small aluminum peak is replaced by a carbon peak.

Oddly, the phenomenon is observed only with the microscope operating in
High Mag mode. The same analysis (same mag, count rate, etc.) on the
copper tape in Low Mag mode detects only copper. This result is similar
to what we might expect from beam scatter in a variable pressure SEM.

Anyone one out there experienced this problem? Anyone with a similar
microscope willing to try the copper tape experiment to let us know if
this is unique to our instrument or fundamental to the S-4700. Hitachi
and Oxford are perplexed so far.

Thanks for your kind assistance.

--
Larry D. Hanke, P.E.
Materials Evaluation and Engineering, Inc.
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From: YANGA-at-AGR.GC.CA
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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I had a bad experience with formvar-copper grids in immunogold experiment many years ago when incubating primary antibody overnight and the rest done on the following morning. I am using Nickel grids now -- no more problems.

Ann Fook Yang
EM Unit/ Unite EM
Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada/Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada
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Dear Randy,

I only ran into the "use only Ni or Au grids" rule here, in my current job,
and my predecessor certainly produced some superb images showing gold
labelling of TEM sections. Blissfully unaware of this rule, I had been
using copper grids for all EM immunolabelling. To get good labelling of one
particular structure, which is about 40 nm diameter, I used uncoated
thin-bar Cu grids so I could get labelling on both sides of the section -
seemed to work just fine. I'll be interested to see the responses to your
question.

cheers,
Rosemary

Dr. Rosemary White rosemary.white-at-csiro.au
Microscopy Centre ph. 61-2-6246 5475
CSIRO Plant Industry mob. 61-0402 835 973
GPO Box 1600 fax. 61-2-6246 5334
Canberra, ACT 2601
Australia


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} I have another one of my "back to the basics" questions that probably
} make people wonder how the devil I ever got into this business in the
} first place, but here goes anyway.
}
} We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
} sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with a
} bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we would
} mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in advance
} that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always used
} copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something like
} "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an additional
} mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction somehow.
}
} Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry that
} I am, asking the same question.
}
} So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu with
} PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause non-specific
} background label; and 5) may be oxidized during labelling or interfere
} with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled. Mostly
} people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
}
} Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
}
} Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
} of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation, but
} I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring customers.
}
} Any takers?
}
} Thanks in advance.
}
} Randy
}
} Randy Tindall
} EM Specialist
} Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
} W122 Veterinary Medicine
} University of Missouri
} Columbia, MO 65211
} Tel: (573) 882-8304
} Fax: (573) 884-2227
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We have had problems with Cu grids, even Formvar coated ones. I have
precoated copper grids with Parlodion by dipping, blotting and drying
before use, with or with out a formvar coating. THat method seems to
protect the copper from reacting with PBS or whatever. This is not
original to me, but I cannot recall where I read this (among many other
things I can no longer recall). I think it might have been one of those
smart Swiss guys.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:37:12 -0500
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What's the big deal about preferring Cu to Ni anyway?
Right, there is the charging problem with Nickel, but if
you use anti-magnetic tweezers they are just as easy
to handle than copper. And the price is really not that
much more! We sometimes have to leave grids
overnight or longer on solutions, so to be safe we use
nickel for this. Since we don't want to make and keep
separate stocks of copper and nickel, we switched
entirely to nickel grids, and have had no problems with
any of our applications. Am I missing something here?!!

Marc

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} We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
} sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with
} a
} bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we would
} mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in
} advance
} that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always used
} copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something like
} "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an additional
} mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction somehow.
}
} Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry that
} I am, asking the same question.
}
} So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu with
} PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause non-specific
} background label; and 5) may be oxidized during labelling or
} interfere
} with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled.
} Mostly
} people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
}
} Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
}
} Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
} of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation, but
} I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring customers.
}
} Any takers?
}
} Thanks in advance.
}
} Randy
}
} Randy Tindall
} EM Specialist
} Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
} W122 Veterinary Medicine
} University of Missouri
} Columbia, MO 65211
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From: TindallR-at-missouri.edu
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Marc,

It doesn't make a lot of difference to me either way, except to be able
to actually have an intelligent explanation when our users ask questions
about our methods. That said, there are times when we do get severe
image distortion in our TEM when using Ni grids with a healthy charge on
them. But my main motivation was curiosity, nada mas.

Randy

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What's the big deal about preferring Cu to Ni anyway?
Right, there is the charging problem with Nickel, but if you use
anti-magnetic tweezers they are just as easy to handle than copper. And
the price is really not that much more! We sometimes have to leave grids
overnight or longer on solutions, so to be safe we use nickel for this.
Since we don't want to make and keep separate stocks of copper and
nickel, we switched entirely to nickel grids, and have had no problems
with any of our applications. Am I missing something here?!!

Marc

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} I have another one of my "back to the basics" questions that probably
} make people wonder how the devil I ever got into this business in the
} first place, but here goes anyway.
}
} We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for

} sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with

} a bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we
} would mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in

} advance that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always

} used copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something
} like "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an
} additional mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction
} somehow.
}
} Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry
} that I am, asking the same question.
}
} So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu
with
} PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause
} non-specific background label; and 5) may be oxidized during
} labelling or interfere
} with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled.
} Mostly
} people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
}
} Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
}
} Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all

} of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation,
} but I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring
customers.
}
} Any takers?
}
} Thanks in advance.
}
} Randy
}
} Randy Tindall
} EM Specialist
} Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well!
} W122 Veterinary Medicine
} University of Missouri
} Columbia, MO 65211
} Tel: (573) 882-8304
} Fax: (573) 884-2227
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From: ehaller-at-hsc.usf.edu
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Randy,

The main problem encountered with copper grids used for
immunocytochemistry or immunogold labeling is the reaction of the copper
with salts in the buffers used during labeling. This is a time-related
reaction, and can usually be avoided by having short labeling runs and
using grids with films on them. Gilder grids, available from major
microscope supply vendors, are gold-coated copper grids, and are not
that much more expensive than regular copper grids. These grids may be
the variety used by researchers who have reported having no problems
with their grids during their immuno runs.
I usually use nickel grids for my work, but have used
formvar-coated copper grids without problems for 1 day immuno runs so
long as the film is intact and as long as I don't get clumsy and end up
sinking my grids in my solutions (if I do sink them, I do a quick
distilled water rinse, blot the back of the grids with filter paper
until almost dry, then re-float them where I left off). As others have
shared, the nickel grids are much sturdier, not too expensive, and are
not a problem to handle as long as you use antimagnetic forceps. With
the nickel grids, remember to correct for astigmatism in the TEM by
using a hole in your sample on the nickel grid. This will accommodate
for any inherent residual magnetic field in the grid itself.

Edward Haller
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From: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Hi Randy,

Sorry for any misunderstanding - My response was not
really directed at you, but at the EM community in general
who for some reason seems to be biased towards copper.
I have never understood this. I have been doing EM for
nearly 20 years, exclusively using nickel grids, and would
really like to find out if I was mistaken this entire time!! Or
is it just another case of "dogma", like Paul put in nicely
in his posting?
Anyway, I will read with interest the responses you get
to your posting!
Best

Marc

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} It doesn't make a lot of difference to me either way, except to be able
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} What's the big deal about preferring Cu to Ni anyway?
} Right, there is the charging problem with Nickel, but if you use
} anti-magnetic tweezers they are just as easy to handle than copper. And
} the price is really not that much more! We sometimes have to leave
} grids
} overnight or longer on solutions, so to be safe we use nickel for this.
} Since we don't want to make and keep separate stocks of copper and
} nickel, we switched entirely to nickel grids, and have had no problems
} with any of our applications. Am I missing something here?!!
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} } I have another one of my "back to the basics" questions that probably
} } make people wonder how the devil I ever got into this business in the
} } first place, but here goes anyway.
} }
} } We have a client who prepares his own blocks and brings them to us for
}
} } sectioning, staining, viewing, etc. One day he came into the lab with
}
} } a bunch of sections on copper mesh grids which he had done
} } immunocytochemistry with standard gold-conjugated secondaries. After
} } viewing them, I offered him the standard advice that next time we
} } would mount some sections on nickel or gold grids if he let us know in
}
} } advance that he would be doing immunocytochemistry. He said he always
}
} } used copper and asked why he should switch. My answer was something
} } like "Umm-uhhh.....because it's always done that way" with an
} } additional mumble about copper interfering with the labeling reaction
} } somehow.
} }
} } Now I have another client, also infinitely more savvy in chemistry
} } that I am, asking the same question.
} }
} } So I checked through our little in-house research library (again) and
} } did some targeted Googling (again) and found that some folks say that
} } copper: 1) reacts with Tris-HCL buffer (okay, but we hardly ever use
} } that anyway); 2) may react with PBS buffers to produce fine
} } precipitates (but, but....doesn't that mean we should NEVER use Cu
} with
} } PBS?); 3) reacts with gold colloid (no other explanation given), 4)
} } can alter the charge distribution of the section and cause
} } non-specific background label; and 5) may be oxidized during
} } labelling or interfere
} } with oxidation of chemical groups in the tissue to be labelled.
} } Mostly
} } people just say to use Ni or Au without stating any reasons.
} }
} } Also, a glance through the literature shows that it's not uncommon to
} } find perfectly successful immunolabelling done on copper grids.
} }
} } Now, if I were determined to invade a country called Copper any or all
}
} } of the above reasons could be used with little further explanation,
} } but I'd like to know the Truth and pass it along to my admiring
} customers.
} }
} } Any takers?
} }
} } Thanks in advance.
} }
} } Randy
} }
} } Randy Tindall
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From: tonygr-at-MIT.EDU
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:32:00 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Over the years I have frequently seen cases where the samples themselves
have reacted with the copper grid. Two examples:

1) Looking at Fe-S precipitates in magnetotactic bacteria, when the
precipitates were ugly and analyzed as copper sulphide. Our surmise was
that the iron and copper had undergone ion exchange while the grid (and
carbon film) was wet with the culture medium. When we used nickel grids,
the precipitates were well formed and composed of iron and sulphur.

2) Looking at Si precipitates in Al-Si electronic bond wire. The
specimens were prepared by embedding and microtoming, floating in DI
water. The Si precipitates were surrounded by an ugly mess containing
masses of copper. Again, presumed to me electrochemical reaction between
the Al and the Cu grid, through the DI water medium, somehow preferentially
at the Si precipitates. Again, use of Ni grids produced good pictures
allowing us to characterize the precipitation.

Having said all that, we continue to default to use copper grids!

Tony.


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From: MSHERWOOD-at-PARTNERS.ORG
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Subject: [Microscopy] RE: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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Thanks for your weigh-in on this subject. I was sorry to learn of your hearing
problems; has this been coming on gradually or did something happen (i.e. a
severe cold, etc.)to bring the hearing loss on?

I was surprised to learn that Boston is not yet out of the running for an MSA
meeting! If I can help in any way, I'll throw my hat in the ring.

Hope your summer (now that it is the middle of July!) is going well.

Peggy

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Wellman Center for Photomedicine (W224)
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Over the years I have frequently seen cases where the samples themselves
have reacted with the copper grid. Two examples:

1) Looking at Fe-S precipitates in magnetotactic bacteria, when the
precipitates were ugly and analyzed as copper sulphide. Our surmise was
that the iron and copper had undergone ion exchange while the grid (and
carbon film) was wet with the culture medium. When we used nickel grids,
the precipitates were well formed and composed of iron and sulphur.

2) Looking at Si precipitates in Al-Si electronic bond wire. The
specimens were prepared by embedding and microtoming, floating in DI
water. The Si precipitates were surrounded by an ugly mess containing
masses of copper. Again, presumed to me electrochemical reaction between
the Al and the Cu grid, through the DI water medium, somehow preferentially
at the Si precipitates. Again, use of Ni grids produced good pictures
allowing us to characterize the precipitation.

Having said all that, we continue to default to use copper grids!

Tony.


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Question: HELP! We are in desparate need of some assisitance! We have a scientist in Texas who is in the field collecting crucial samples for TEM examination. They must be collected in the next couple of days. Our efforts to send (via DHL) good fixative (standard em fix for plants a double aldehyde in a 0.1 M cacodylate) have failed! The person is located in Plainview, Texas. Is there anyone on this listserver who could make us some fixtive (150 mls)for this person to come pick up? Preferably within an hour radius? If you can, Please call 515-294-3872 as soon as possible. We would be in your debt!!
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From: gcc-at-couger.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: viaWWW: Help with Fixative near Plainview Texas

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Your best bet would be to call some one at Texas Tech in Lubbock
http://www.macmed.ttuhsc.edu/ They may be more than an hour from
Plainview but that close to the edge of the world. Your only
other chance is Amarillo with the TAM Vet Med Diagnostic lab
http://www.medcenter.org/facilities/am-vetlab.html.

Good luck
Gordon

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From: andrew.mcnaughton-at-stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:43:43 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Nikon Diaphot Epi-Fluorescence

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Hello

Does anyone have a Nikon Diaphot epi-fluorescence lamp house and filter
set/holder for sale? Alternatively, if anyone knows of a second hand
microscope parts vendor?

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Andrew



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From: sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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I am using titanium tweezers with nickel grids - they are cheap nowadays
and I like them (tweezers) for light weight and soft action. I am using
carbon coating on top of all my plastic films (copper or nickel grids) and
have no problems with charge/astigmatism. I suspect, charging problem
happens when grids quite old and/or dirty. Sergey

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From: jfb-at-uidaho.edu
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:27:34 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: viaWWW: Help with Fixative near Plainview

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John Oren, Vermontoptech 802 425 2040
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Actually, TTU is only about 45 minutes from Plainview, and both the Dept. of
Bio. Sci. and the TTU Medical School have electron microscopy labs.

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Your best bet would be to call some one at Texas Tech in Lubbock
http://www.macmed.ttuhsc.edu/ They may be more than an hour from
Plainview but that close to the edge of the world. Your only
other chance is Amarillo with the TAM Vet Med Diagnostic lab
http://www.medcenter.org/facilities/am-vetlab.html.

Good luck
Gordon

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From: r-holdford-at-ti.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Stray X-rays in FE SEM?

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Henk: I believe you are correct. The "hi-mag" mode does use an in-lens
detector and you will get x-ray peaks you are not wanting due to the way
the magnetic lens acts.

Larry: using "Analysis" mode will correct this problem. The WD for
this scope with an INCA detector should be about 12mm +/- 1mm. Using
the "hi-mag" mode for EDX work is not recommended; you won't get good
resolution at this working distance anyway and the in-lens detector
won't give a very good image at this distance, besides being very
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From: xuy-at-nih.gov
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:26:00 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: digital camera for my light microscope

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The actual retail price of T221 in the summer of 2004 (when T221 was
available from regular retail sources) was only $4K. Proper video adapters
are $800 to $1,200, largely matter of taste. It is safe to say the whole
deal was approximately. $5K. Totally worth it IMO. The figures around $8K to
$10K discussed in this thread are MSRP, not retail prices.

Vitaly Feingold
SIA
2773 Heath Lane
Duluth, GA 30096
Ph. 770-232-7785
Fax 770-232-1791
www.sia-cam.com

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Hi John,

The advantages besides the obvious superb display are:

1) the ability to display entire image at 100% zoom (pixel-to-pixel
sensor-to-monitor) without zoom or pan;

2) have such image and multiple toolbars and control boxes displayed on the
desktop without interfering with each other, plus an extra application or
two open at the same time, again, not hiding behind other open windows-
makes it much easier on the operator.

Works very well for 4 or 6 megapixels camera. Now, for larger sensor such as
11 or 16 megapixels, one would have to zoom out to 50% in order to see
entire image at once. Still much better than zooming down to 25% on a
regular monitor.

Vitaly Feingold
SIA
2773 Heath Lane
Duluth, GA 30096
Ph. 770-232-7785
Fax 770-232-1791
www.sia-cam.com

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Question: I am in the process of buying a digital camera for my light microscope ( Leica DM LB2), and would like to get your opinion as to which maker or model is a good choice in terms of resolution, stability, and ease of use, and of course the price.

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From: j.wittig-at-vanderbilt.edu
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Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Exhibitor Tutorials at MM2005

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Colleagues

Once again the MSA Education Committee has organized Exhibitor Demonstrations and Tutorials during the Microscopy and Microanalysis 2005 meeting. This will occur on Tuesday, August 2 starting at 5:00 pm in the Exhibit Hall. These mini-seminars and/or tutorial demonstrations are held in the booths of the participating companies after the Hall is closed to non-participants.

Reservations sheets with titles and descriptions will be at the MSA Education table in the MSA Mega Booth. When you sign up you will be issued a ticket, which you will need to renter the Hall after it is closed. You need to sign up no later than noon on Tuesday. The number of attendees is limited, so visit the MSA Education table soon, since the demonstrations get filled up quickly!

Here's a list of participating Exhibitors and titles:

http://mm2005.microscopy.org/MMExhibitorsTutorialsDemos.html


Jim Wittig
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From: nholson-at-ucsd.edu
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Illuminator for old Wild light microscope

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Hi

Your problem is simply one of backscatter bouncing off the final lens
irradiating areas off axis, generating the x-rays as appropriate. This is
not just a problem with the SEM you mention, it is a general problem of
which many people are unaware. The worst case I have ever seen was
obtaining x-ray information from 0.75cm (~1/4inch) from the point of initial
beam impact!

Modern detectors and collimators do help but scatter is always a problem. I
believe that is why SEM manufacturer's main holder is often one which places
the specimen surface at a higher level well away from the holder/stage
interface. A specimen "in space" will always offer a cleaner x-ray signal.

It is a personal suggestion to clients that when trying hard with an
analysis they DO NOT use a multi specimen holder!

Those who wish to know more should read texts relating to the production of
SE in relation to those produced by "bounce off" backscatter. We have a
short piece in the "Hints and Tips" section of our web site.

Steve Chapman
Senior Consultant Protrain
For electron microscopy consultancy and training world wide
Tel +44 1280 816512 Fax +44 1280 814007
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We have an old Wild MTr19 illuminator for an equally old Wild model 20
compound light microscope. The bulb in the illuminator burnt out and from
the sources I checked that type of bulb is supposedly no longer made. Also,
there are no markings on the bulb to indicate what it is. Is anyone
familiar with this old illuminator and either knows of bulb replacements or
a compatible illuminator for which I can still get bulbs?

Thanks

Norm Olson
______________________________________________________________
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Cryoelectron Microscopy Facilities Manager
4107 Natural Science Building
Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry, MC-0378
University of California San Diego
La Jolla, CA 92093-0378
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From: cpetty1-at-umbc.edu
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:47:51 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Illuminator for old Wild light microscope

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Joe Mears knows everything you what to know about the Swiss made Wild.
Microscope Services 1403 Bradley Avenue, Rockville, Maryland 20851
Office 301.294.7960 Fax 301.294.1934 Cell 240.994.7191

Joe also works on Leica, Zeiss, and Nikon light scopes. He is a very
good repair person.


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From: gary.m.brown-at-exxonmobil.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:37:50 -0500
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neither those of ExxonMobil Corporation nor its affiliates."


Norm,

Leica should have a part number for the bulb and the vital stats needed to
purchase it elsewhere.

Regards,

Gary M. Brown
ExxonMobil Chemical Company
Baytown Technology & Engineering - West
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We have an old Wild MTr19 illuminator for an equally old Wild model 20
compound light microscope. The bulb in the illuminator burnt out and from
the sources I checked that type of bulb is supposedly no longer made.
Also,
there are no markings on the bulb to indicate what it is. Is anyone
familiar with this old illuminator and either knows of bulb replacements or
a compatible illuminator for which I can still get bulbs?

Thanks

Norm Olson
______________________________________________________________
Norm Olson
Cryoelectron Microscopy Facilities Manager
4107 Natural Science Building
Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry, MC-0378
University of California San Diego
La Jolla, CA 92093-0378
nholson-at-ucsd.edu
http://cryoem.ucsd.edu
(858)534-5852 ­ Office; (858)534-5846 - Fax
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From: john.bonevich-at-nist.gov
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:11:10 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Gatan Duomill service

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Hello,

Does anyone know of a company that can service an old Gatan Duomill? Ours
has developed an electrical problem that keeps the guns from energizing.

Thanks in advance.

-----------------------------------------
John Bonevich, Ph.D.
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Metallurgy Division, Mail-Stop 8555
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From: curulli-at-usc.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Gatan Duomill service

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Try

MAS
Art McCanna
Suwanee, Georgia
800-421-8451

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Hello,

Does anyone know of a company that can service an old Gatan Duomill? Ours
has developed an electrical problem that keeps the guns from energizing.

Thanks in advance.

-----------------------------------------
John Bonevich, Ph.D.
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Metallurgy Division, Mail-Stop 8555
100 Bureau Drive
Gaithersburg, MD 20899 USA


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From: rcbaker-at-eden.infohwy.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Alternatives to diamond knives?

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I am an amateur and have been experimenting for quite some time with
a technique for sharpening silicon carbide (SiC) crystals as an
alternative to the very expensive diamond knives commonly used with
ultramicrotomes.

The major difficulty is that SiC crystals are very brittle; thus SiC
crystals need to be lapped and polished by unconventional methods to
prevent micro-mechanical stresses from breaking the edge.
Conventional gem faceting technology does not work.

Vitreous carbon knives have also been reported in the literature but
did not live up to expectations apparently.

As many on this list will know, glass knives are preferred for their
initial sharpness. Meanwhile diamond knives are preferred for their
unexcelled durability, flat faces and straight edges, which makes it
possible to make almost unlimited numbers of serial sections up to a
few millimeters wide.

My efforts indicate that it is possible to make SiC knives and that
they can generate silvery sections down to 100 nanometers or so,
which puts them in the ball park for practical EM work. My sections
do transmit electrons, and at best do not appear to be much worse
than diamond knives in regards to their initial sharpness.

Initially I had imagined that SiC knives might potentially replace
diamond knives, since the hardness of SiC crystals is 9+ on the Mho's
scale, while diamond is 10.

As it turns out, my SiC knives gradually become dull over the course
of making hundreds of sections. However they are distinctly more
durable than glass knives, and the lapped faces are much flatter and
the edges wider compared to glass.

The SiC knife durability seems to be a function of the hardness of
the embedding plastic being sectioned, as one may imagine. (They
section glycol methacrylate nicely, for making floating ribbons,
which is helpful since I intend to use the SiC knives myself for LM
work).

My question is how useful such knives are likely to be in practice? I
imagine SiC knives might fill a niche market for disposable
substitutes for diamond knives, when an inexpensive alternative to
glass knives is needed only occasionally and the purchase of a
diamond knife doesn't make sense, or maybe for student teaching.

It seems likely that the same technology can probably be used to make
sapphire knives of equivalent initial sharpness (sapphire is much
tougher and more fracture resistant than SiC but not so hard as SiC).
But I don't know, my efforts so far have only concerned SiC knives.

I expect to publish my SiC knife making technology and put it in the
public domain, but for now I am soliciting comments on their
potential usefulness. -- Roger, Austin, Tx







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From: luce-at-earthtech.org
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] AskAMicroscopist: schematics for an International Scientific

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Contact Art McCanna at MAS amccanna-at-mastest.com ; (770)866-3200;
direct-(770)866-3212. MAS is exclusive factory representative for GATAN ion
mills.

Vitaly Feingold
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Email: luce-at-earthtech.org
Name: George Luce

Organization: Earthtech Internaional, Inc.

Education: Graduate College

Location: Austin, Texas, USA

Question: We are looking for the electrical schematics for an International Scientific Instruments (ISI) Model 100B Scanning Electron Microscope. (~1979 vintage, probably made by Akashi)

Is this company still in business, or is there another resource for information about this SEM?

Thanks,

George Luce
luce-at-earthtech.org

Earthtech International Inc.
Austin, TX
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From: pwje-at-sympatico.ca
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:46:37 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: AskAMicroscopist: schematics for an International Scientific

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Hi George,
So you have a ISI 100B, I rep and service ISI SEMs in Canada but if I can be
of any help please ask.

To start with what is the problem you have?
I think I have the manual and schematics but they will cost you to get them
copied I'm afraid.

If you don't get any other offers let me know.
Cheers
Peter Earl
Toronto,Canada



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From: lcgould-at-med.cornell.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Alternatives to diamond knives?

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Roger

the only comment that I can make is that sapphire knives were marketed
a few (maybe 20) years ago but they were much more expensive than glass
and not as hard as diamond so were never really that popular. I suppose
in the real world a lot will depend on price and quality and whether
there is a sufficiently large market, now.

I wish you luck.

Malcolm

Malcolm Haswell
e.m. unit
School of Health, Natural and Social Sciences
Fleming Building
University of Sunderland
Tyne & Wear
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Hi Roger,
It sounds interesting, keep us informed.
Years ago, Diatome did market a Sapphire knife as a less-expensive
alternative to diamonds. In my lab, they proved difficult to clean,
and did not wear well enough to continue using them. They seem to
have disappeared from the market, so my guess is that others had the
same observations.
Lee
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Sr. Staff Associate
Director, Electron Microscopy & Histology Core Facility
Manager, Optical Microscopy Core Facility
Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College
of Cornell University
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From: cammer-at-aecom.yu.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: vibrations in air cooled CCD cameras; follow-up

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The problem has been solved by using external fans running through tubes to
the camera.

Roper and Cooke each have their own different designs for the fan. Each
were extremely helpful with the retrofits.

Cooke runs the camera power through the fan; this assures that the fan must
be on for the camera to run. Roper doesn't have this safety feature.

I would recommend not purchasing a camera with an on board fan. Always go
for external cooling.

Thanks for the help from everybody who responded to my query
____________________________________________________________________________
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From: murraytm-at-u.washington.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] SEM Sample Prep Question

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I have a student who wants to look at clusters of methanosarcina and
methanosaeta in an aqueous solution. I have a materials background
and have never worked with this type of sample. The student found a
reference for preparing samples for electron microscopy which looks
to me like it is for TEM. She is interested in what the clusters
look like so is interested in retaining their relative position. I
think SEM would be a good technique to see the 3D cluster if there is
a method to prepare samples.

I have a FESEM which is high vacuum. I don't have easy access to an
environmental SEM, so I'm looking for a technique to image these
clusters in a high vacuum SEM.

Any suggestions for prep techniques and/or references?

Thanks,

Tom

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From: jchandler-at-ial-fa.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:51:41 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Training: looking for TEM short course

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Hi

Try our new Quantomix Wet SEM Technology. Sounds like you have a perfect
application for the QX-102.

http://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/sem/wetsem.aspx?mm=11

Al Coritz, Technical Engineer
Electron Microscopy Sciences
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A colleague of mine is looking for an intensive TEM short course, 3-4 days,
that covers theory and operation of TEM's, as well as interpretation of
images, particularly as they are used in materials science. The course at
Lehigh University for this year was just held, and waiting until next year
is not a good option.

If you teach or know about such a course, please contact me offline and I
will it forward the information.

Thanks very much,

--John Chandler
Fort Collins, CO
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Tom,

What's the procedure? Very likely, she can use it up through the 100%
ethanol steps, whether or not it is for TEM. The critters can be
filtered onto 0.22 micron membrane filters (the kind with nice, round
pores, not a Millipore), and the filter critical point dried.
An alternative to CPD is to air dry from HMDS (hexamethyldisilizane).
Process the samples in 1.5 mL minifuge tubes, not on filters. After
the last EtOH, go through a 2:1 1:1 1:2 EtOH:HMDS series, 3 changes
in 100% HMDS, put sputter coated filters on the SEM stubs, drop the
bugs in HMDS on the filters, and allow to air dry at room temp **do
all this in a fume hood!**.
See the U. Florida "tips and tricks" web site:
http://www.biotech.ufl.edu/EM/tips/index.html

Or have a chat with the U. Washington biological EM people.

Phil

} I have a student who wants to look at clusters of methanosarcina and
} methanosaeta in an aqueous solution. I have a materials background
} and have never worked with this type of sample. The student found a
} reference for preparing samples for electron microscopy which looks
} to me like it is for TEM. She is interested in what the clusters
} look like so is interested in retaining their relative position. I
} think SEM would be a good technique to see the 3D cluster if there is
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From: bozzola-at-siu.edu
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Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Alternatives to diamond knives?

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HI ROGER,

One potential use would be to section materials that might damage a
diamond knife, but that could not be cut using a glass knife. For
example, specimens containing potentially damaging inclusions as
sand, metals, etc. or to cut hard botanical specimens.
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From: JOHN.WHEATLEY-at-asu.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] RE: Training: looking for TEM short course

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John,

We have a Winter School from January 9 through 12. One half day on the 13th. Please go to our web site where you will find a description of last year's school. We will have the info for 2006 up in a few days. Let me know if you need more info. John Wheatley


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From: TindallR-at-missouri.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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John,

Thanks so much for getting back to me on your training course. I had looked
at your website before polling the microscopy listserv, and it seemed to
have lots of what is needed. ASU is one of the few centers for EM that I
looked at before asking the question. I will pass along your information.

With best regards,

--John | jchandler-at-ial-fa.com | 970.217.1321

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Dear Listers,

Below is a compilation of the replies I received to my recent question
about Cu vs. Ni grids for immunolabeling. I usually don't do this
without express permission, but most everybody posted to the list
anyway, and I made sure to edit those that didn't. If it bothers
anyone, let me know and I will never do it again.

In summary, it appears that copper can and will react with salts in
buffers and other solutions, although some people still have decent
luck. This problem can be ameliorated by using coated Cu grids and only
wetting the coated side and by shortening incubation times

Also, Marc Pypaert had the interesting suggestion of just using Ni grids
for everything, since they're not much more expensive, thereby avoiding
the problem entirely. Any thoughts on this?

Many thanks to everyone who replied! I now have a much better response
to our clients' questions on this matter (not to mention my own).

Cheers,
Randy


Over the years I have frequently seen cases where the samples themselves
have reacted with the copper grid. Two examples:

1) Looking at Fe-S precipitates in magnetotactic bacteria, when the
precipitates were ugly and analyzed as copper sulphide. Our surmise was
that the iron and copper had undergone ion exchange while the grid (and
carbon film) was wet with the culture medium. When we used nickel
grids, the precipitates were well formed and composed of iron and
sulphur.

2) Looking at Si precipitates in Al-Si electronic bond wire. The
specimens were prepared by embedding and microtoming, floating in DI
water. The Si precipitates were surrounded by an ugly mess containing
masses of copper. Again, presumed to me electrochemical reaction
between the Al and the Cu grid, through the DI water medium, somehow
preferentially at the Si precipitates. Again, use of Ni grids produced
good pictures allowing us to characterize the precipitation.

Having said all that, we continue to default to use copper grids!

Anthony J. Garratt-Reed, M.A., D.Phil.
MIT Room 13-1027
77 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139-4307
USA


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The main problem encountered with copper grids used for
immunocytochemistry or immunogold labeling is the reaction of the copper
with salts in the buffers used during labeling. This is a time-related
reaction, and can usually be avoided by having short labeling runs and
using grids with films on them. Gilder grids, available from major
microscope supply vendors, are gold-coated copper grids, and are not
that much more expensive than regular copper grids. These grids may be
the variety used by researchers who have reported having no problems
with their grids during their immuno runs.
I usually use nickel grids for my work, but have used
formvar-coated copper grids without problems for 1 day immuno runs so
long as the film is intact and as long as I don't get clumsy and end up
sinking my grids in my solutions (if I do sink them, I do a quick
distilled water rinse, blot the back of the grids with filter paper
until almost dry, then re-float them where I left off). As others have
shared, the nickel grids are much sturdier, not too expensive, and are
not a problem to handle as long as you use antimagnetic forceps. With
the nickel grids, remember to correct for astigmatism in the TEM by
using a hole in your sample on the nickel grid. This will accommodate
for any inherent residual magnetic field in the grid itself.

Edward Haller
Lab Manager, Diagnostic Electron Microscopy Lab University of South
Florida Pathology Department Tampa, FL 33612

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We have had problems with Cu grids, even Formvar coated ones. I have
precoated copper grids with Parlodion by dipping, blotting and drying
before use, with or with out a formvar coating. THat method seems to
protect the copper from reacting with PBS or whatever. This is not
original to me, but I cannot recall where I read this (among many other
things I can no longer recall). I think it might have been one of those
smart Swiss guys.

Gregory W. Erdos, Ph.D.
Assistant Director, Biotechnology Program Scientific Director, Electron
Microscopy P.O. Box 118525
217 Carr Hall
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL 32611
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I had a bad experience with formvar-copper grids in immunogold
experiment many years ago when incubating primary antibody overnight and
the rest done on the following morning. I am using Nickel grids now --
no more problems.

Ann Fook Yang
EM Unit/ Unite EM
Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada/Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada
960 Carling Ave/960 Boul Carling
Ottawa,Ontario/Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
K1A 0C6
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recently i did a long ultracentrifuge run to load some 10S particles
onto a formvar-copper grid. the grids reacted with the phosphate buffer
over the 4 hour spin time. not a pretty picture - i had to go back to
my collaborator and get fresh material so we could put it onto
formvar-nickel grids. wonderful gentleman.


Paul R. Hazelton, PhD
Electron Microscope Unit
University of Manitoba
Department of Medical Microbiology
531 Basic Medical Sciences Building
730 William Avenue
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, R3E 0W3
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We used Cu grids for many years. Normally we use formvar + carbon
coated grids for ICC since we have a lot less loss of sections. We also
tend to do long incubations ...usually overnight. This is time
efficient and also lets us use highly diluted antibody so also minimize
background due to cross-reactions from contaminants in polyclonal
antibodies.

Occasionally we would have a reaction due to copper oxidizing with
resultant green solution. I attributed this to salts or traces of Tween
20 in the buffer and breaks in the coating exposing the Cu. As far as I
can see, this is the only reason for not using Cu grids if you use
coated grids. We have switched for the most part to using coated Ni
grids to avoid this problem.

On the other hand, occasionally we need to do a double labeling using
uncoated grids and both sides of the sections. I would hesitate to use
Cu for this and prefer Ni. Gold would work but is both more expensive
and more delicate than Ni grids.

Debby Sherman, Manager
Life Science Microscopy Facility
Purdue University
S-052 Whistler Building
170 S. University Street
West Lafayette, IN 47907
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X-from my experience, coated copper grids will be fine for most (if not
all) immunolabelling, providing the solutions do not wet the uncoated
side of the grid. Uncoated copper grids always have been fine when I've
used PBS.

However, copper grids (uncoated - or the uncoated side) usually will
react with Tris-HCl buffers and some of the high salt buffer
formulations that I've used. Longer incubation times (eg. overnight)
cause more reaction with the grid than shorter times (eg. 60mins) - so
you may be able to use copper grids without problems if incubations are
short, even with buffer formulations that might react with the grid if
left for longer periods. It also is more difficult to prevent wetting
of the reverse (uncoated) side of coated copper grids if incubation
times are long, and particularly if wetting agents are used in the
buffer formulation.

When I started immunolabelling in the early 1980s - and hadn't yet heard
about the use of nickel grids - I used uncoated copper grids (and PBS)
for years without problems. My current lab generally uses a high salt
Tris-HCl buffer which includes a small amount of Tween 20, so we
routinely use nickel grids for immunolabelling. Nickel grids do have
some disadvantages (eg. charge), but we run a multi-user facility, often
training students or other inexperienced users, we've found nickel the
best option to overcome potential "grid-reaction" problems. However,
nickel grids certainly aren't essential for successful immunolabelling -
you just need to be aware of the possible problems.

Dr Deborah Stenzel
Analytical Electron Microscopy Facility
Queensland University of Technology
GPO Box 2434
Brisbane 4001
Australia

------------------------------------------------

I know (from sad experience) that Tris buffers will etch Cu grids - the
antibody droplets turn a lovely blue and there is gunk all over the
sections. I use Ni grids, only because I prefer Tris buffers (no real
reason why, I guess) for IEM and my current PI cringes at buying Au
grids.
I know one person who does all of her labelling in phosphate buffer and
uses Cu grids with no precipitate problems.

As for the other reasons you Googled....I've heard them, but never seen
any documentation nor had personal experience.

Can't wait to hear if anyone has actual evidence for some of the other
no-Cu reasons!

Tamara Howard
Department of Cell Biology and Physiology
University of New Mexico - Health Sciences Center
Albuquerque, NM 87131
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Hi Randy,
I had problems with Cu grids when incubating sections for long periods -
overnight for instance. The copper would react with whatever was
available and form green-blue salts. Not unexpected. We switched to
nickel grids for a while but they charge, gold but they are
delicate...by this time we had shortened the incubation times used, and
tried copper again... And had no problem using coated grids and
incubation times of an hour or so. Grids are floated on drops of media
so that only the coated side is wetted - I don't know if that is
important.

Dr SJ Stowe
Facility Coordinator
ANU Electron Microscopy Unit
ANU CRICOS#00120C


I only ran into the "use only Ni or Au grids" rule here, in my current
job, and my predecessor certainly produced some superb images showing
gold labelling of TEM sections. Blissfully unaware of this rule, I had
been using copper grids for all EM immunolabelling. To get good
labelling of one particular structure, which is about 40 nm diameter, I
used uncoated thin-bar Cu grids so I could get labelling on both sides
of the section - seemed to work just fine. I'll be interested to see
the responses to your question.

Dr. Rosemary White
Microscopy Centre
CSIRO Plant Industry
GPO Box 1600
Canberra, ACT 2601
Australia








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From: sryazant-at-ucla.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Alternatives to diamond knives?

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Dear Roger
I am not sure is tungsten carbide is similar to SiC or not. My experience
with tungsten carbide basically was negative - this knife starts scratching
the surface after just 50+ 0.5 um sections of standard plastic embedded
tissue (no hard inclusions etc). As manufacturer explained to me it's
because of polycrystalline nature of the material - small crystals just
became loose and left the edge creating ruff surface. From this point of
view, amorphous (like glass) or monocrystal (like diamond) material is
preferable for good sections. Sapphire (hardness is 9) knifes were on the
market for while without great success. From economical point of view,
tungsten carbide knifes were also not so good - $100 each with ability to
produce only 50+ good sections. If SiC acts in the similar way, then it
would be difficult to use it in EM applications. Another aspect of using
exotic materials - is it hydrophilic or hydrophobic? Could you use water
with them? How easy to clean it up and handle? Sergey

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On Jul 18, 2005, at 5:48 PM, sryazant-at-ucla.edu wrote:
}
} Dear Roger
} I am not sure is tungsten carbide is similar to SiC or not. My
} experience
} with tungsten carbide basically was negative - this knife starts
} scratching
} the surface after just 50+ 0.5 um sections of standard plastic
} embedded
} tissue (no hard inclusions etc). As manufacturer explained to me it's
} because of polycrystalline nature of the material - small crystals
} just
} became loose and left the edge creating ruff surface. From this
} point of
} view, amorphous (like glass) or monocrystal (like diamond) material is
} preferable for good sections. Sapphire (hardness is 9) knifes were
} on the
} market for while without great success. From economical point of
} view,
} tungsten carbide knifes were also not so good - $100 each with
} ability to
} produce only 50+ good sections. If SiC acts in the similar way,
} then it
} would be difficult to use it in EM applications. Another aspect of
} using
} exotic materials - is it hydrophilic or hydrophobic? Could you use
} water
} with them? How easy to clean it up and handle? Sergey



Thanks everyone, I've gotten lots of helpful advice and comments, so
I'll try to sum up my conclusions.

Some background: Silicon carbide (SiC) is produced by a very old
company Washington Mills located near Niagara Falls but production is
in Illinois. Blessed folks; they sent me a sample of crystals for free.

{http://www.medibix.com/company.jsp?company_id=10001791}

It is made in tonnage quantities as clusters of glossy flat hexagonal
black crystals up to a few centimeters across, and which are actually
deep transparent blue and are crushed for abrasives and metallurgy.
The cost of this industrial crystalline material is negligible. The
Cree Corporation in NC makes also clear white SiC crystals and wafers
for a fairly high price, but only sells them already faceted into
clear diamond substitutes for jewelry. Such clear SiC crystals are
termed "moissenite".

SiC crystals are very hard and brittle and the edge breaks when you
try to sharpen them into knives using anything resembling normal gem
faceting methods. But knives can be made using the proper lapping
technique and the appropriate grades of diamond powder. Here is an
interesting link on modern diamond powder technology:

{http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/
BNP__Features__Item/0,2710,152388,00.html}

At any rate, besides glass, only hard single crystals of diamond,
sapphire, and silicon carbide seem to be appropriate for making
ultramicrotome knives, which by their nature demand a perfectly
homogeneous material. Sapphire knives were sold at one time by
Diatome but the price was reputedly about $500 apiece and they became
dull, unlike diamond knives, so the economics was questionable.

My SiC knives become dull after a few hundred slices, probably
depending on the the hardness of the embedding plastic (glycol
methacrylate works well), but the raw materials are inexpensive and
my lapping machine only cost about $50 to build, so the labor of
making them is inherently the major cost.

Since SiC crystals are difficult to sharpen without breaking the
edge, I assume the exact same lapping techniques would also be
appropriate for sapphire, which is softer tougher and less brittle
than SiC; the latter are the very devil to sharpen without breaking.
I learned how to make them through sheer stubbornness in order to
make many serial sections with my Porter Blum MT-2 without paying
$1000+ for a diamond knife.

I can only guess at the durability of sapphire knives, but the fact
that they were once offered indicates that they might still be a
viable alternative for some applications if they were only available
at a lower cost.

My SiC crystals are epoxyed in a slot cut in the apex of a steel
holder the same size and shape as a right angle glass knife. The
clean crystals are hydrophilic (I assume the exposed surface layer at
the atomic level is silicon oxide). I clean them by wiping the edge
sideways with Teflon and don't have many wetting problems.

My conclusion is that I don't much want to go the trouble of trying
to make money patenting, licensing and selling knives, but that I
should publish my technique of making them, most likely in the Review
of Scientific Instruments, and see if the world pays attention. I
don't think the method of sharpening hard crystals to give very sharp
edges has ever been published; I can't find it in the scientific
literature. I seriously doubt it would work for diamonds without
modification.

The only possible drawback to open publication is that no one maker
could make a lot of money making them, and thus might not offer them,
assuming they prove to be a modestly useful alternative to diamonds.

I assume that maybe the Chinese could sell disposable knives for $20
or so and they might catch on for student use and low budget and
occasional use. Glass knives are clearly sharper for a few dozen
sections and diamond knives clearly last longer.

-- Roger Baker Jr.
1303 Bentwood,
Austin Tx, 78722












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From: jtwilley-at-sprynet.com
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Dear Roger,

You should be aware that recently, gem-quality silicon carbide has been under production and is
being marketed under its mineralogical name as "synthetic moissanite". This grade is significantly
more free of defects and might yield a much more durable edge. I don't know the economics of
producing a knife edge from this stock but I suspect that the material price is not prohibitively
high, given the prices of stones that are being sold as jewelry and the usual mark-up in that
field.

Sincerely,

John Twilley

rcbaker-at-eden.infohwy.com wrote:

} Thanks everyone, I've gotten lots of helpful advice and comments, so
} I'll try to sum up my conclusions.
}
} Some background: Silicon carbide (SiC) is produced by a very old
} company Washington Mills located near Niagara Falls but production is
} in Illinois. Blessed folks; they sent me a sample of crystals for free.
}
} {http://www.medibix.com/company.jsp?company_id=10001791}
}
} It is made in tonnage quantities as clusters of glossy flat hexagonal
} black crystals up to a few centimeters across, and which are actually
} deep transparent blue and are crushed for abrasives and metallurgy.
} The cost of this industrial crystalline material is negligible. The
} Cree Corporation in NC makes also clear white SiC crystals and wafers
} for a fairly high price, but only sells them already faceted into
} clear diamond substitutes for jewelry. Such clear SiC crystals are
} termed "moissenite".
}
} SiC crystals are very hard and brittle and the edge breaks when you
} try to sharpen them into knives using anything resembling normal gem
} faceting methods. But knives can be made using the proper lapping
} technique and the appropriate grades of diamond powder. Here is an
} interesting link on modern diamond powder technology:
}
} {http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/
} BNP__Features__Item/0,2710,152388,00.html}
}
} At any rate, besides glass, only hard single crystals of diamond,
} sapphire, and silicon carbide seem to be appropriate for making
} ultramicrotome knives, which by their nature demand a perfectly
} homogeneous material. Sapphire knives were sold at one time by
} Diatome but the price was reputedly about $500 apiece and they became
} dull, unlike diamond knives, so the economics was questionable.
}
} My SiC knives become dull after a few hundred slices, probably
} depending on the the hardness of the embedding plastic (glycol
} methacrylate works well), but the raw materials are inexpensive and
} my lapping machine only cost about $50 to build, so the labor of
} making them is inherently the major cost.
}
} Since SiC crystals are difficult to sharpen without breaking the
} edge, I assume the exact same lapping techniques would also be
} appropriate for sapphire, which is softer tougher and less brittle
} than SiC; the latter are the very devil to sharpen without breaking.
} I learned how to make them through sheer stubbornness in order to
} make many serial sections with my Porter Blum MT-2 without paying
} $1000+ for a diamond knife.
}
} I can only guess at the durability of sapphire knives, but the fact
} that they were once offered indicates that they might still be a
} viable alternative for some applications if they were only available
} at a lower cost.
}
} My SiC crystals are epoxyed in a slot cut in the apex of a steel
} holder the same size and shape as a right angle glass knife. The
} clean crystals are hydrophilic (I assume the exposed surface layer at
} the atomic level is silicon oxide). I clean them by wiping the edge
} sideways with Teflon and don't have many wetting problems.
}
} My conclusion is that I don't much want to go the trouble of trying
} to make money patenting, licensing and selling knives, but that I
} should publish my technique of making them, most likely in the Review
} of Scientific Instruments, and see if the world pays attention. I
} don't think the method of sharpening hard crystals to give very sharp
} edges has ever been published; I can't find it in the scientific
} literature. I seriously doubt it would work for diamonds without
} modification.
}
} The only possible drawback to open publication is that no one maker
} could make a lot of money making them, and thus might not offer them,
} assuming they prove to be a modestly useful alternative to diamonds.
}
} I assume that maybe the Chinese could sell disposable knives for $20
} or so and they might catch on for student use and low budget and
} occasional use. Glass knives are clearly sharper for a few dozen
} sections and diamond knives clearly last longer.
}
} -- Roger Baker Jr.
} 1303 Bentwood,
} Austin Tx, 78722
}
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From: sousan.abolhassani-at-psi.ch
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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X-from: "Amit Kohn" {amit.kohn-at-materials.oxford.ac.uk

Dear Randy,

I followed this thread by curiosity as I knew
that copper is not always a good solution.
And it was good to receive your message so
that I know that there was no response that
we missed.
I think that the idea of giving a summary
of the answers to the list, is a very
respectful manner to contribute to its
usefulness.
Thanks a lot,

Sousan

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} Below is a compilation of the replies I received to my recent question
} about Cu vs. Ni grids for immunolabeling. I usually don't do this
} without express permission, but most everybody posted to the list
} anyway, and I made sure to edit those that didn't. If it bothers
} anyone, let me know and I will never do it again.
}
} In summary, it appears that copper can and will react with salts in
} buffers and other solutions, although some people still have decent
} luck. This problem can be ameliorated by using coated Cu grids and only
} wetting the coated side and by shortening incubation times
}
} Also, Marc Pypaert had the interesting suggestion of just using Ni grids
} for everything, since they're not much more expensive, thereby avoiding
} the problem entirely. Any thoughts on this?
}
} Many thanks to everyone who replied! I now have a much better response
} to our clients' questions on this matter (not to mention my own).
}
} Cheers,
} Randy
}
}
} Over the years I have frequently seen cases where the samples themselves
} have reacted with the copper grid. Two examples:
}
} 1) Looking at Fe-S precipitates in magnetotactic bacteria, when the
} precipitates were ugly and analyzed as copper sulphide. Our surmise was
} that the iron and copper had undergone ion exchange while the grid (and
} carbon film) was wet with the culture medium. When we used nickel
} grids, the precipitates were well formed and composed of iron and
} sulphur.
}
} 2) Looking at Si precipitates in Al-Si electronic bond wire. The
} specimens were prepared by embedding and microtoming, floating in DI
} water. The Si precipitates were surrounded by an ugly mess containing
} masses of copper. Again, presumed to me electrochemical reaction
} between the Al and the Cu grid, through the DI water medium, somehow
} preferentially at the Si precipitates. Again, use of Ni grids produced
} good pictures allowing us to characterize the precipitation.
}
} Having said all that, we continue to default to use copper grids!
}
} Anthony J. Garratt-Reed, M.A., D.Phil.
} MIT Room 13-1027
} 77 Massachusetts Avenue
} Cambridge, MA 02139-4307
} USA
}
}
} -------------------------------------------
}
} The main problem encountered with copper grids used for
} immunocytochemistry or immunogold labeling is the reaction of the copper
} with salts in the buffers used during labeling. This is a time-related
} reaction, and can usually be avoided by having short labeling runs and
} using grids with films on them. Gilder grids, available from major
} microscope supply vendors, are gold-coated copper grids, and are not
} that much more expensive than regular copper grids. These grids may be
} the variety used by researchers who have reported having no problems
} with their grids during their immuno runs.
} I usually use nickel grids for my work, but have used
} formvar-coated copper grids without problems for 1 day immuno runs so
} long as the film is intact and as long as I don't get clumsy and end up
} sinking my grids in my solutions (if I do sink them, I do a quick
} distilled water rinse, blot the back of the grids with filter paper
} until almost dry, then re-float them where I left off). As others have
} shared, the nickel grids are much sturdier, not too expensive, and are
} not a problem to handle as long as you use antimagnetic forceps. With
} the nickel grids, remember to correct for astigmatism in the TEM by
} using a hole in your sample on the nickel grid. This will accommodate
} for any inherent residual magnetic field in the grid itself.
}
} Edward Haller
} Lab Manager, Diagnostic Electron Microscopy Lab University of South
} Florida Pathology Department Tampa, FL 33612
}
} ------------------------------------------------------------
}
} We have had problems with Cu grids, even Formvar coated ones. I have
} precoated copper grids with Parlodion by dipping, blotting and drying
} before use, with or with out a formvar coating. THat method seems to
} protect the copper from reacting with PBS or whatever. This is not
} original to me, but I cannot recall where I read this (among many other
} things I can no longer recall). I think it might have been one of those
} smart Swiss guys.
}
} Gregory W. Erdos, Ph.D.
} Assistant Director, Biotechnology Program Scientific Director, Electron
} Microscopy P.O. Box 118525
} 217 Carr Hall
} University of Florida
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}
} I had a bad experience with formvar-copper grids in immunogold
} experiment many years ago when incubating primary antibody overnight and
} the rest done on the following morning. I am using Nickel grids now --
} no more problems.
}
} Ann Fook Yang
} EM Unit/ Unite EM
} Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada/Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada
} 960 Carling Ave/960 Boul Carling
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} recently i did a long ultracentrifuge run to load some 10S particles
} onto a formvar-copper grid. the grids reacted with the phosphate buffer
} over the 4 hour spin time. not a pretty picture - i had to go back to
} my collaborator and get fresh material so we could put it onto
} formvar-nickel grids. wonderful gentleman.
}
}
} Paul R. Hazelton, PhD
} Electron Microscope Unit
} University of Manitoba
} Department of Medical Microbiology
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} 730 William Avenue
} Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, R3E 0W3
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}
} We used Cu grids for many years. Normally we use formvar + carbon
} coated grids for ICC since we have a lot less loss of sections. We also
} tend to do long incubations ...usually overnight. This is time
} efficient and also lets us use highly diluted antibody so also minimize
} background due to cross-reactions from contaminants in polyclonal
} antibodies.
}
} Occasionally we would have a reaction due to copper oxidizing with
} resultant green solution. I attributed this to salts or traces of Tween
} 20 in the buffer and breaks in the coating exposing the Cu. As far as I
} can see, this is the only reason for not using Cu grids if you use
} coated grids. We have switched for the most part to using coated Ni
} grids to avoid this problem.
}
} On the other hand, occasionally we need to do a double labeling using
} uncoated grids and both sides of the sections. I would hesitate to use
} Cu for this and prefer Ni. Gold would work but is both more expensive
} and more delicate than Ni grids.
}
} Debby Sherman, Manager
} Life Science Microscopy Facility
} Purdue University
} S-052 Whistler Building
} 170 S. University Street
} West Lafayette, IN 47907
} ------------------------------------------------------------------------
} -
}
} X-from my experience, coated copper grids will be fine for most (if not
} all) immunolabelling, providing the solutions do not wet the uncoated
} side of the grid. Uncoated copper grids always have been fine when I've
} used PBS.
}
} However, copper grids (uncoated - or the uncoated side) usually will
} react with Tris-HCl buffers and some of the high salt buffer
} formulations that I've used. Longer incubation times (eg. overnight)
} cause more reaction with the grid than shorter times (eg. 60mins) - so
} you may be able to use copper grids without problems if incubations are
} short, even with buffer formulations that might react with the grid if
} left for longer periods. It also is more difficult to prevent wetting
} of the reverse (uncoated) side of coated copper grids if incubation
} times are long, and particularly if wetting agents are used in the
} buffer formulation.
}
} When I started immunolabelling in the early 1980s - and hadn't yet heard
} about the use of nickel grids - I used uncoated copper grids (and PBS)
} for years without problems. My current lab generally uses a high salt
} Tris-HCl buffer which includes a small amount of Tween 20, so we
} routinely use nickel grids for immunolabelling. Nickel grids do have
} some disadvantages (eg. charge), but we run a multi-user facility, often
} training students or other inexperienced users, we've found nickel the
} best option to overcome potential "grid-reaction" problems. However,
} nickel grids certainly aren't essential for successful immunolabelling -
} you just need to be aware of the possible problems.
}
} Dr Deborah Stenzel
} Analytical Electron Microscopy Facility
} Queensland University of Technology
} GPO Box 2434
} Brisbane 4001
} Australia
}
} ------------------------------------------------
}
} I know (from sad experience) that Tris buffers will etch Cu grids - the
} antibody droplets turn a lovely blue and there is gunk all over the
} sections. I use Ni grids, only because I prefer Tris buffers (no real
} reason why, I guess) for IEM and my current PI cringes at buying Au
} grids.
} I know one person who does all of her labelling in phosphate buffer and
} uses Cu grids with no precipitate problems.
}
} As for the other reasons you Googled....I've heard them, but never seen
} any documentation nor had personal experience.
}
} Can't wait to hear if anyone has actual evidence for some of the other
} no-Cu reasons!
}
} Tamara Howard
} Department of Cell Biology and Physiology
} University of New Mexico - Health Sciences Center
} Albuquerque, NM 87131
} ----------------------------------------------------------------
}
} Hi Randy,
} I had problems with Cu grids when incubating sections for long periods -
} overnight for instance. The copper would react with whatever was
} available and form green-blue salts. Not unexpected. We switched to
} nickel grids for a while but they charge, gold but they are
} delicate...by this time we had shortened the incubation times used, and
} tried copper again... And had no problem using coated grids and
} incubation times of an hour or so. Grids are floated on drops of media
} so that only the coated side is wetted - I don't know if that is
} important.
}
} Dr SJ Stowe
} Facility Coordinator
} ANU Electron Microscopy Unit
} ANU CRICOS#00120C
}
}
} I only ran into the "use only Ni or Au grids" rule here, in my current
} job, and my predecessor certainly produced some superb images showing
} gold labelling of TEM sections. Blissfully unaware of this rule, I had
} been using copper grids for all EM immunolabelling. To get good
} labelling of one particular structure, which is about 40 nm diameter, I
} used uncoated thin-bar Cu grids so I could get labelling on both sides
} of the section - seemed to work just fine. I'll be interested to see
} the responses to your question.
}
} Dr. Rosemary White
} Microscopy Centre
} CSIRO Plant Industry
} GPO Box 1600
} Canberra, ACT 2601
} Australia
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
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From: scott.coutts-at-med.monash.edu.au
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:46:02 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Another SEM sample prep question

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Hi All,

I need to prep some samples for SEM, but I'm not sure of the best way to
go about it.

We have some bacteria that normally grow in a type of liquid nutrient
medium as free, discrete and seperate motile cells. However, we have
come across a strain that forms into 'mats' on the bottom of the culture
vessel. It is these that we would like to examine by SEM.

The problem is that the 'mats' are not like a normal biofilm in that
they are not strongly adherant to a solid surface, and the mat is not
very robust. The mats will 'float' off the bottom of the culture vessel
if they are disturbed and they will fragment into small flakes if the
vessel is shaken or swirled. The fragments are usually a milimetre or so
square.

Of course, the 'flakes' need to be flat in order to view them properly.
I thought I might be able to pipette them, in a drop of the media
they're already in, onto nucleopore membranes and allow them to settle,
then try to remove the rest of the media and hope that they stick
through the dehydration process... but i'm not sure they will. I'm
planning on using HMDS.

I'm goig to try it just to see what happens... but has anyone prepared a
sample like this that could suggest something that is know to work well?

Cheers,

--
Scott J. Coutts
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bacterial Pathogenesis Research Group
Department of Microbiology,
Box 53, Monash University, 3800, Australia
Phone: 9905 4838 Fax: 9905 4811
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From: Rosemary.White-at-csiro.au
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Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Another SEM sample prep question

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Hi Scott,
Is there a specific reason for looking at these bacteria with SEM?
cheers,
Roseamry

Dr. Rosemary White rosemary.white-at-csiro.au
Microscopy Centre ph. 61-2-6246 5475
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}
} I need to prep some samples for SEM, but I'm not sure of the best way to
} go about it.
}
} We have some bacteria that normally grow in a type of liquid nutrient
} medium as free, discrete and seperate motile cells. However, we have
} come across a strain that forms into 'mats' on the bottom of the culture
} vessel. It is these that we would like to examine by SEM.
}
} The problem is that the 'mats' are not like a normal biofilm in that
} they are not strongly adherant to a solid surface, and the mat is not
} very robust. The mats will 'float' off the bottom of the culture vessel
} if they are disturbed and they will fragment into small flakes if the
} vessel is shaken or swirled. The fragments are usually a milimetre or so
} square.
}
} Of course, the 'flakes' need to be flat in order to view them properly.
} I thought I might be able to pipette them, in a drop of the media
} they're already in, onto nucleopore membranes and allow them to settle,
} then try to remove the rest of the media and hope that they stick
} through the dehydration process... but i'm not sure they will. I'm
} planning on using HMDS.
}
} I'm goig to try it just to see what happens... but has anyone prepared a
} sample like this that could suggest something that is know to work well?
}
} Cheers,
}
} --
} Scott J. Coutts
} ---------------------------------------------------------------
} Bacterial Pathogenesis Research Group
} Department of Microbiology,
} Box 53, Monash University, 3800, Australia
} Phone: 9905 4838 Fax: 9905 4811
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From: hoffpajo-at-yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Another SEM sample prep question

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there is a very simple way to look at bacteria in the
SEM. just puch teh bacteria/liquid through a .45
micron filter. then process the filter paper for the
SEM. this is a tried and true method.
john

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} I need to prep some samples for SEM, but I'm not
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} go about it.
}
} We have some bacteria that normally grow in a type
} of liquid nutrient
} medium as free, discrete and seperate motile cells.
} However, we have
} come across a strain that forms into 'mats' on the
} bottom of the culture
} vessel. It is these that we would like to examine by
} SEM.
}
} The problem is that the 'mats' are not like a normal
} biofilm in that
} they are not strongly adherant to a solid surface,
} and the mat is not
} very robust. The mats will 'float' off the bottom of
} the culture vessel
} if they are disturbed and they will fragment into
} small flakes if the
} vessel is shaken or swirled. The fragments are
} usually a milimetre or so
} square.
}
} Of course, the 'flakes' need to be flat in order to
} view them properly.
} I thought I might be able to pipette them, in a drop
} of the media
} they're already in, onto nucleopore membranes and
} allow them to settle,
} then try to remove the rest of the media and hope
} that they stick
} through the dehydration process... but i'm not sure
} they will. I'm
} planning on using HMDS.
}
} I'm goig to try it just to see what happens... but
} has anyone prepared a
} sample like this that could suggest something that
} is know to work well?
}
} Cheers,
}
} --
} Scott J. Coutts
}
---------------------------------------------------------------
} Bacterial Pathogenesis Research Group
} Department of Microbiology,
} Box 53, Monash University, 3800, Australia
} Phone: 9905 4838 Fax: 9905 4811
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Scott,

Interesting problem. The "matts" you refer to are likely to fragment
or worse if you use the usual filter-based preparation methods .
First question: do you have access to cryoSEM? If yes, this would be
the best way to do your samples. Freeze in a high-pressure freezer,
if available, or by plunging into slush nitrogen, then do the cryo
SEM. This is the method most likely to give you the unaltered
structure of the matts and the critters therein.
If you don't have access to cryoSEM, then the best way is to use
minifuge tubes or the like. Let the samples sit in the tube in fix,
then the EtOH dehydration steps, being very careful when you withdraw
the fluid to change it. Add the fluid for the next step as you
withdraw the old fluid to minimize disturbance of the matts, and
maybe add the fluid for each succeeding step down the side of the
tube.
I suggest a 2:1 1:1 1:2 EtOH:HMDS series before the 3 changes in 100% HMDS.
I've found it helpful to deposit the last HMDS + sample drops on a
sputter-coated membrane filter* stuck to a SEM stub for drying. This
further minimizes handling.
* 0.22 micron "nucleopore" type -- the ones with the nice, round
holes, not the torturous-path type of filter. Sputter coat both sides
of the filter before sticking to the stub, best, or stick to the stub
with conductive carbon tabs, then sputter coat. Then drop on the
samples in HMDS. (And yes, sputter coat for viewing in the SEM.)

Phil

} Hi All,
}
} I need to prep some samples for SEM, but I'm not sure of the best way to
} go about it.
}
} We have some bacteria that normally grow in a type of liquid nutrient
} medium as free, discrete and seperate motile cells. However, we have
} come across a strain that forms into 'mats' on the bottom of the culture
} vessel. It is these that we would like to examine by SEM.
}
} The problem is that the 'mats' are not like a normal biofilm in that
} they are not strongly adherant to a solid surface, and the mat is not
} very robust. The mats will 'float' off the bottom of the culture vessel
} if they are disturbed and they will fragment into small flakes if the
} vessel is shaken or swirled. The fragments are usually a milimetre or so
} square.
}
} Of course, the 'flakes' need to be flat in order to view them properly.
} I thought I might be able to pipette them, in a drop of the media
} they're already in, onto nucleopore membranes and allow them to settle,
} then try to remove the rest of the media and hope that they stick
} through the dehydration process... but i'm not sure they will. I'm
} planning on using HMDS.
}
} I'm goig to try it just to see what happens... but has anyone prepared a
} sample like this that could suggest something that is know to work well?
}
} Cheers,
}
} --
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John et al.:

A few more details on what I wrote on this subject before. Lyson has
been making inks and papers for photo quality ink jet printing for some
time. Their new system is the "Daylight Darkroom". It is a dedicated 4
to 7 ink system (depending on your printer) for black and white printing
only. I think the price includes software and inks but no printer, the
system only works with certain printers. It has gotten very favorable
reviews in fine art photo magazines (May/June 2005 issue of Photo
Techniques, the review might be on the magazine's website
(phototechmag.com) or on Lyson's). Lyson will send you some sample
prints if you register at their website. I suspect that if someone sent
Lyson a digital TEM or SEM image they might make a print of that as a
sales tool. I'll bet they have no idea that there is a market for their
products in the EM field. I only wish I did more than a few prints per
year of parts of ground up cells.
Lyson is not the only firm making inks, papers and printing systems
for fine art B&W photography. Check out InkjetMall.com or MediaStreet.com.
If you want to stick with an ink jet and the manufacturer's inks and
papers the Canon i9900 is the Editor's Choice in the June 28 2005 issue
of PC magazine. The same printer is also the first choice in Photo
Techniques May/June 2005 issue. Someone on the list also liked this
printer.
If you like HP printers the PhotoSmart 8450 will take an HP 'photo
gray' cartridge set for doing black and white prints.
Disclaimer: I don't have any financial interest in any of the firms
or products I mentioned.

Geoff

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From: scott.coutts-at-med.monash.edu.au
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hoffpajo-at-yahoo.com wrote:
}
} there is a very simple way to look at bacteria in the
} SEM. just puch teh bacteria/liquid through a .45
} micron filter. then process the filter paper for the
} SEM. this is a tried and true method.
} john
}

Yes, but that doesnt help me to lay mats of bacteria onto a support -
filtering them is what we normally do for the free-living cells, but if
I filter the mats, firstly there's a good chance that they;ll get stuck
in the syringe, and secondly, they won't come out flat on the filter.
THey'll be all bunched up or folded.

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From: peoshel-at-wisc.edu
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Alternatives to diamond knives?

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Roger,

This is interesting information. Would you be willing to write it up
for MIcroscopy Today? With illustrations and all. We are interested
in running such an article, and there would be room for the details
and so forth that you can't put in an email.

Phil
(also still not entirely retired from Tech Ed. at Microscopy Today)

} Thanks everyone, I've gotten lots of helpful advice and comments, so
} I'll try to sum up my conclusions.
}
} Some background: Silicon carbide (SiC) is produced by a very old
} company Washington Mills located near Niagara Falls but production is
} in Illinois. Blessed folks; they sent me a sample of crystals for free.
}
} {http://www.medibix.com/company.jsp?company_id=10001791}
}
} It is made in tonnage quantities as clusters of glossy flat hexagonal
} black crystals up to a few centimeters across, and which are actually
} deep transparent blue and are crushed for abrasives and metallurgy.
} The cost of this industrial crystalline material is negligible. The
} Cree Corporation in NC makes also clear white SiC crystals and wafers
} for a fairly high price, but only sells them already faceted into
} clear diamond substitutes for jewelry. Such clear SiC crystals are
} termed "moissenite".
}
} SiC crystals are very hard and brittle and the edge breaks when you
} try to sharpen them into knives using anything resembling normal gem
} faceting methods. But knives can be made using the proper lapping
} technique and the appropriate grades of diamond powder. Here is an
} interesting link on modern diamond powder technology:
}
} {http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/
} BNP__Features__Item/0,2710,152388,00.html}
}
} At any rate, besides glass, only hard single crystals of diamond,
} sapphire, and silicon carbide seem to be appropriate for making
} ultramicrotome knives, which by their nature demand a perfectly
} homogeneous material. Sapphire knives were sold at one time by
} Diatome but the price was reputedly about $500 apiece and they became
} dull, unlike diamond knives, so the economics was questionable.
}
} My SiC knives become dull after a few hundred slices, probably
} depending on the the hardness of the embedding plastic (glycol
} methacrylate works well), but the raw materials are inexpensive and
} my lapping machine only cost about $50 to build, so the labor of
} making them is inherently the major cost.
}
} Since SiC crystals are difficult to sharpen without breaking the
} edge, I assume the exact same lapping techniques would also be
} appropriate for sapphire, which is softer tougher and less brittle
} than SiC; the latter are the very devil to sharpen without breaking.
} I learned how to make them through sheer stubbornness in order to
} make many serial sections with my Porter Blum MT-2 without paying
} $1000+ for a diamond knife.
}
} I can only guess at the durability of sapphire knives, but the fact
} that they were once offered indicates that they might still be a
} viable alternative for some applications if they were only available
} at a lower cost.
}
} My SiC crystals are epoxyed in a slot cut in the apex of a steel
} holder the same size and shape as a right angle glass knife. The
} clean crystals are hydrophilic (I assume the exposed surface layer at
} the atomic level is silicon oxide). I clean them by wiping the edge
} sideways with Teflon and don't have many wetting problems.
}
} My conclusion is that I don't much want to go the trouble of trying
} to make money patenting, licensing and selling knives, but that I
} should publish my technique of making them, most likely in the Review
} of Scientific Instruments, and see if the world pays attention. I
} don't think the method of sharpening hard crystals to give very sharp
} edges has ever been published; I can't find it in the scientific
} literature. I seriously doubt it would work for diamonds without
} modification.
}
} The only possible drawback to open publication is that no one maker
} could make a lot of money making them, and thus might not offer them,
} assuming they prove to be a modestly useful alternative to diamonds.
}
} I assume that maybe the Chinese could sell disposable knives for $20
} or so and they might catch on for student use and low budget and
} occasional use. Glass knives are clearly sharper for a few dozen
} sections and diamond knives clearly last longer.
}
} -- Roger Baker Jr.
} 1303 Bentwood,
} Austin Tx, 78722
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
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From: MSHERWOOD-at-PARTNERS.ORG
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Microscopy] TEM: Immunocytochemistry and Cu grids

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I second Sousan's reply. It saves downloading a lot of different emails! I
also found the information quite helpful.

Peggy

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-----Original Message-----
X-from: TindallR-at-missouri.edu [mailto:TindallR-at-missouri.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:22 PM
To: Sherwood, Margaret

Dear Listers,

Below is a compilation of the replies I received to my recent question
about Cu vs. Ni grids for immunolabeling. I usually don't do this
without express permission, but most everybody posted to the list
anyway, and I made sure to edit those that didn't. If it bothers
anyone, let me know and I will never do it again.

In summary, it appears that copper can and will react with salts in
buffe