No no stop! Dont try the transformer oil on the gun part. Transformer oil eats plastics and rubbers. Been there done that and paid the price. If you want to use any oils in the gun part of a EM use any of the silicone oils from dow corning. 702 or 705. that works just as well. What we use is the insulating epoxy they use for electrical cables. You can buy it from your local electrician shop. It comes in a packet with two sections. simply mix the two halfs, pour into the gun HT cable connection area, after repair, and it's fine. Much cheaper, less messy and safer.
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To save writing out all the options please take a look at our web site HINTS and TIPS to check where your problem is, is it the gun, gun chamber, cable or high voltage tank? Do not consider that the only problem is likely to be the insulation of the gun. Chamber cleanliness, vacuum level etc all play a part in high voltage breakdown a feature that will result in beam instability.
But is it beam instability due to the gun (emission meter variations, virtual source fluttering) or due to contamination in the condenser system illumination flutter or movement)?
Hope this helps?
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Dear Members I am trying to accumulate literature sources that explain how best to prepare insect specimens for sectioning so that the medium adheres well and such that the knife doesn't 'catch' the specimen and 'drag' it out of the medium. I would like to start with semi-thin sections of wings, and then ultra thin for TEM. If there are any 'inside' tricjs that are unpublished or otherwise unlikely to be encountered, I would be grateful. Thanks Ian
Ian Stocks 308 Long Hall Clemson University 864 656 5058 istocks-at-clemson.edu
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Dear Ian, For LM use London Resin and try to match the hardness of the resin to the tissue eg use the hardest grade for highly sclerotised beetle cuticle and the medium grade for most cuticles. Tricks like orienting the block so the knife cuts the cuticle first then cuts through the underlying tissue will help but the hydrophobic epicuticle of some insects will never bond to the resin when using standard glutaraldehyde/osmium fixations. Yell if you want more detail. Cheers, Eric Hines CSIRO Entomology Canberra OZ
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First the flame: why assume we only like looking at little itty bitty things?
On to real comments: Actually, I like looking at anything (size doesn't count) and I like making cool and/or pretty pictures and I like math puzzles.
Being a microscopist fulfills all of these and pays my bills. To support my job and my interests, to have access to the cool materials and technologies that keep me fascinated, I need to be concerned with the latest multi-probe cutting edge technologies, running a multi-user facility, having a purchasing department, federal grants, personnel and a job. Such is reality.
The conclusion is: We should be discussing both the microscopies (cool pictures and how to make them regardless whether they are snowflakes for the elementary classroom or biological processes to understand cutting edge protein interactions) and the processes for supporting the microscopies (e.g. federal grants vs. commercial).
I've been subscribed here for years. It seems to me this listserv is doing exactly what I describe/prescribe. Do we really need to discuss this more?
-Michael
} Esteemed Microscopists, } } Since most of you apparently are in Hawaii now, I'll waste a little } bandwidth and a few KB to vent. I'd like to note that: } } (1) This is a MICROSCOPY listserver. This apparently means "looking at } little things". } } (2) There is apparently no requirement that one must be using the latest } multi-probe cutting edge technology, run a multi-user facility, or have a } purchasing department, federal grant, or even a job. Our common bond is } that we like to "look at little things".
____________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cammer Analytical Imaging Facility Albert Einstein Coll. of Med. Jack & Pearl Resnick Campus 1300 Morris Park Ave. Bronx, NY 10461 (718) 430-2890 Fax: 430-8996 URL: http://www.aecom.yu.edu/aif/ **This electronic transmission contains information that is privileged.**
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Our local safety inspector is concerned about the appearance of the fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As you can expect the white interior of the fridge has turned grey with vapors of osmium over the years. Although we are taking every precautions to avoid leakage of osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem that I have observed in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does someone on the list have a method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid any escape of vapor? Also, is there something we could put into fridge that would trap osmium vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise.
Marc
-- Marc Pypaert Department of Cell Biology Center for Cell and Molecular Imaging Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research Yale University School of Medicine 333 Cedar Street, PO Box 208002 New Haven, CT 06520-8002 TEL 203-785 3681 FAX 203-785 7446
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you could try placing the bottle in a bath of oil, but that would get messy.
--- marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu wrote:
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i was trying to send that directly back to poster. my bad i guess.
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-----Original Message----- X-from: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu [mailto:marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:13 AM To: msimms-at-tracelabs.com
Question to the list:
Our local safety inspector is concerned about the appearance of the fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As you can expect the white interior of the fridge has turned grey with vapors of osmium over the years. Although we are taking every precautions to avoid leakage of osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem that I have observed in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does someone on the list have a method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid any escape of vapor? Also, is there something we could put into fridge that would trap osmium vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise.
Marc
-- Marc Pypaert Department of Cell Biology Center for Cell and Molecular Imaging Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research Yale University School of Medicine 333 Cedar Street, PO Box 208002 New Haven, CT 06520-8002 TEL 203-785 3681 FAX 203-785 7446
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We store our osmium in a secondary container...a large poly pro bottle (capped) and then we bag that container in a plastic Ziploc. It helps a bit.
Dorrance
-----Original Message----- X-from: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu [mailto:marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:10 AM To: McLean, Dorrance
Question to the list:
Our local safety inspector is concerned about the appearance of the fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As you can expect the white interior of the fridge has turned grey with vapors of osmium over the years. Although we are taking every precautions to avoid leakage of osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem that I have observed in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does someone on the list have a method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid any escape of vapor? Also, is there something we could put into fridge that would trap osmium vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise.
Marc
-- Marc Pypaert Department of Cell Biology Center for Cell and Molecular Imaging Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research Yale University School of Medicine 333 Cedar Street, PO Box 208002 New Haven, CT 06520-8002 TEL 203-785 3681 FAX 203-785 7446
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When OsO4 came in metal cans, I found by placing the working solution in a Wheaton dropper bottle, wrap the bulb with Parafilm, place the bottle in the can, close the lid, wrap the lid with electrician tape, and place the can in a plastic Ziplock bag worked great. You could essentially use any clean glass container, not just a Wheaton bottle.
After 20 years of working with OsO4, the inside of the refrigerator was pristine. It requires diligence to unwrap and wrap the container, but it worked.
A short-cut to the above mentioned technique, was to use a clean pint paint, place the Wheaton bottle in the can and push the lid down tight, then place the entire can in a Ziplock bag.
Regards, Ken _______________________________________ Kenneth L. Tiekotter, Adjunct Professor The University of Portland Department of Biology 5000 N Willamette Blvd. Portland, OR 97203 USA
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in the alternative and it may be more expensive and you may not want to go there. and if someone with a better memory than i do anymore, can correct me. i do remember seeing premade OsO4 in small amounts. use what you need, perhaps even batch the tissue samples. then throw out the unused in the waste. just a thought.
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Although we are taking every precautions } to avoid leakage of } osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem } that I have observed } in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does someone } on the list have a } method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid any } escape of vapor? } Also, is there something we could put into fridge } that would trap osmium } vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise. } } Marc } } -- } Marc Pypaert } Department of Cell Biology } Center for Cell and Molecular Imaging } Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research } Yale University School of Medicine } 333 Cedar Street, PO Box 208002 } New Haven, CT 06520-8002 } TEL 203-785 3681 } FAX 203-785 7446 } } } ==============================Original } Headers============================== } 5, 18 -- From marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu Tue Aug 2 } 11:09:11 2005 5, 18 -- } Received: from BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU } (biomed.med.yale.edu } [130.132.232.48]) } 5, 18 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with } ESMTP id } j72G9BnV011512 } 5, 18 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 } Aug 2005 } 11:09:11 -0500 } 5, 18 -- Received: from yale.edu } (net234-111.med.yale.edu } [130.132.234.111]) 5, 18 -- by biomed.med.yale.edu } (PMDF V6.1-1 #30532) } 5, 18 -- with ESMTP id } {01LRCOV1R88000DGI6-at-biomed.med.yale.edu} for 5, } 18 -- microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 } 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) } 5, 18 -- Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:09:07 -0400 5, 18 } -- From: Marc } Pypaert {marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu} 5, 18 -- Subject: } Osmium vapors 5, 18 -- } In-reply-to: } {200508021530.j72FU83w031285-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 18 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 5, 18 -- Message-id: } {C13CE8F5-036F-11DA-AC3D-0030659833B4-at-yale.edu} } 5, 18 -- MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework } v553) 5, 18 -- } X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) 5, 18 -- Content-type: } text/plain; } format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII 5, 18 -- } Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit } ==============================End of - } Headers============================== } } } } } ==============================Original } Headers============================== } 16, 29 -- From dmclea-at-sandia.gov Tue Aug 2 11:23:07 } 2005 } 16, 29 -- Received: from MM01SNLNTO.sandia.gov } (mm01snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.20]) } 16, 29 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) } with ESMTP id j72GN6sj016374 } 16, 29 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 } Aug 2005 11:23:07 -0500 } 16, 29 -- Received: from 132.175.109.1 by } MM01SNLNTO.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( } 16, 29 -- Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay 01 (MMS } v5.6.3)); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:22:58 } 16, 29 -- -0600 } 16, 29 -- X-Server-Uuid: } 2C1074A8-2B28-4DE3-9F7D-FF40AE090BA2 } 16, 29 -- Received: from ES23SNLNT.srn.sandia.gov } (ec04snlnt.sandia.gov } 16, 29 -- [134.253.164.156] (may be forged)) by } mailgate.sandia.gov ( } 16, 29 -- 8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id } j72GMvj1022217 for } 16, 29 -- {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 Aug } 2005 10:22:57 -0600 (MDT) } 16, 29 -- x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange } V6.5.7226.0 } 16, 29 -- Content-class: urn:content-classes:message } 16, 29 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 } 16, 29 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } 16, 29 -- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:22:57 -0600 } 16, 29 -- Message-ID: } {CA82EF34F71386438BB876223415C48B547F9C-at-ES23SNLNT.srn.sandia.gov} } 16, 29 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: } 16, 29 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: } 16, 29 -- Thread-Topic: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } 16, 29 -- Thread-Index: } AcWXfLetpvW4GZDKT2e/upxSKZzHCwAAQTkg } 16, 29 -- From: "McLean, Dorrance" } {dmclea-at-sandia.gov} } 16, 29 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 16, 29 -- X-WSS-ID: 6EF142681AC2029935-01-01 } 16, 29 -- Content-Type: text/plain; } 16, 29 -- charset=us-ascii } 16, 29 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit } 16, 29 -- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from } quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.microscopy.com id } j72GN6sj016374 } ==============================End of - } Headers============================== }
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We use Osmium in our lab and keep it in the refrigerator. We keep it in a glass bottle and cover the lid with parafilm. Then we put that bottle in another bottle with a screw top and wrap the bottle in foil. It works great, our refrigerator doesn't have and black residue, just the two bottles.
rebecca
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is mannie Mannie Steglich still around? haven't heard from him in a while. john
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It helps a } } bit. } } } } Dorrance } } } } -----Original Message----- } } X-from: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu } } [mailto:marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu] } } Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:10 AM } } To: McLean, Dorrance } } Subject: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } ---- } } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The } } Microscopy Society of } } America To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } } On-Line Help } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } ---- } } } } Question to the list: } } } } Our local safety inspector is concerned about the } } appearance of the } } fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As } you } } can expect the } } white interior of the fridge has turned grey with } } vapors of osmium over } } the years. Although we are taking every } precautions } } to avoid leakage of } } osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem } } that I have observed } } in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does } someone } } on the list have a } } method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid } any } } escape of vapor? } } Also, is there something we could put into fridge } } that would trap osmium } } vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise. } } } } Marc } } } } -- } } Marc Pypaert } } Department of Cell Biology } } Center for Cell and Molecular Imaging } } Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research } } Yale University School of Medicine } } 333 Cedar Street, PO Box 208002 } } New Haven, CT 06520-8002 } } TEL 203-785 3681 } } FAX 203-785 7446 } } } } } } ==============================Original } } Headers============================== } } 5, 18 -- From marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu Tue Aug 2 } } 11:09:11 2005 5, 18 -- } } Received: from BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU } } (biomed.med.yale.edu } } [130.132.232.48]) } } 5, 18 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) } with } } ESMTP id } } j72G9BnV011512 } } 5, 18 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 } } Aug 2005 } } 11:09:11 -0500 } } 5, 18 -- Received: from yale.edu } } (net234-111.med.yale.edu } } [130.132.234.111]) 5, 18 -- by } biomed.med.yale.edu } } (PMDF V6.1-1 #30532) } } 5, 18 -- with ESMTP id } } {01LRCOV1R88000DGI6-at-biomed.med.yale.edu} for 5, } } 18 -- microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 } } 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) } } 5, 18 -- Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:09:07 -0400 5, } 18 } } -- From: Marc } } Pypaert {marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu} 5, 18 -- Subject: } } Osmium vapors 5, 18 -- } } In-reply-to: } } {200508021530.j72FU83w031285-at-ns.microscopy.com} } } 5, 18 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } } 5, 18 -- Message-id: } } {C13CE8F5-036F-11DA-AC3D-0030659833B4-at-yale.edu} } } 5, 18 -- MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message } framework } } v553) 5, 18 -- } } X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) 5, 18 -- } Content-type: } } text/plain; } } format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII 5, 18 -- } } Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit } } ==============================End of - } } Headers============================== } } } } } } } } } } ==============================Original } } Headers============================== } } 16, 29 -- From dmclea-at-sandia.gov Tue Aug 2 } 11:23:07 } } 2005 } } 16, 29 -- Received: from MM01SNLNTO.sandia.gov } } (mm01snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.20]) } } 16, 29 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) } } with ESMTP id j72GN6sj016374 } } 16, 29 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 } } Aug 2005 11:23:07 -0500 } } 16, 29 -- Received: from 132.175.109.1 by } } MM01SNLNTO.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( } } 16, 29 -- Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay 01 (MMS } } v5.6.3)); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:22:58 } } 16, 29 -- -0600 } } 16, 29 -- X-Server-Uuid: } } 2C1074A8-2B28-4DE3-9F7D-FF40AE090BA2 } } 16, 29 -- Received: from ES23SNLNT.srn.sandia.gov } } (ec04snlnt.sandia.gov } } 16, 29 -- [134.253.164.156] (may be forged)) by } } mailgate.sandia.gov ( } } 16, 29 -- 8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id } } j72GMvj1022217 for } } 16, 29 -- {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 2 Aug } } 2005 10:22:57 -0600 (MDT) } } 16, 29 -- x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft } Exchange } } V6.5.7226.0 } } 16, 29 -- Content-class: } urn:content-classes:message } } 16, 29 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 } } 16, 29 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } 16, 29 -- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:22:57 -0600 } } 16, 29 -- Message-ID: } } } {CA82EF34F71386438BB876223415C48B547F9C-at-ES23SNLNT.srn.sandia.gov} } } 16, 29 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: } } 16, 29 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: } } 16, 29 -- Thread-Topic: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } 16, 29 -- Thread-Index: } } AcWXfLetpvW4GZDKT2e/upxSKZzHCwAAQTkg } === message truncated ===
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Working with undergraduates in a small (yet multiuser) lab, I have had concerns about handling and storing osmium tetroxide for years. My solution (which may not be practical for everyone) is that only sealed ampoules are stored in the fridge (in their original shipping can and packing materials). Vials are opened one at a time, the solutions are mixed and used, tissues are exposed, left-over supplies are stored, and waste is kept ONLY in the fume hood. In other words, opened supplies of osmium never leave the fume hood (until disposal as toxic waste). If a cold solution is needed, and ice bath can be used. We mix just about enough for each procedure, and the unused left-over Os04 working solution is kept in a small glass jar in the hood for the next procedure. So we have no blackened refrigerator surfaces and no Os04 fumes accumulating in the fridge (or escaping into the room). It seems to me that this approach could be expanded for a larger lab.
--Jan
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is mannie Mannie Steglich still around? haven't heard from him in a while. john
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It helps a } } bit. } } } } Dorrance } } } } -----Original Message----- } } X-from: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu } } [mailto:marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu] } } Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:10 AM } } To: McLean, Dorrance } } Subject: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } ---- } } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The } } Microscopy Society of } } America To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } } On-Line Help } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } ---- } } } } Question to the list: } } } } Our local safety inspector is concerned about the } } appearance of the } } fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As } you } } can expect the } } white interior of the fridge has turned grey with } } vapors of osmium over } } the years. Although we are taking every } precautions } } to avoid leakage of } } osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem } } that I have observed } } in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does } someone } } on the list have a } } method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid } any } } escape of vapor? } } Also, is there something we could put into fridge } } that would trap osmium } } vapors as they leak out? 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The simplest solution to this problem is not to keep your osmium in the refrigerator. I keep mine in a glass Schott bottle with plastic cap which is then stored within a plastic container in the fume hood. I am not sure if light effects the osmium but to be sure, I wrap the plastic container in aluminum foil. There is leakage from the glass bottle because over time, the inside of the plastic container goes black. Anything that leaks past the secondary container goes up the fume hood. Once every year or two, I splurge and replace the bottle and container. I don't experience "pre-mature" darkening of my 2% osmium stock which typically lasts about 2-3 months before I use it all up. Tom Phillips
Thomas E. Phillips, PhD Professor of Biological Sciences Director, Molecular Cytology Core 2 Tucker Hall University of Missouri Columbia, MO 65211-7400
well thats good to know. is it cooler there than here?
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The last I knew he was at MD Anderson in Texas - but he may well have retired by now - see http://woodenwonderstx.com/About.html
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Question: I keep my working solution of Osmium in a glass Wheaton or Gibco bottle with a Teflon-lined cap and wrap the cap with Parafilm and put that into the metal can that's shipped with the ampoules of Osmium or a larger glass jar. I layer molecular sieves in the can/jar. Any escaping Osmium vapors are indicated by blackening Parafilm... or blackening refrigerator! Our frig is clean.
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Question: What exactly is the N.A. or numerical aperture and why on my condensor it's value is 0.9 and on my high power objetive it is 1.25?
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NA is 0.5 of AA. Or more correctly NA = n(sine of (AA/2)). The notation n is the refractive index between your lens and the glass slide or cover slip, usually air n=1.0000. This isn't very helpful is it? AA or angular aperture is a measure of the angle which describes the largest come of light your objective will accept or your condenser will produce. Resolution depends (simple theory) capturing as many of the defracted rays from a sample as possible. The bigger the cone the more rays you capture and the more resolution you have and the more you can magnify the sample.
Optics meant to be used in air always have an NA less than 1. Those using oil, glycine or water have a NA greater than one. Condensers typically have a higher NA than your assortment of objectives because they have to accommodate many objectives. You reduce the NA of a condenser by closing the condenser iris down. If you have the correct illumination set up you can remove an eyepiece and watch the condenser iris close in the back focal plane of the objective. Most of us close it a little past the edge of the objective back focal plane 'cause we like it contrasty.
So your condenser is an meant to use in air while your objective is an oil emersion. Never, never, say it with me, never put beans in your nose or oil on a condenser with an NA of 0.9.
The best resolution you can get with your system is to oil the objective to the slide and use the condenser in air. Frankly, it's just OK that way and in my opinion it's oil immersion is never worth the work (OK you can flame me now...) You need to oil both the condenser and objective to the slide (assuming you have the right thickness slide, cover slip and your sample has sufficient contrast by staining or difference in refractive index) to get the most out of your optical system. I'm a microscopist cause I'm a big sloppy guy and this is all too much trouble for me.
Sound like a homework question, so good luck!!!!
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Question: What exactly is the N.A. or numerical aperture and why on my condensor it's value is 0.9 and on my high power objetive it is 1.25?
In air a na of .9 is all that is possible with out oiling the condenser to the slide. Condensers made with .9 na make better images with out oil than 1.2 na to 1.4 na oil immersion condensers with out oil. Also simple Abby condensers have a good deal of chromic aberration at wide apertures.
The combination of those and the fact that most users don't take the time to oil the condenser to the bottom of the slide resulted in many microscope makers using .9 na condensers. For a in depth discussion of the problems of large na condenser and other things see Ted Clark's piece http://www.modernmicroscopy.com/main.asp?article=53 in Modern Microscopy. Other work on lighting by Ted Clarke is referenced at http://www.couger.com/microscope/Ted-Clarke/
You asked a good questioning about the aperture of the condenser. To get the full performance form an objective the condenser and light train need to be the same quality and na as the objective. That is usually only a real consideration for study at high resolution and high resolution microphotography. The limiting factor in any optic system is its weakest link. In micosopes this often the lighting and/or condeser.
Best Regards Gordon Gordon Couger
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The numerical aperture is a rating for how much light comes through. A variety of design factors that I can't explain affect the value. An excellent source of information for your class is available on the Olympus site. I've pasted the address of the page discussing objectives and N.A. below. From there you can navigate throughout their entire primer.
I don't have any connection to Olympus and other manufacturers may also have excellent technical information up on the web. I suggested this site because I found it to be very well organized, illustrated, and easy to understand. Aside from the liberal use of the "Olympus" label, the discussions are based on science, not a sales pitch. I hope this helps.
Walt Klonowski Pikes Peak Test Labs
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Email: sswaffe-at-abv.bg Name: Veselin Andreev
Organization: National High School of Mathematics and Science
Education: 9-12th Grade High School
Location: Sofia, Bulgaria
Question: What exactly is the N.A. or numerical aperture and why on my condensor it's value is 0.9 and on my high power objetive it is 1.25?
The numerical aperture is the light collecting ability of a specific piece of optics. It depends on two factors: half the actual collecting angle and the refractive index of the immersion fluid. The equation is: NA=n x sin a where n = ri of the immersion fluid (air is 1.00, oil is 1.5212, water is 1.33, for example) and " a" is the half angle.
Your question is an interesting one for several reasons.
First, both the NA of the condenser and the NA of the objective contribute to resolution: (Equations are difficult to send by email, but here is the basic equation:) R = [1.2 L]/[NAo + NAc] where 1.2 is a shape factor (Bessel function) reflecting the round apertures we use in the microscope, "L" is the wavelength of light (you can use 500nm or 0.500microns as an average), and NAo = NA objective; NAc = NA condenser.
Interestingly, this equation is related to not only the ability to resolve spacing (R is actually the smallest distance between two objects which still permits them to be imaged as 2 separate entities), it also has impact on edge fidelity. As a result, higher NA optics (both objective and condenser) not only improve your ability to resolve fine detail, they also produce crisper, sharper edges.
Secondly, the NA's written on your glassware are only the general operating specs. If you close down the iris in the condenser, you limit the NA of the condenser. Since your condenser has a maximum NA of 0.9,it is not meant to be used with oil. On the other hand, your objective NA indicates that, for best imaging, a drop of the appropriate immersion oil should be placed between it and the top of your sample. If you don't follow this procedure, your images will not only lack clarity (immersion oil is considered to be an important optical component of the system), your objective will only operate with a "working NA" of approximately 0.9.
Finally, your question is very appropriate because, for optimum resolution, the NA of the condenser should match or exceed the NA of your objective. Your condenser does not meet this requirement. If you do the calculations with the Resolution equation above, you will see that you will limit the resolution available from your system. Since you are working at the High School level, this limitation will probably not have a serious impact on your work. If you eventually get involved with higher level research, I would recommend that you purchase a condenser which better fits your needs.
All of this is explained in "Optimizing Light Microscopy," a book still available through MME. For further information, please contact Ken Piel at kenpiel-at-mme1.com. (Tell him I sent you).
Hope this is helpful and good luck in your studies!
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We keep our osmium solutions in Schott Duran laboratory bottles (http://www.schott-duran.com/english/products/duran/detail/laborflaschen .html), and keep the bottles in a paint can (a new one that never had paint in it). This is then kept in our fridge. This arrangement seems to keep the vapour contained (no marks in our fridge) and isn't a pain to open up. I also keep a pottle of whole milk powder in there for spills.
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Question to the list:
Our local safety inspector is concerned about the appearance of the fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. As you can expect the white interior of the fridge has turned grey with vapors of osmium over the years. Although we are taking every precautions to avoid leakage of osmium vapor from its container, this is a problem that I have observed in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does someone on the list have a method to store osmium in such a way as to avoid any escape of vapor? Also, is there something we could put into fridge that would trap osmium vapors as they leak out? Thanks for your advise.
Marc
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Osmium vapours are not stopped by simple bottle tops. We buy ours already made up. The bottle lids have a plastic (?) insert which is effective.
Waste osmium is stored in any bottle which is then kept in what we can in the UK a Kilner jar. It is made of glass, has a rubber seal and uses wire to clamp the lid very tightly. Osmium vapours do not seem to pass through rubber seals. Unfortunately new Kilner jars in my supermarket have plastic seals - so an experiment will be required.
Dave
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We use Osmium in our lab and keep it in the refrigerator. We keep it in a glass bottle and cover the lid with parafilm. Then we put that bottle in another bottle with a screw top and wrap the bottle in foil. It works great, our refrigerator doesn't have and black residue, just the two bottles.
rebecca
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appart from the good explanations you already received from other list members, I recommend you another link where you can also find explanations on how the NA determines the microscope resolution:
http://support.svi.nl/wiki/NumericalAperture
As this is a wiki site, you can also share your knowledge by editing it!
Regards,
jose.
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will replies like these reach the sender? I mean, this question was posted from AskAMicroscopist, not emailed by a list member, so I am afraid our replies will not reach people like Veselin unless we explicity include them in the address of our emails...
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We have a consultant who has a lot of experience in this area and also provides training. I"ll forward your email to him
Best regards Barbara Foster
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We have been running an older version, S200 for some 15 years. Overall, it has had an excellent service history (mostly replacing vacuum pumps and occasional chips, resistors, capacitors, etc).
We are a metallurgy lab, so our samples tend to be conductive and dry. The large sample chamber is a real plus as is the nice stage. Also, we are not heavy users and kept limited access with regard to number of users. We do miss having direct digital imaging, which I presume the S250 has. Your situation may be very different than ours. Newer scopes offer partial vacuum capabilities and probably better ultimate resolution.
Other than being an older instrument (not always a bad thing) without some of the newer bells and whistles, I have no regrets and we look forward to many more years of service from it.
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I had known at one time, but I suppose due to age, I can't remember, but I'm hoping that people here could advise me as to the best knife angle to buy on a Diatome knife. All our specimens are human biopsy tissue embedded in epon. I'd like to buy a histo-knife, and I was under the impression that 45 degrees would be the best sort of knife angle for routine use like this. Is this correct?
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In North America, Kilner jars are called Mason jars.
-- Lesley Weston
} From: David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk } Reply-To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 06:26:13 -0500 } To: leswes-at-shaw.ca } Subject: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } } } } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The Microscopy Society of America } To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } On-Line Help http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } } Osmium vapours are not stopped by simple bottle tops. We buy ours } already made up. The bottle lids have a plastic (?) insert which is } effective. } } Waste osmium is stored in any bottle which is then kept in what we can } in the UK a Kilner jar. It is made of glass, has a rubber seal and uses } wire to clamp the lid very tightly. Osmium vapours do not seem to pass } through rubber seals. Unfortunately new Kilner jars in my supermarket } have plastic seals - so an experiment will be required. } } Dave } } -----Original Message----- } X-from: gunkelrl-at-slu.edu [mailto:gunkelrl-at-slu.edu] } Sent: 02 August 2005 17:49 } To: David Patton } Subject: [Microscopy] Re: Osmium vapors } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } ---- } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The Microscopy Society of } America } To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } On-Line Help http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } ---- } } We use Osmium in our lab and keep it in the refrigerator. } We keep it in a glass bottle and cover the lid with } parafilm. Then we put that bottle in another bottle with a } screw top and wrap the bottle in foil. 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I use a 45 for normal work. I find it works very well. I have a 35 I use for special work. 35 has some advantages, but is not as robust. David
On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:41 AM, GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca wrote:
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it has been a while since i have purchased a knife. 48 degrees should work well for biological tissue. if you have doubts, questions or concerns i recommend contacting staci kirsh at electron microscopy sciences, she is an invaluble resource. john
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I have had 45 degree diamonds for most of my career but last year bought a 35 degree one. I think there is a significant improvement for the lymphoid tissue we are cutting these days. I hear they wear out faster but I don't do a ton of sectioning so the tradeoff seems worth it. Tom
Thomas E. Phillips, PhD Professor of Biological Sciences Director, Molecular Cytology Core 2 Tucker Hall University of Missouri Columbia, MO 65211-7400
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Skage, It might also depend on what you're trading for it. Some older SEMs might be worth trading while others might be better kept in your lab.
Ken Converse
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Hello Everyone Our lab has been offered a refurbished Cambridge S-250 electron microscope in exchange for another SEM unit.
Do anyone have anyone have strong opinions of this instrument ? or know of any advice I should heed before agreeing to such a trade in ?
Skage Hem Research Scientist, Ph.D. CAF, Department of Earth Sciences Laurentian University Ramsey Lake Road Sudbury, ON Canada P3E 2C6
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Skage, It might also depend on what you're trading for it. Some older SEMs might be worth trading while others might be better kept in your lab.
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Hello Everyone Our lab has been offered a refurbished Cambridge S-250 electron microscope in exchange for another SEM unit.
Do anyone have anyone have strong opinions of this instrument ? or know of any advice I should heed before agreeing to such a trade in ?
Skage Hem Research Scientist, Ph.D. CAF, Department of Earth Sciences Laurentian University Ramsey Lake Road Sudbury, ON Canada P3E 2C6
ph. 705-562-7321 fax 705-675-4898
http://laurentian.ca/geology/Research/hem.html
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Diatome suggest for their 'ultra' diamond knives, that 45 degree is good for routine sections. 35 degree apparently offers less section distortions in biology and materials science. 55 degree is best for really hard ceramics and similar materials
The Diatome article offers two references: 1. J.C. Jesior; How to avoid compression; Jnl. of Ultrastructure & Molecular Structure Res. 95, 210-217 (1986) 2. J.C. Jesior; Use of low-angle diamond knives leads to improved ultrastructural preservation of ultrathin sections; Scanning Microscopy Supplement 3, 147-153 (1989); Scanning Microscopy International, Chicago (AMF O'Hare) IL 6066 USA.
This information came out of a Diatome colour brochure which I must have received some time in the last 10 years or so. I do not have the actual references.
NB Incidentally Diatome do market a 'Histo' knife but it is really intended for light microscopy sections rather than ultrathin ones ('Ultra' knives).
Good luck
Malcolm
Malcolm Haswell e.m. unit School of Health, Natural and Social Sciences Fleming Building University of Sunderland Tyne & Wear SR1 3SD UK e-mail: malcolm.haswell-at-sunderland.ac.uk
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unless i have forgotten, diatome also/used to market a semi diamone kife that would cut semi thin sections as well as thin sections. of course the memory is the first thing to go.
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Jesior; Use of low-angle diamond knives } leads to improved } ultrastructural preservation of ultrathin sections; } Scanning Microscopy } Supplement 3, 147-153 (1989); Scanning Microscopy } International, } Chicago (AMF O'Hare) IL 6066 USA. } } This information came out of a Diatome colour } brochure which I must } have received some time in the last 10 years or so. } I do not have the } actual references. } } NB Incidentally Diatome do market a 'Histo' knife } but it is really } intended for light microscopy sections rather than } ultrathin ones } ('Ultra' knives). } } Good luck } } Malcolm } } Malcolm Haswell } e.m. unit } School of Health, Natural and Social Sciences } Fleming Building } University of Sunderland } Tyne & Wear } SR1 3SD } UK } e-mail: malcolm.haswell-at-sunderland.ac.uk } } } ----- Original Message ----- } X-from: GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca } Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2005 7:41 pm } Subject: [Microscopy] best knife angle } } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------- } } --------- } } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The } Microscopy Society of } } AmericaTo Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserverOn-Line } Help } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html------------ } } } ---------------------------------------------------------------- } } } } } } I had known at one time, but I suppose due to age, } I can't } } remember, but I'm } } hoping that people here could advise me as to the } best knife angle } } to buy on } } a Diatome knife. All our specimens are human } biopsy tissue } } embedded in } } epon. I'd like to buy a histo-knife, and I was } under the } } impression that 45 } } degrees would be the best sort of knife angle for } routine use like } } this. Is } } this correct? } } } } This e-mail and/or any documents in this } transmission is intended } } for the address(s) only and may contain legally } privileged or } } confidential information. Any unauthorized use, } disclosure, } } distribution, copying or dissemination is strictly } prohibited. 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Skage, I'm not really familiar with either model, but maybe someone on the list is and can give you some recommendations. You might also try contacting Earl Weltmer of Scanservice Corp. earlw-at-sbcglobal.net as he is familiar with more makes and models than I am.
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Hi Ken, Its replacing a nanolab-7 (old Zeiss) Skage
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Skage, It might also depend on what you're trading for it. Some older SEMs might be worth trading while others might be better kept in your lab.
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Hello Everyone Our lab has been offered a refurbished Cambridge S-250 electron microscope in exchange for another SEM unit.
Do anyone have anyone have strong opinions of this instrument ? or know of any advice I should heed before agreeing to such a trade in ?
Skage Hem Research Scientist, Ph.D. CAF, Department of Earth Sciences Laurentian University Ramsey Lake Road Sudbury, ON Canada P3E 2C6
ph. 705-562-7321 fax 705-675-4898
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thanks for the info, mannie is still around and hasn't retired yet. i just got an email from him. we went to college together. i can't tell you the number of friends and girl friends i lost touch with from college. some i regret others i do not. so are you heading to st martins?
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It helps a } } } } bit. } } } } } } } } Dorrance } } } } } } } } -----Original Message----- } } } } X-from: marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu } } } } [mailto:marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu] } } } } Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:10 AM } } } } To: McLean, Dorrance } } } } Subject: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } } } ---- } } } } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The } } } } Microscopy Society of } } } } America To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } } } } On-Line Help } } } } } } } } } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } } } } ---- } } } } } } } } Question to the list: } } } } } } } } Our local safety inspector is concerned about } the } } } } appearance of the } } } } fridge where we stock our solution of osmium. } As } } } you } } } } can expect the } } } } white interior of the fridge has turned grey } with } } } } vapors of osmium over } } } } the years. Although we are taking every } } } precautions } } } } to avoid leakage of } } } } osmium vapor from its container, this is a } problem } } } } that I have observed } } } } in every EM lab that I have worked in. Does } } } someone } } } } on the list have a } } } } method to store osmium in such a way as to } avoid } } } any } } } } escape of vapor? } } } } Also, is there something we could put into } fridge } } } } that would trap osmium } } } } vapors as they leak out? 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I noticed the Tungsten Carbide knives in a catalog, and wondered if this sort of knife would be at all suitable to cut 0.7 micron sections of Epon embedding biological material. Currently we are using histo-diamond knives, but it is my dream to be able to use a more durable, cheaper knife that gives the same result. I was just wondering if anyone has tried this, and what sort of result they might get with epon. Or is it a stupid idea?
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==============================Original Headers============================== 3, 20 -- From GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca Thu Aug 4 12:07:31 2005 3, 20 -- Received: from hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca (hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca [142.233.100.122]) 3, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j74H7Vlm007375 3, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:07:31 -0500 3, 20 -- Received: from mudslide.hsc.mb.ca (unverified [172.16.6.136]) by 3, 20 -- hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca(Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.346.0) with ESMTP id 3, 20 -- {B0013822258-at-hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca} for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ;Thu, 3, 20 -- 4 Aug 2005 12:10:10 -0500 3, 20 -- Received: by mudslide.hsc.mb.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)id 3, 20 -- {3F021T18} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:07:31 -0500 3, 20 -- Message-ID: 3, 20 -- {00A937989100304A83A058F6C45873FF32A253-at-hscxntmx0005.hsc.mb.ca} 3, 20 -- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:06:02 -0500 3, 20 -- From: Garry Burgess {GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca} 3, 20 -- Subject: Tungsten Carbide Knives and Semi-thin Epon Sections 3, 20 -- To: "'microscopy-at-microscopy.com'" {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} 3, 20 -- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) 3, 20 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 3, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; 3, 20 -- charset="iso-8859-1" ==============================End of - Headers==============================
Although I am only familiar with so-called 'hard' materials microtomy (metals, alloys, minerals, ceramic fibers and the like) the interesting point about the knife angle in this area is that the 35 sections better for all of the above materials in my lab, so the 45 knives gather dust. Since wear is a function of the amount of sectioning as well as type of material, I cannot comment on that aspect, but can note that we never had any damage to the 35 except when we deliberately tried to do so on ~20 micron, extremely hard amorphous alloys particles. (It was not pretty!).
The success of the lower angle is no fluke, as Helmut Gnaegi of Diatome has gotten good sections of; 200 micron quartz particles, polysilicon/metal layers on a single crystal silicon substrate, carbon fibers (but care had to be used or nicks would occur), superconducting oxide and Ti implants in bone. Phil Swab (with a coatings company in California) has sectioned many optical glass coatings, and layers of boron nitride and artificial diamond on single crystal silicon substrate. To the best of my knowledge, both of these specialists had trouble with any other angles.
My theory is that, for most of the above examples, the knife edge only initiates a crack in the fairly brittle material which is then 'wedged open' across the block face by the angle of the knife, hence the reduced damage with reduced angle (though section breakup does occur).
Finally, we did a bit of fooling around with histo knives a few years back. Far from being only good for semithins, though 1 micron thick sections of aluminum were produced, they produced some of the thinnest, flattest sections we ever obtained (~10 nm for nanocrystalline metals) and was the only knife that produced decent ~20 nm thick sections of the above amorphous alloy particles. Go figure.
Tom
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I have had 45 degree diamonds for most of my career but last year bought a 35 degree one. I think there is a significant improvement for the lymphoid tissue we are cutting these days. I hear they wear out faster but I don't do a ton of sectioning so the tradeoff seems worth it. Tom
Thomas E. Phillips, PhD Professor of Biological Sciences Director, Molecular Cytology Core 2 Tucker Hall University of Missouri Columbia, MO 65211-7400
the histo knife should last for years in the hands of a careful tech. and if you are using the sections for orientation a few knife scratches should matter. just be sure to not let an inexperienced person use them.
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I have used the Tungsten Carbide knives some. They are not sharp enough to cut sub-micron thick sections as they leave a slight snowy appearance to the block face. I have been successful in cutting plastic embedded tissue sections of approximately 3-5 microns with them. The edge stays good much longer than glass does. They are great for working with harder materials. After applying per-mount and coversliping the sections, the snowiness is no longer evident.
=========================================== Michael D. Standing Microscopy Technician Brigham Young University Microscopy Lab A-125A CLFB Provo, UT 84602
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I noticed the Tungsten Carbide knives in a catalog, and wondered if this sort of knife would be at all suitable to cut 0.7 micron sections of Epon embedding biological material. Currently we are using histo-diamond knives, but it is my dream to be able to use a more durable, cheaper knife that gives the same result. I was just wondering if anyone has tried this, and what sort of result they might get with epon. Or is it a stupid idea?
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==============================Original Headers============================== 3, 20 -- From GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca Thu Aug 4 12:07:31 2005 3, 20 -- Received: from hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca (hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca [142.233.100.122]) 3, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j74H7Vlm007375 3, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:07:31 -0500 3, 20 -- Received: from mudslide.hsc.mb.ca (unverified [172.16.6.136]) by 3, 20 -- hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca(Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.346.0) with ESMTP id 3, 20 -- {B0013822258-at-hscxntmx0003.hsc.mb.ca} for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ;Thu, 3, 20 -- 4 Aug 2005 12:10:10 -0500 3, 20 -- Received: by mudslide.hsc.mb.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)id 3, 20 -- {3F021T18} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:07:31 -0500 3, 20 -- Message-ID: 3, 20 -- {00A937989100304A83A058F6C45873FF32A253-at-hscxntmx0005.hsc.mb.ca} 3, 20 -- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:06:02 -0500 3, 20 -- From: Garry Burgess {GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca} 3, 20 -- Subject: Tungsten Carbide Knives and Semi-thin Epon Sections 3, 20 -- To: "'microscopy-at-microscopy.com'" {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} 3, 20 -- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) 3, 20 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 3, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; 3, 20 -- charset="iso-8859-1" ==============================End of - Headers==============================
==============================Original Headers============================== 12, 21 -- From Michael_Standing-at-byu.edu Thu Aug 4 12:58:57 2005 12, 21 -- Received: from nm.byu.edu (okinawa.byu.edu [128.187.21.60]) 12, 21 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j74Hwvcu030477 12, 21 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:58:57 -0500 12, 21 -- Message-Id: {200508041758.j74Hwvcu030477-at-ns.microscopy.com} 12, 21 -- Received: from A125ACLFB mds [10.25.35.3] 12, 21 -- by nm.byu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 1.4 $ on Linux 12, 21 -- via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); 12, 21 -- Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:58:56 -0600 12, 21 -- From: "Michael Standing" {Michael_Standing-at-byu.edu} 12, 21 -- To: {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} 12, 21 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] Tungsten Carbide Knives and Semi-thin Epon Sections 12, 21 -- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:58:56 -0600 12, 21 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 12, 21 -- Content-Type: text/plain; 12, 21 -- charset="us-ascii" 12, 21 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 12, 21 -- X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 12, 21 -- X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 12, 21 -- Thread-Index: AcWZFytRXidAGvFUS3SgWbl5VtTwBAABg9rg 12, 21 -- In-Reply-To: {200508041708.j74H8UTf008901-at-ns.microscopy.com} ==============================End of - Headers==============================
First, it used to be that a poster's personal name would appear in the X-from: field and give a pretty good idea of their identity. (List rules (http://www.msa.microscopy.org/MicroscopyListserver/Rules.html) ask that we provide our real name as part of the post.) Recent changes have stripped that field down to just the e-mail address. That makes messages look a lot more anonymous than before. In fact, the original From: field is preserved in the new stuff tacked on to the bottom of the post, but many of us probably don't look those lines over. So, it is probably a good practice to add a brief signature line so we clearly know who you are and can avoid some of the recent confusion.
Second, there are those new lines of stuff tacked onto the end of the posts. I encourage you all to trim those back as you reply to messages. They add unnecessary bulk to the messages. A new set is always tacked on anyway.
Cheers, even to those of you in Hawaii. I almost joined you there.
Warren Straszheim Iowa State University
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} Fellow listers: } } Just a reminder that the "Reply" functionality of the } list has recently changed. } } Currently, when you "Reply" to a message, the e-mail } is sent to the entire list, not just the original } sender. I believe that this is/was a biproduct of } Nestor's efforts to minimize SPAM (great job Nestor, } keep up the good work). } } This is different than in the past, when a "Reply" } only went to the author of the post you were replying } to. } } While this makes it easier to reply and have a post go } to the group, it also seems to have spawned a number } of messages there were meant for specific individuals, } but made their way to the entire group. } } Not necessarily a problem, but in some cases it could } be... } } John W. Raffensperger, Jr. } Beaver Dam, Wisconsin, USofA
==============================Original Headers============================== 11, 20 -- From wesaia-at-iastate.edu Thu Aug 4 13:09:47 2005 11, 20 -- Received: from mailhub-5.iastate.edu (mailhub-5.iastate.edu [129.186.140.15]) 11, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j74I9kNd005737 11, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:09:46 -0500 11, 20 -- Received: from mailout-1.iastate.edu (mailout-1.iastate.edu [129.186.140.1]) 11, 20 -- by mailhub-5.iastate.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j74I9j6E028497 11, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:09:46 -0500 11, 20 -- Received: from strasz.marl.iastate.edu(129.186.227.11) by mailout-1.iastate.edu via csmap 11, 20 -- id 2946fc12_0514_11da_8317_00304811d932_31391; 11, 20 -- Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:18:31 -0500 (CDT) 11, 20 -- Message-Id: {6.2.0.14.2.20050804115712.02cff998-at-wesaia.mail.iastate.edu} 11, 20 -- X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 11, 20 -- Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:09:45 -0500 11, 20 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com 11, 20 -- From: Warren E Straszheim {wesaia-at-iastate.edu} 11, 20 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] Reminder on Replying 11, 20 -- In-Reply-To: {200508041611.j74GBbSp000877-at-ns.microscopy.com} 11, 20 -- References: {200508041611.j74GBbSp000877-at-ns.microscopy.com} 11, 20 -- Mime-Version: 1.0 11, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ==============================End of - Headers==============================
On Aug 4, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Michael_Standing-at-byu.edu wrote:
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Exactly, Michael.
The problem with tungsten carbide is that it is actually a microcrystalline alloy of tungsten carbide particles bonded with cobalt, and this microstructure structure interferes with very thin sections, much as with steel, but the carbide is harder and tougher, which is why it is used to machine steel.
Knife facets may look quite shiny but they need to be polished much flatter than a wavelength of visible light if they are to meet at a smooth edge measured in the low nanometers, and thus be capable of cutting the sub-100 nanometer sections appropriate for EM work.
The good thing about metal alloys is that the edge angle can be made more acute while retaining the desired durability, but only at the expense of minimum section thickness, so they are used for LM work.
Glass does well for EM knives because it is amorphous and thus has no microstructure, while being hard enough to section. Of the hard monocrystal alternatives to glass suitable for EM knives, only sapphire, silicon carbide and diamond seem appropriate. All these are good candidate materials for ultramicrotome knives, depending on cost and other requirements.
Roger Baker 1303 Bentwood, Austin, Tx, 78722
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Greetings, I am looking for a tech that used to work here at UMBC, his name is Phil Rutledge. If anyone knows his whereabouts could you have him e-mail me at cpetty1-at-umbc.edu. He is a whiz with both our zeiss and jeol and I would love to ask him some questions about the scopes and stuff I have found lying about the facility. Thanks -- Chere Petty, M.S. Manager, Keith R. Porter Imaging Facility Department of Biological Sciences University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) 1000 Hilltop Circle Baltimore, MD 21250 Phone: 410-455-2296 Fax: 410-455-3875
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Glass Knives, cheap fast, reliable, Histo Diamonds are excellent and durable if used with care! Markus F. Meyenhofer Microscopy Labs. ----- Original Message ----- X-from: {GBurgess-at-exchange.hsc.mb.ca} To: {micro-at-superlink.net} Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:07 PM
yes i agree, glass knives are relativly cheap, fast? depends on what you are using them for. histo knives should last for years and can be used to face the blocks as well. used one for years untill someone with little experience got hold of it, i had never seen a diamond with so many chips in it. moral of the story, keep your knives close, but keep your diamind knives to yourself.
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We use bottles with rubber septums to store the liquid, and keep the bottles within sealed falcon tubes, within a sealed bottle. This keeps the vapours from leaking and discolouring the fridge.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Gordon Ante Vrdoljak Electron Microscope Lab AOL/IM rakhasha http://nature.berkeley.edu/~gvrdolja 26 Giannini Hall gvrdolja-at-nature.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone (510) 642-2085 Berkeley CA 94720-3330 fax (510) 643-6207 cell (510) 290-6793
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, marc.pypaert-at-yale.edu wrote:
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==============================Original Headers============================== 4, 26 -- From gvrdolja-at-nature.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 5 12:35:47 2005 4, 26 -- Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU (nature.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.253.219]) 4, 26 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j75HZlrc025444 4, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:35:47 -0500 4, 26 -- Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) 4, 26 -- by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C93C1E32 4, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:47 -0700 (PDT) 4, 26 -- Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) 4, 26 -- by localhost (nature.berkeley.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) 4, 26 -- with ESMTP id 20986-08 for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; 4, 26 -- Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) 4, 26 -- Received: by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix, from userid 7458) 4, 26 -- id 3AC42C1E37; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) 4, 26 -- Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) 4, 26 -- by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A3EC1E32 4, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) 4, 26 -- Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) 4, 26 -- From: Gordon Vrololjak {gvrdolja-at-nature.berkeley.edu} 4, 26 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com 4, 26 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] Osmium vapors 4, 26 -- In-Reply-To: {200508021610.j72GAiBv015397-at-ns.microscopy.com} 4, 26 -- Message-ID: {Pine.SOC.4.63.0508051032410.5926-at-nature.Berkeley.EDU} 4, 26 -- References: {200508021610.j72GAiBv015397-at-ns.microscopy.com} 4, 26 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 4, 26 -- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 4, 26 -- X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nature.berkeley.edu ==============================End of - Headers==============================
The Penn Regional Nanotechnology Facility at the University of Pennsylvania has an opening for a Research Scientist/Microscopist. The facility is equipped with transmission and scanning electron microscopes, atomic force microscopes, an ion accelerator and a focused ion beam. The successful candidate will assist the facility's technical director in training and assisting users, developing methods and maintaining the instruments. Qualifications for this position include an M.S. in materials or other physical science (Ph.D. preferred). A minimum of three years experience in the operation of SEM, TEM, FIB or AFM (experience with FIB or AFM preferred).
For immediate consideration, send resume/cv to:
Doug Yates dmyates-at-lrsm.upenn.edu Penn Regional Nanotechnology Facility University of Pennsylvania 3231 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104
Additional information about the position may be viewed at: http://www.hr.upenn.edu/jobs reference number: 050818006
Information about the Penn Regional Nanotechnology Facility may be viewed at: http://www.seas.upenn.edu/nanotechfacility
Thanks, Doug Yates
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The following technical position is available at Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine.
Microscopy Technician (Position # 55122)
A technical position is available in the Microscopy Facility of the Department of Anatomy and Neurobiology in the School of Medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University. The facility houses confocal, multi-photon, fluorescence, and electron microscopes (TEM & SEM). The successful candidate will assist with microscopy studies of various biological systems. Duties include instructing and assisting users of the facility, sample preparation, image analysis and minor equipment maintenance. Applicants should have excellent communication and organizational skills, an understanding of basic laboratory procedures, and the ability to manage a large and varied workload. Qualifications include a degree in Biology/Life Sciences, at least 2 years of experience with laser scanning microscopy (confocal and/or multi-photon), sample preparation, digital imaging, and image analysis. Experience with electron microscopy is an asset. Computer skills are essential.
Applications are to be submitted online via the VCU Jobs website at:
www.vcujobs.com
Click on the “Search Postings” link and under the “Working Title” field, select “Microscopy Technician”
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Scott Henderson, Ph.D. Director of Microscopy Associate Professor Dept. Anatomy & Neurobiology Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine Sanger Hall, Rm. 9-069d 1101 East Marshall St. Richmond, VA 23298-0709
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Email: ken.blight-at-cancer.org.uk Name: Ken Blight
Question: I have processed Drosophila eyes for immunolabelling (EM) using the Tokuyasu technique and the results are, to say the least, very disappointing. The eyes floated in the fixative which didn't help matters. The problem looks to be spacial when I compare the results to standard resin TEM preparation. Maybe there is some problem with buffers, fixation or section expansion. Does anyone have experience of these tough little beasties?
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Email: cornheadorama-at-hotmail.com Name: Jeff Miller
I'm not too familiar with these despite the fact I have two of them gathering dust. But I have heard them disfavorably compared to the S200. Mine may be site-rigged for handling semi wafers (and there's a chance both came from the same facility, at different times... a hunch) but in mine the stage uses little more substantial than pvc tubing to transmit the z-axis knob to the stage: horrible hysteresis.
I suspect these and related scopes were enormously popular, and I know for a fact this 'scope has die-hard fans.
LaB6 is typical but it wouldn't surprise me if there was an active aftermarket upgrade to FE: indeed one of mine may have one. On the other hand, you may have missed the bulk of the aftermarket boat by about 5 years: lots of parts for old scopes falling off of price lists.... but sometimes onto "clearance" lists :)
But I'd say even if your own scope leaves a lot to be desired, trading it for another old scope like this? I'd say deosn't quite make sense unless you have a special requirement. Ultimately, it just may not be worth the shipping: which of course is dicey unless there's at least a few hours teardown and re-assembly. Better the devil you know.
I hope more people respond, I've been back and forth as to whether to try to get one or both of mine working for about 6 years now :)
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Email: cornheadorama-at-hotmail.com Name: Jeff Miller
Question: I don't have experience with osmium compounds, and my suggestion may not be very practical (read: expensive) unless you have piles of vacuum fittings lying around like I do, but on occasion when wanting to "absolutely" seal something up I've used a KF50 stainless nipple (or bellows, sometimes)of appropriate length, a pair of stainless blanks, clamps, o-rings etc. so that the item could be sealed "vacuum tight". Of course it's all relative but I wouldn't think much vapour will diffuse though the ~5mm of highly compressed Viton. The clamps are a bit clumsy to put on but very quick to come off: I'm not sure you can get a quick-release clamp in KF50 but that would make it almost one-handed. You could probably save money and thru-gassing by having a single-ended arrangment, ie: a pipe section with a KF50 flange welded on one end and a cap welded on the other. Some (if not most) of the hi-vac houses weld their standard catalog items on-site, and some don't charge much extra (~%20 premium) for custom items from stock parts.
I think the idea of absorbants/reactants holds a lot of potential. Activated charcoal comes immediately to mind. Is it so reactive as to present a fire hazard if quickly adsorbed onto the huge surface area?
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Email: omelon-at-geology.utoronto.ca Name: Christopher R. Omelon
Organization: University of Toronto
Title-Subject: [Filtered] further hardening of LR White
Question: I have tried embedding large samples (~ 1cm3) of porous rock material in a variety of resins and find that LR White (Hard) provides the best infilling due to its low viscosity. That being said, the blocks are not as hard as when using epoxide resins such as EMBED 812. I am cold-curing (i.e. with accelerator) at both room temperature and at 4?C with mixed results, but even in the best case the blocks are not as hard as I would expect. My question: can I further harden the blocks by now placing these samples in the oven at 60?C? My reasoning is that resin within the block (i.e. beneath the surface and therefore not exposed to oxygen) will proceed with polymerization at a faster rate than if I left the blocks at room temperature. Or is the reaction now at completion? Thanks
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Email: block-at-nova.edu Name: R. Block
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Question: Can you give me a source of information explaining pseudo- confocal microscopy, how the data are acquired and analyzed? Thanks in advance.
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Organization: University of Cincinnati
Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver:Sodium Azide and TEM
Question: Does anyone know if it is o.k. to use sodium azide with TEM preps? Does it wash out o.k. or will it leave a nasty deposit? Thanks
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Email: sdmegs09-at-yahoo.com Name: Meghan Donahue
Organization: University of San Diego
Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver: Energy dispersive spectroscopy fixation
Question: I am trying to fix plant material for EDS in the TEM and I cannot find literature stating the fixation techniques. Is fixation different for EDS?
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Email: lauriern-at-videotron.ca Name: Norm
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Location: Canada
Question: What is the maximum resolution achievable in Phase Contrast and also Interferential Contrat DIC microscopy. Since in bright field it is appr 1.40 I am sure that because of the phase rings as well as the use of Wollaston prism in DIC, it must be much lower even using oil immersion objective.
Elka, We use it routinely in buffers used to make up solutions for immunolocalization on sections. I have never had a problem with percipitation from sodium azide.
Debby
Debby Sherman, Manager Phone: 765-494-6666 Life Science Microscopy Facility FAX: 765-494-5896 Purdue University E-mail: dsherman-at-purdue.edu S-052 Whistler Building 170 S. University Street West Lafayette, IN 47907 http://www3.agriculture.purdue.edu/microscopy
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One concern I have always heard was the formation of metal azide, especially lead azide. These explosive and unstable have been found in older metal plumbing. When I started as a QC chemist years ago, dilute concentrations of sodium azoide was used as a perservative in some test solutions used in clinical chemistry. One than one person got an unpleasent surprize when working with the older style lead drain pipes. I later wanted to use a test solution for sulfur which contained sodium azide, my management had fits. I never did use that test.
I don't want to creat an electron storm of words, but I will suggest you check out disposial method for your own safety.
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Question: Does anyone know if it is o.k. to use sodium azide with TEM preps? Does it wash out o.k. or will it leave a nasty deposit? Thanks
We are looking to hire an Associate Scientist in our Bioimaging Center. Although we place special emphasis on scanning probe microscopy, skills in other areas of microscopy would be highly desirable. Please see the job announcement below for additional details.
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The Institute functions as a partnership involving State government, the Delaware institutions of higher education, and area industry, and is housed in a new 72,000 ft2 state-of-the-art research facility. In addition to individual research laboratories, it houses several core facilities including a custom microarray center, a bioinformatics center and a bioimaging center. The bioimaging center provides an array of microscopy expertise and equipment, including conventional fluorescence, confocal, multiphoton, atomic force, laser microdissection, transmission and field emission scanning microscopes and ancillary sample preparation equipment.
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On Aug 5, 2005, at 5:36 PM, sdmegs09-at-yahoo.com wrote:
} Question: I am trying to fix plant material for EDS in the TEM and I } cannot find literature stating the fixation techniques. Is fixation } different for EDS? } Dear Meghan, The preparation methods for any sample on which you are doing EDS or other analytic techniques must take into account the elements you are trying to analyze, so, for example, if you are looking for water-soluble elements like Na or Cl ion, do not rinse the tissue in solvents that will remove them. Note, however, that if you are looking for Cl bound in organic compounds, such as polychlorinated biphenyls, washing out the ion will enable you to distinguish the organochlorine. For accurate quantitation, it is a good idea, if possible, to examine the material untreated, except for freezing and perhaps sectioning, then dehydrate by lyophylization in the scope and redo the analysis. This will give accurate values for volatile elements and you can improve the quantitation by taking the wet/dry ratios from elements that are not affected by the drying process. Another consideration, for the case that the elements of interest are not affected by your preparation process, is not to use a stain that interferes with lines from those elements. Pb and S are notorious for this, and one case I ran into was trying to analyze Pt and Ir in a specimen that was treated with Os and given to me. Since your specimens may not be suitable for observation in the TEM when not prepared in some way, and since you may not have access to cryopreparation methods, you need to keep in mind the general principles that, whatever the preparation steps, they cannot affect the concentration of the elements of interest, and cannot interfere with the lines you want to measure. Good luck. Yours, Bill Tivol, PhD EM Scientist and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626) 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
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A few weeks ago someone asked about a beam stop for a TEM.
Sopme time ago I designed a combination beam stop and Faraday cup for a JEOL 2010 TEM. It has been in use for several years now, and I understand has performed satisfactorily. If anyone is interested in making use of the design, contact me.
-- Wilbur C. Bigelow, Professor Emeritus Materials Sci. & Engr., Univ. of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2136 e-mail: bigelow-at-engin.umich.edu; Fx:734-763-4788; Ph:734-662-5237 Address mail to: 1136 Mixtwood Rd. Ann Arbor, MI 48103-3035
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Dr. Bigelow, I would love to have use of the design for our 2010. Also, do you think it could be altered to fit a 1200 EX-II?
-----Original Message----- X-from: bigelow-at-engin.umich.edu [mailto:bigelow-at-engin.umich.edu] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:58 AM To: jfb-at-uidaho.edu
A few weeks ago someone asked about a beam stop for a TEM.
Sopme time ago I designed a combination beam stop and Faraday cup for a JEOL 2010 TEM. It has been in use for several years now, and I understand has performed satisfactorily. If anyone is interested in making use of the design, contact me.
-- Wilbur C. Bigelow, Professor Emeritus Materials Sci. & Engr., Univ. of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2136 e-mail: bigelow-at-engin.umich.edu; Fx:734-763-4788; Ph:734-662-5237 Address mail to: 1136 Mixtwood Rd. Ann Arbor, MI 48103-3035
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A guy came into the lab today asking me to image and measure some holes in a silicon nitride wafer.
OK, I say, how big?
2 nm he says, some maybe up to 70 nm.
That's pretty small, I said. How did you plan on doing it?
Don't know, that's why I came to you, says he.
Here is what he's got. A chip about 1 mm thick with an FIB section out of it that is like an inverted pyramid into the chip. The pyramid doesn't go all the way through, but there is a thin area at the bottom that is supposed to have the tiny hole. The chip is opaque in the TEM, way too thick, the thin area is translucent at 80KV so we can sort of see where we are going.
We rigged up a special TEM holder so we could put the chip in the TEM, but searching for the FIB hole, then the tiny hole inside that took a while. Eventually I could see something that looked like a hole and it was about 100 nm across. He said that was OK, it was a test hole and should be about 100 nm.
Finding this 100 nm hole was no picnic and I anticipate finding and measuring a 2 nm hole to be harder. He wants to be able to pop one in and check the diameter and pop in another one.
Anyone with some bright ideas about how to help this guy? We brainstormed things like FESEM, AFM, some kind of diffraction with lasers, don't know if any of them will work, don't have any more ideas.
Thanks
Jon
Jonathan Krupp Microscopy & Imaging Lab University of California Santa Cruz, CA 95064 (831) 459-2477 jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu
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I've seen it as a constituent of a TEM fixative, so it shouldn't be a problem. But why bother?
Diana van Driel Dept Ophthalmology Sydney University GPO Box 4337 Sydney, NSW AUSTRALIA 2001
Phone 61 2 93827278 Mobile 0423 151614 FAX 61 2 93827318 } } } Email: elke.buschbeck-at-uc.edu } Name: Elke } } Organization: University of Cincinnati } } Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver:Sodium Azide and TEM } } Question: Does anyone know if it is o.k. to use sodium azide with TEM } preps? Does it wash out o.k. or will it leave a nasty deposit? } Thanks }
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Any idea if there will be a single hole per sample or multiple holes? Will you have any idea what the probable depth of the small hole will be (not including the thinning they are apparently doing to the substrate)? The hole's aspect ratio will have a lot to do with any analysis since a large ratio (small diameter hole, long bore) can make alignment with any imaging system a big problem.
This is probably a good time to jump in and see if they can't adjust their experiment a little. Too often researchers jump before they can walk, and assume that an existing method can provide whatever information they need, without providing any compliance to existing techniques. A thinner substrate would require less preliminary FIB thinning on their part and if it were thin enough, could allow you to determine and measure the presence of a hole even if the bore weren't perfectly aligned with the beam.
While they may be reluctant to discuss the work they are doing, details aren't really needed. It may be in their best interest to understand the hole formation process before extending it to such a thick substrate that requires multiple operations. Unfortunately, it may be up to you to point that out.
Allen R. Sampson, Owner Advanced Research Systems 317 North 4th. Street Saint Charles, Illinois 60174 phone (630) 513-7093 fax (630) 513-7092 email mailto:ars-at-sem.com web www.sem.com
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Hi George Did you ever get the schematics for the ISI 100B that you were looking for? Cheers Peter Earl Toronto
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We are planning to use sodium azide for the first time as we wish to store SEM samples for 3-4 months (rare samples available now for a student project in November). I have found that very occasionally something can grow in sodium cacodylate buffer. I think there are some fungi that like it :)
Dave
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I've seen it as a constituent of a TEM fixative, so it shouldn't be a problem. But why bother?
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1. Is my face red! Only yesterday I read that with the new listserver setup that hitting reply--intending to send mail to the person who originated the initial email only--in fact sends the reply to the whole listserver! Please disregard the email to Henderson. I'll try my best not to make that mistake again! I'm sorry.
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one can only wonder if these same people have time to do anything else beside criticize others. i have been on the receiving end of these diatribes. and yes people do need to get a life. john ps and yes i meant to send this to the whole listserver
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On 8/9/05 12:24 AM, "ars-at-sem.com" {ars-at-sem.com} wrote:
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Too often researchers jump before they can walk, and } assume that an existing method can provide whatever information they need, } without providing any compliance to existing techniques. A thinner } substrate would require less preliminary FIB thinning on their part and if } it were thin enough, could allow you to determine and measure the presence } of a hole even if the bore weren't perfectly aligned with the beam. } } While they may be reluctant to discuss the work they are doing, details } aren't really needed. It may be in their best interest to understand the } hole formation process before extending it to such a thick substrate that } requires multiple operations. Unfortunately, it may be up to you to point } that out. } } } Allen R. Sampson, Owner } Advanced Research Systems } 317 North 4th. Street } Saint Charles, Illinois 60174 } phone (630) 513-7093 fax (630) 513-7092 } email mailto:ars-at-sem.com web www.sem.com } } } On Monday, August 08, 2005 5:51 PM, jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu } [SMTP:jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu] wrote: } } } } } } } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } ---- } } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The Microscopy Society of } America } } To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- } http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } } On-Line Help http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } ---- } } } } Hi: } } } } A guy came into the lab today asking me to image and measure some holes } in } } a silicon nitride wafer. } } } } OK, I say, how big? } } } } 2 nm he says, some maybe up to 70 nm. } } } } That's pretty small, I said. How did you plan on doing it? } } } } Don't know, that's why I came to you, says he. } } } } Here is what he's got. A chip about 1 mm thick with an FIB section out of } } it that is like an inverted pyramid into the chip. The pyramid doesn't go } } all the way through, but there is a thin area at the bottom that is } } supposed to have the tiny hole. The chip is opaque in the TEM, way too } } thick, the thin area is translucent at 80KV so we can sort of see where } we } } are going. } } } } We rigged up a special TEM holder so we could put the chip in the TEM, } but } } searching for the FIB hole, then the tiny hole inside that took a while. } } Eventually I could see something that looked like a hole and it was about } } 100 nm across. He said that was OK, it was a test hole and should be } about } } 100 nm. } } } } Finding this 100 nm hole was no picnic and I anticipate finding and } } measuring a 2 nm hole to be harder. He wants to be able to pop one in and } } check the diameter and pop in another one. } } } } Anyone with some bright ideas about how to help this guy? We brainstormed } } things like FESEM, AFM, some kind of diffraction with lasers, don't know } if } } any of them will work, don't have any more ideas. } } } } Thanks } } } } Jon } } } } Jonathan Krupp } } Microscopy & Imaging Lab } } University of California } } Santa Cruz, CA 95064 } } (831) 459-2477 } } jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu } } } } } } } } ==============================Original } Headers============================== } } 15, 17 -- From jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu Mon Aug 8 17:48:38 2005 } } 15, 17 -- Received: from cats-mx4.ucsc.edu (cats-mx4.ucsc.edu } [128.114.125.37]) } } 15, 17 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id } j78MmbnO030653 } } 15, 17 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:48:37 } -0500 } } 15, 17 -- Received: from [128.114.25.142] (dhcp-25-142.ucsc.edu } [128.114.25.142]) } } 15, 17 -- by cats-mx4.ucsc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id } j78Mm0sN023490 } } 15, 17 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:48:07 } -0700 (PDT) } } 15, 17 -- X-Sender: jmkrupp-at-cruzmail.ucsc.edu } } 15, 17 -- Message-Id: {v01550101bf1d8e1b6030-at-[128.114.25.142]} } } 15, 17 -- Mime-Version: 1.0 } } 15, 17 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" } } 15, 17 -- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:46:47 -0700 } } 15, 17 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } } 15, 17 -- From: jmkrupp-at-cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Krupp) } } 15, 17 -- Subject: Looking for tiny holes } } 15, 17 -- X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean } } 15, 17 -- X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: } } ==============================End of - } Headers============================== } } } } ==============================Original Headers============================== } 7, 20 -- From ars-at-sem.com Tue Aug 9 00:20:36 2005 } 7, 20 -- Received: from mail.sem.com ([66.167.158.194]) } 7, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j795KZ4j018177 } 7, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:20:36 -0500 } 7, 20 -- Received: from VaioD (mars.sem.com [66.73.253.98]) } 7, 20 -- by mail.sem.com (8.13.1/8.12.6) with SMTP id j795RG9M019050 } 7, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:27:18 -0500 } (CDT) } 7, 20 -- (envelope-from ars-at-sem.com) } 7, 20 -- Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:20:30 } -0500 } 7, 20 -- Message-ID: {01C59C78.2642FCA0.ars-at-sem.com} } 7, 20 -- From: "Allen R. Sampson" {ars-at-sem.com} } 7, 20 -- Reply-To: "ars-at-sem.com" {ars-at-sem.com} } 7, 20 -- To: "'microscopy-at-microscopy.com'" {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} } 7, 20 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] Looking for tiny holes } 7, 20 -- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:20:29 -0500 } 7, 20 -- Organization: Advanced Research Systems } 7, 20 -- X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 } 7, 20 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 } 7, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" } 7, 20 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit } ==============================End of - Headers============================== } } } The thickness at a hole depends upon whether a precipitate fell out, which leaves a thicker region around a hole. If a hole is formed by electropolishing an annealled sample of a pure metal, or even some alloys, the area around the hole may be very thin. 20 to 50 nanometers might be typical thicknesses achieved. Bernie Kestel Argonne National Lab E-mail: kestel-at-anl.gov
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Sandy, I saw that yesterday. I guess things are working out for Scott, if his lab is growing. That's good. Lee -- Leona Cohen-Gould, M.S. Sr. Staff Associate Director, Electron Microscopy & Histology Core Facility Manager, Optical Microscopy Core Facility Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College of Cornell University voice (212)746-6146 fax (212)746-8175
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I believe I have plugged the loop-hole that allowed the Housing for Sale Email to get through the system earlier today. It was a unique situation to say the least, but then again they are all getting this way.
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Sodium azide should be used very carefully. It has been used as a biological preservative for a long time. In 1968 I was working in a CDC lab in Phoenix (Yes, there was a CDC branch there at that time) where we used sodium azide to preserve hepatitis antigens. One of the technicians was using an aspiration tube attached to a pipette to transfer sodium azide solution to an antigen preparation. She coughed and sucked the solution into her lungs. She was on the floor gasping for breath within 15 seconds. There was an MD sitting in his office next to the technician's lab. He heard her fall to the floor. He new what she was doing and determined what had happened. He had what he called a "universal antitdote" in his office. He administered the antidote and gave her mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and she survived.
I know (I hope!!) people don't use aspiration tubes today but this incident sure brought home to me how how quickly sodium azide works. You may want to look at the following CDC URL: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sodiumazide/basics/facts.asp Although this article states that there is no specific antidote for sodium azide poisoning, in the incident I related above, an antidote was given. I don't remember what it was.
} ---------- } From: dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au } Reply To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } Sent: Monday, August 8, 2005 6:11 PM } To: John Wheatley } Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM } } } } } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The Microscopy Society of America } To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } On-Line Help http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } } I've seen it as a constituent of a TEM fixative, so it shouldn't be a } problem. But why bother? } } } Diana van Driel } Dept Ophthalmology } Sydney University } GPO Box 4337 } Sydney, NSW } AUSTRALIA 2001 } } Phone 61 2 93827278 } Mobile 0423 151614 } FAX 61 2 93827318 } } } } } } Email: elke.buschbeck-at-uc.edu } } Name: Elke } } } } Organization: University of Cincinnati } } } } Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver:Sodium Azide and TEM } } } } Question: Does anyone know if it is o.k. to use sodium azide with TEM } } preps? Does it wash out o.k. or will it leave a nasty deposit? } } Thanks } } } } } ==============================Original Headers============================== } 5, 20 -- From dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au Mon Aug 8 20:09:11 2005 } 5, 20 -- Received: from galen.med.usyd.edu.au (machaon.med.usyd.edu.au } [129.78.36.30]) } 5, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id } j79199wx007449 } 5, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:09:10 } -0500 } 5, 20 -- Received: from [129.78.203.144] (helo=[129.78.203.144]) } 5, 20 -- by galen.med.usyd.edu.au with esmtp (Exim 4.50) } 5, 20 -- id 1E2IZo-0007fs-NF } 5, 20 -- for microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:06:45 +1000 } 5, 20 -- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) } 5, 20 -- In-Reply-To: {200508081150.j78BofA4010977-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 20 -- References: {200508081150.j78BofA4010977-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed } 5, 20 -- Message-Id: {94e2ffe401ec51fabf3cf60cabdabb37-at-eye.usyd.edu.au} } 5, 20 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit } 5, 20 -- From: Diana van Driel {dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au} } 5, 20 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] Re: viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM } 5, 20 -- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:09:04 +1000 } 5, 20 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 5, 20 -- X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) } 5, 20 -- X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) } ==============================End of - Headers============================== } }
==============================Original Headers============================== 7, 26 -- From JOHN.WHEATLEY-at-asu.edu Tue Aug 9 12:32:58 2005 7, 26 -- Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.120]) 7, 26 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j79HWw7i011630 7, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:32:58 -0500 7, 26 -- Received: from conversion.post5.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) 7, 26 -- id {0IKY00901TYE3K-at-asu.edu} for microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 7, 26 -- 09 Aug 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) 7, 26 -- Received: from EX01.asurite.ad.asu.edu 7, 26 -- (excl0-a0.asurite.ad.asu.edu [129.219.12.196]) 7, 26 -- by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) with ESMTP id {0IKY00814TYEEN-at-asu.edu} for 7, 26 -- microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) 7, 26 -- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:30:15 -0700 7, 26 -- From: John Wheatley {JOHN.WHEATLEY-at-asu.edu} 7, 26 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM 7, 26 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com 7, 26 -- Message-id: {18050B668B2B784DB0A083D65ED5287F234AED-at-EX01.asurite.ad.asu.edu} 7, 26 -- MIME-version: 1.0 7, 26 -- X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 7, 26 -- Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 7, 26 -- Thread-Topic: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM 7, 26 -- Thread-Index: AcWcfzlE88HE1ZEYRwyqpPBNHX4zswAShJKO 7, 26 -- Content-class: urn:content-classes:message 7, 26 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: 7, 26 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 7, 26 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 7, 26 -- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.microscopy.com id j79HWw7i011630 ==============================End of - Headers==============================
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Sodium azide should be used very carefully. It has been used as a biological preservative for a long time. In 1968 I was working in a CDC lab in Phoenix (Yes, there was a CDC branch there at that time) where we used sodium azide to preserve hepatitis antigens. One of the technicians was using an aspiration tube attached to a pipette to transfer sodium azide solution to an antigen preparation. She coughed and sucked the solution into her lungs. She was on the floor gasping for breath within 15 seconds. There was an MD sitting in his office next to the technician's lab. He heard her fall to the floor. He new what she was doing and determined what had happened. He had what he called a "universal antitdote" in his office. He administered the antidote and gave her mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and she survived.
I know (I hope!!) people don't use aspiration tubes today but this incident sure brought home to me how how quickly sodium azide works. You may want to look at the following CDC URL: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sodiumazide/basics/facts.asp Although this article states that there is no specific antidote for sodium azide poisoning, in the incident I related above, an antidote was given. I don't remember what it was.
} ---------- } From: dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au } Reply To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } Sent: Monday, August 8, 2005 6:11 PM } To: John Wheatley } Subject: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM } } } } } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } The Microscopy ListServer -- CoSponsor: The Microscopy Society of America } To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver } On-Line Help http://www.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- } } I've seen it as a constituent of a TEM fixative, so it shouldn't be a } problem. But why bother? } } } Diana van Driel } Dept Ophthalmology } Sydney University } GPO Box 4337 } Sydney, NSW } AUSTRALIA 2001 } } Phone 61 2 93827278 } Mobile 0423 151614 } FAX 61 2 93827318 } } } } } } Email: elke.buschbeck-at-uc.edu } } Name: Elke } } } } Organization: University of Cincinnati } } } } Title-Subject: [Filtered] MListserver:Sodium Azide and TEM } } } } Question: Does anyone know if it is o.k. to use sodium azide with TEM } } preps? Does it wash out o.k. or will it leave a nasty deposit? } } Thanks } } } } } ==============================Original } Headers============================== } 5, 20 -- From dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au Mon Aug 8 20:09:11 2005 } 5, 20 -- Received: from galen.med.usyd.edu.au } (machaon.med.usyd.edu.au [129.78.36.30]) } 5, 20 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id } j79199wx007449 } 5, 20 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:09:10 } -0500 } 5, 20 -- Received: from [129.78.203.144] (helo=[129.78.203.144]) } 5, 20 -- by galen.med.usyd.edu.au with esmtp (Exim 4.50) } 5, 20 -- id 1E2IZo-0007fs-NF } 5, 20 -- for microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:06:45 +1000 } 5, 20 -- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) } 5, 20 -- In-Reply-To: {200508081150.j78BofA4010977-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 20 -- References: {200508081150.j78BofA4010977-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 20 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed } 5, 20 -- Message-Id: {94e2ffe401ec51fabf3cf60cabdabb37-at-eye.usyd.edu.au} } 5, 20 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit } 5, 20 -- From: Diana van Driel {dianavd-at-eye.usyd.edu.au} } 5, 20 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] Re: viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM } 5, 20 -- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:09:04 +1000 } 5, 20 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 5, 20 -- X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) } 5, 20 -- X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) } ==============================End of - } Headers============================== } }
==============================Original Headers============================== 7, 26 -- From JOHN.WHEATLEY-at-asu.edu Tue Aug 9 12:32:58 2005 7, 26 -- Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.120]) 7, 26 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j79HWw7i011630 7, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:32:58 -0500 7, 26 -- Received: from conversion.post5.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) 7, 26 -- id {0IKY00901TYE3K-at-asu.edu} for microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 7, 26 -- 09 Aug 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) 7, 26 -- Received: from EX01.asurite.ad.asu.edu 7, 26 -- (excl0-a0.asurite.ad.asu.edu [129.219.12.196]) 7, 26 -- by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) with ESMTP id {0IKY00814TYEEN-at-asu.edu} for 7, 26 -- microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) 7, 26 -- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:30:15 -0700 7, 26 -- From: John Wheatley {JOHN.WHEATLEY-at-asu.edu} 7, 26 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM 7, 26 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com 7, 26 -- Message-id: {18050B668B2B784DB0A083D65ED5287F234AED-at-EX01.asurite.ad.asu.edu} 7, 26 -- MIME-version: 1.0 7, 26 -- X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 7, 26 -- Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 7, 26 -- Thread-Topic: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Sodium Azide and TEM 7, 26 -- Thread-Index: AcWcfzlE88HE1ZEYRwyqpPBNHX4zswAShJKO 7, 26 -- Content-class: urn:content-classes:message 7, 26 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: 7, 26 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 7, 26 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 7, 26 -- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.microscopy.com id j79HWw7i011630 ==============================End of - Headers==============================
We use a standard SEM to work with nanometer-scale features (~50 nm) in silicon nitride. You might consider using electron diffraction. If using a 10 keV beam, (wavelength of .12 angstroms), a circular aperture with a diameter of 2 nm would create a circular diffraction pattern (described by an Airy disk). With these parameters, the radius of the first zero is given by R = 0.007*(distance from the aperture).
Dunno much about TEM and standard detectors used, but if you have an electron detector with a spatial resolution of 10 microns placed 1 cm below the sample, you would be able to resolve the central diffraction order (thereby measuring the hole diameter). To do this, you'd turn off the scanning mechanism for the microscope, and you'd want to focus quite a bit beyond the hole itself (to ensure the electron wavefronts extend across the diameter of the hole.
Anyway, I'm sure there are more straightforward solutions, but this is just an idea. We do similar stuff all the time.
-- Ben McMorran Research Assistant, Atom Optics Group Department of Physics University of Arizona 1118 E 4th St Tucson, AZ USA
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==============================Original Headers============================== 9, 27 -- From mcmorran-at-physics.arizona.edu Tue Aug 9 14:30:30 2005 9, 27 -- Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) 9, 27 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j79JUUdt020822 9, 27 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:30:30 -0500 9, 27 -- Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) 9, 27 -- by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F662AFBD61 9, 27 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:30 -0700 (MST) 9, 27 -- Received: from localhost (wandlimb.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.214]) 9, 27 -- by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F664AE062C 9, 27 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:28 -0700 (MST) 9, 27 -- Received: from 70-58-50-189.tcsn.qwest.net (70-58-50-189.tcsn.qwest.net 9, 27 -- [70.58.50.189]) by www.email.arizona.edu (Horde) with HTTP for 9, 27 -- {mcmorran-at-email.arizona.edu} ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:28 -0700 9, 27 -- Message-ID: {20050809123028.d8g04owccc4o8s4s-at-www.email.arizona.edu} 9, 27 -- X-Priority: 3 (Normal) 9, 27 -- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:28 -0700 9, 27 -- From: Ben McMorran {mcmorran-at-physics.arizona.edu} 9, 27 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com 9, 27 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] Looking for tiny holes 9, 27 -- References: {200508082252.j78Mqbvg003193-at-ns.microscopy.com} 9, 27 -- In-Reply-To: {200508082252.j78Mqbvg003193-at-ns.microscopy.com} 9, 27 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 9, 27 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" 9, 27 -- Content-Disposition: inline 9, 27 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9, 27 -- User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs 9, 27 -- X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu ==============================End of - Headers==============================
I didn't see that you got a response on this, so I thought that I would do so.
I built a FIM/IAP for my dissertation work back in the early to mid 80's. Mine was made using UHV stainless steel components. I was familiar with most of the people in the field at that time and didn't know anyone that was still putting together glass systems. I think that it has been a long time since people have been using glass systems for FIM. When they were, mostly they had their systems custom made by their in-house glass blowers.
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Title-Subject: [Filtered] Field Ion Microscope
Question: Hi all,
I would like to know from who can I buy the glassware to do field ion microscopy.
I am looking for a quartz ware that can do the job. Preferably one that allows me to fit onto a NW40 joint.
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Email: montiorm-at-ucmail.uc.edu Name: Richard Montione
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Title-Subject: [Filtered] TCS 4D available
Question: RE: TCS 4D
To anyone interested,
I have a Leica TCS 4D confocal system originally installed in 1994. It has a Kr/Ar laser and a water cooled UV laser, with a Leitz DMRBE upright microscope and a number of lenses. It has the usual problems associated with age but was still functional when it was disassembled for storage.
If anyone is interested and would like more information please contact me at montiorm-at-uc.edu
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Email: msimms-at-tracelabs.com Name: Michael Simms
Organization: Trace Laboratories - Central
Title-Subject: [Filtered] Measurement of ink depth/contrast
Question: Hello Gentlemen, I work for an independent testing organization, Trace Laboratories - Central. We have been asked to have printing ink measured for depth and contrast. Laser printing is done on the insulation sleeve of a cable. per Sikorsky specification SS7333, Paragraph 4.6.5 This asks for measuring to an accuracy of 0.0001 inch with a contour projector or calibrated microscope or Zygo measuring device. The contrast measurement is suggested to be made with a Spectrum Technology CMS^2 Contrast Measuring System. I would need evidence of either an accredited laboratory or calibration to pass on to the customer.
Is this something that someone associated with this resource might be able to quote?
Regards, Mike
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Question: Dear members, I am looking urgently for a user manual and if possible a service manual or the electronic layout for the Reichert Histostat Paraffin Embedder Modell 8035.
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Question: I have processed Drosophila eyes for immunolabelling (EM) using the Tokuyasu technique and the results are, to say the least, very disappointing. The eyes floated in the fixative which didn't help matters. The problem looks to be spacial when I compare the results to standard resin TEM preparation. Maybe there is some problem with buffers, fixation or section expansion. Does anyone have experience of these tough little beasties?
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I'm not too familiar with these despite the fact I have two of them gathering dust. But I have heard them disfavorably compared to the S200. Mine may be site-rigged for handling semi wafers (and there's a chance both came from the same facility, at different times... a hunch) but in mine the stage uses little more substantial than pvc tubing to transmit the z-axis knob to the stage: horrible hysteresis.
I suspect these and related scopes were enormously popular, and I know for a fact this 'scope has die-hard fans.
LaB6 is typical but it wouldn't surprise me if there was an active aftermarket upgrade to FE: indeed one of mine may have one. On the other hand, you may have missed the bulk of the aftermarket boat by about 5 years: lots of parts for old scopes falling off of price lists.... but sometimes onto "clearance" lists :)
But I'd say even if your own scope leaves a lot to be desired, trading it for another old scope like this? I'd say deosn't quite make sense unless you have a special requirement. Ultimately, it just may not be worth the shipping: which of course is dicey unless there's at least a few hours teardown and re-assembly. Better the devil you know.
I hope more people respond, I've been back and forth as to whether to try to get one or both of mine working for about 6 years now :)
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Question: I don't have experience with osmium compounds, and my suggestion may not be very practical (read: expensive) unless you have piles of vacuum fittings lying around like I do, but on occasion when wanting to "absolutely" seal something up I've used a KF50 stainless nipple (or bellows, sometimes)of appropriate length, a pair of stainless blanks, clamps, o-rings etc. so that the item could be sealed "vacuum tight". Of course it's all relative but I wouldn't think much vapour will diffuse though the ~5mm of highly compressed Viton. The clamps are a bit clumsy to put on but very quick to come off: I'm not sure you can get a quick-release clamp in KF50 but that would make it almost one-handed. You could probably save money and thru-gassing by having a single-ended arrangment, ie: a pipe section with a KF50 flange welded on one end and a cap welded on the other. Some (if not most) of the hi-vac houses weld their standard catalog items on-site, and some don't charge much extra (~%20 premium) for custom items from stock parts.
I think the idea of absorbants/reactants holds a lot of potential. Activated charcoal comes immediately to mind. Is it so reactive as to present a fire hazard if quickly adsorbed onto the huge surface area?
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Email: omelon-at-geology.utoronto.ca Name: Christopher R. Omelon
Organization: University of Toronto
Title-Subject: [Filtered] further hardening of LR White
Question: I have tried embedding large samples (~ 1cm3) of porous rock material in a variety of resins and find that LR White (Hard) provides the best infilling due to its low viscosity. That being said, the blocks are not as hard as when using epoxide resins such as EMBED 812. I am cold-curing (i.e. with accelerator) at both room temperature and at 4?C with mixed results, but even in the best case the blocks are not as hard as I would expect. My question: can I further harden the blocks by now placing these samples in the oven at 60?C? My reasoning is that resin within the block (i.e. beneath the surface and therefore not exposed to oxygen) will proceed with polymerization at a faster rate than if I left the blocks at room temperature. Or is the reaction now at completion? Thanks
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Question: We have bags of Kodak Dektol. Does anyone know if I can use this to develop Kodak Em film 4489? At what dilution, for how long? Thanks for any help.
We have just had an ergonomist look at our Hitachi S4100 set up as the primary user is beginning to have some problems which could get very nasty as time goes on.
Has anyone out there had similar issues? And if so, what issues were felt to be critical and what solutions were offered?
One of the biggest issues (according to the ergonomist) is the position of the screens. They are CRT's embedded in a console and as such can't be moved. Has anyone tried to take the video signals from one of these systems (or similar) and put them onto a LCD monitor? If so, how was it done and how successful was it? (these screens are also beginning to lose their intensity which isn't helping!)
Another issue is the arrangement of the console and column. The ergonomist feels that they would be better at 90 degrees to each other but the cable length between the column and console prevents that. Has anyone tried to lengthen these cables (some go to the HV tank)?
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Since I'm the Manager for the Educational Division I have to put my 2 cents in.....
NEVER buy a microscope just because it is affordable. I always suggest getting in a local dealer who can provide you with a demonstration AND be there after the sale in case you need service.
There are many "off brand" microscopes out there that are a good way to through away money. I have been in many labs where whole sets of microscopes are on the shell because one or two starting smoking and the lab manager was afraid to use them. I have also tried servicing some of these off brands and the materials used and the machining makes them good ship achors :-)
For your own best interest, call a local dealer and get a demonstration - it's also good to ask for references from people who have used the microscope you are looking to buy. Remember the saying "you get what you pay for". Bad quality microscopes will prevent you from being able show the students what you are trying to teach.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
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Question: Hi to all,
i am trying to buy the most afforable microscopy, but that will be able to help me with biology and chemistry.
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We have an Hitachi S-4000 which I believe is very similar to the S-4100. We have encountered both of this issues and have addressed them as follows:
We attempted to turn the column cabinet in order to enable users better access to the manual stage controls. As you observed the cable length is insufficient to accomplish more than 20 -30 degree of rotation. We also determined that turning the column introduced a new problem...it became difficult to introduce a sample into the SEC port (which is our primary sample entry port). Our solution was to purchase a motorized stage. While this was a costly upgrade, it was money well spent. The 5 axis stage we purchased from a company called E.Fjeld(http://www.efjeld.com/P_5500.htm)has performed much better that anticipated. As expected wear and tear on the user is dramatically improved! In addition the stage motion is much more precise and backlash is nonexistent.
On the S-4000 there was a simple solution to adding a high resolution CRT type monitor. A BNC port accessing the display crt already existed. If you open the back lower console panel you should see two BNC ports in the upper middle region (ours are unlabelled). We connected a cable from the left port to the B & W monitor. If you have schematics for the system you should be able to determine if this port exist on your system. Unfortunately I don't know much about LCD monitors and their cabling options so this could be an issue when selecting a monitor. However, we have been satisfied with the B & W CRT. Also, we haven't noticed any adverse field effects while the CRT monitor is in use.
While not addressed in your post a third area relating to ergonomics was addressed by elimination of the Polaroid camera system. We purchased a passive acquisition system from PCI Quartz(http://www.qrtz.com/acquisition.html) which allows us to capture digital images.
While the upgrades were costly they have improved the user interface, increased productivity, and added to the useful lifetime of the instrument. The system is 16+ years old and continues to produce quality results in a digital environment. I'm not sure how much, if any, of this information is helpful or relevant? However, if you have any question please feel free to contact me directly. Good luck, jr.
Disclaimer: These are my opinions only and do not reflect those of my employer. While I am a satisfied customer I have no financial ties to any of these manufacturers. All of the upgrades mentioned are available from multiple vendors and it is suggest that you investigate all options prior to making any purchases for your system.
John A. Robson Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc. PO Box 368 900 Ridgebury Rd Ridgefield, CT 06877
That's an easy one.....no! Dektol is for developing photo paper, not film. Take it from someone who did this by mistake once and got negatives with grain the size of gravel and films so thick you could use them to view eclipses. It just might be possible with enough testing and fooling to get negatives you could actually see through, but the quality would be pretty awful anyway.
If you don't make prints anymore, donate your Dektol to your local photography classes.
Good luck, Randy
Randy Tindall EM Specialist Electron Microscopy Core Facility---We Do Small Well! W122 Veterinary Medicine University of Missouri Columbia, MO 65211 Tel: (573) 882-8304 Fax: (573) 884-2227 Email: tindallr-at-missouri.edu Web: http://www.emc.missouri.edu
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Question: We have bags of Kodak Dektol. Does anyone know if I can use this to develop Kodak Em film 4489? At what dilution, for how long? Thanks for any help.
Hello All, Can anyone advise this new user to our lab? His prep/questions are below. I think that he needs negative staining. How best to prep this sample?/fixation/washing out the sucrose?? and what type of filmed grids are being used these days??Formvar/Pioloform??other??
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Basically what I have is a 100nm virus particle bound to a 100nm liposome molecule by a Nickel NTA "bridge". In short, I would like a picture of this complex. So, If I had this complex (usually in ~10-20%sucrose solution), what would I do from there as far a preparation?
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Linda M. Fox Loyola University Stritch School of Medicine Core Imaging Facility 2160 S. First Ave. Maywood, Il 60153 Bld. 102 Room 0617 1-708-216-3395 lfox1-at-lumc.edu
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Ron has been trying to get me to rejoin MT, so ... This would make an excellent article, would you be willing to write it up for MT? Note, we'd also like articles on cryoTEM and tomography.
Phil
} On Aug 5, 2005, at 5:36 PM, sdmegs09-at-yahoo.com wrote: } } } Question: I am trying to fix plant material for EDS in the TEM and I } } cannot find literature stating the fixation techniques. Is fixation } } different for EDS? } } } Dear Meghan, } The preparation methods for any sample on which you are doing EDS or } other analytic techniques must take into account the elements you are } trying to analyze, so, for example, if you are looking for } water-soluble elements like Na or Cl ion, do not rinse the tissue in } solvents that will remove them. Note, however, that if you are looking } for Cl bound in organic compounds, such as polychlorinated biphenyls, } washing out the ion will enable you to distinguish the organochlorine. } For accurate quantitation, it is a good idea, if possible, to examine } the material untreated, except for freezing and perhaps sectioning, } then dehydrate by lyophylization in the scope and redo the analysis. } This will give accurate values for volatile elements and you can } improve the quantitation by taking the wet/dry ratios from elements } that are not affected by the drying process. Another consideration, } for the case that the elements of interest are not affected by your } preparation process, is not to use a stain that interferes with lines } from those elements. Pb and S are notorious for this, and one case I } ran into was trying to analyze Pt and Ir in a specimen that was treated } with Os and given to me. Since your specimens may not be suitable for } observation in the TEM when not prepared in some way, and since you may } not have access to cryopreparation methods, you need to keep in mind } the general principles that, whatever the preparation steps, they } cannot affect the concentration of the elements of interest, and cannot } interfere with the lines you want to measure. Good luck. } Yours, } Bill Tivol, PhD } EM Scientist and Manager } Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility } Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96 } California Institute of Technology } Pasadena CA 91125 } (626) 395-8833 } tivol-at-caltech.edu } } } } ==============================Original Headers============================== } 5, 26 -- From tivol-at-caltech.edu Mon Aug 8 12:47:26 2005 } 5, 26 -- Received: from outgoing-mail.its.caltech.edu } (outgoing-mail.its.caltech.edu [131.215.239.19]) } 5, 26 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id } j78HlPCZ028496 } 5, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:47:25 -0500 } 5, 26 -- Received: from wood-dog (wood-dog [192.168.1.7]) } 5, 26 -- by earth-ox-postvirus (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F11E109AEE } 5, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 } 10:47:25 -0700 (PDT) } 5, 26 -- Received: from earth-ox ([192.168.1.9]) } 5, 26 -- by wood-dog (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; } 5, 26 -- Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) } 5, 26 -- Received: from [192.168.157.234] (pix-1.caltech.edu [131.215.2.21]) } 5, 26 -- by earth-ox.its.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CC5109AEE } 5, 26 -- for {microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 } 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) } 5, 26 -- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) } 5, 26 -- In-Reply-To: {200508060036.j760a2bA008211-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 26 -- References: {200508060036.j760a2bA008211-at-ns.microscopy.com} } 5, 26 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed } 5, 26 -- Message-Id: {19a7ad544101ea1904b6448724203a04-at-caltech.edu} } 5, 26 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit } 5, 26 -- From: Bill Tivol {tivol-at-caltech.edu} } 5, 26 -- Subject: Re: [Microscopy] viaWWW: Energy dispersive } spectroscopy fixation } 5, 26 -- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:48:48 -0700 } 5, 26 -- To: microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 5, 26 -- X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) } 5, 26 -- X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-100000.0 required=5.0 } 5, 26 -- X-Spam-Level: } ==============================End of - Headers==============================
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Has anyone used a low melting point (LMP) agarose to encapsulate cells for TEM? If yes, which resin is best suited for LMP agarose encapsulted cells? We have in the lab Durcupan ACM resin, EMbed-812, LRW resin kits.
The samples were encapsulated after buffer wash, after osmium fixation.
Thank you,
Claire
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We use Agarose type IX (Sigma). It works well with Spurrs and Araldite (from TAAB in the UK). This summer I have had a problem infiltrating cells in agarose with LR White (polymerising at 55 degrees C) despite success in two previous years. This is probably a problem with me rather than the products.
Dave
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Dear Listers,
Has anyone used a low melting point (LMP) agarose to encapsulate cells for TEM? If yes, which resin is best suited for LMP agarose encapsulted cells? We have in the lab Durcupan ACM resin, EMbed-812, LRW resin kits.
The samples were encapsulated after buffer wash, after osmium fixation.
Thank you,
Claire
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==============================Original Headers============================== 18, 30 -- From David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk Wed Aug 10 10:45:23 2005 18, 30 -- Received: from mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk (mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk [164.11.132.63]) 18, 30 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id j7AFjMEx003417 18, 30 -- for {Microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:45:23 -0500 18, 30 -- Received: from (164.11.132.62) by mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk via smtp 18, 30 -- id 5719_259766c8_09b6_11da_859b_0002b3c90020; 18, 30 -- Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:48:07 +0100 (BST) 18, 30 -- Received: from egen-uwe01.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk 18, 30 -- (egen-uwe01.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk [164.11.249.121]) 18, 30 -- by mta02.uwe.ac.uk (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.07 (built Jun 24 18, 30 -- 2005)) with ESMTP id {0IL000DNXJRJG0-at-mta02.uwe.ac.uk} for 18, 30 -- Microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:45:19 +0100 (BST) 18, 30 -- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:45:21 +0100 18, 30 -- From: David Patton {David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk} 18, 30 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] TEM of agar encapsulated sample 18, 30 -- To: lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com 18, 30 -- Cc: Microscopy-at-microscopy.com 18, 30 -- Message-id: {F247F674896BE243AD8263C5280E2BDBF84BBB-at-NBUEGEN01} 18, 30 -- MIME-version: 1.0 18, 30 -- X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 18, 30 -- Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 18, 30 -- Content-class: urn:content-classes:message 18, 30 -- Thread-topic: [Microscopy] TEM of agar encapsulated sample 18, 30 -- Thread-index: AcWdv+Jn8uEacgL8SY2jTLeJv8vjSwAAeMUg 18, 30 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: 18, 30 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 18, 30 -- X-NAIMIME-Disclaimer: 1 18, 30 -- X-NAIMIME-Modified: 1 18, 30 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 18, 30 -- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.microscopy.com id j7AFjMEx003417 ==============================End of - Headers==============================
We have a group of labs that are attempting to standardize an Osmium- ZnI2 staining procedure for detection of chloride cells in trout gills.
The protocol seems foolproof: immerse freshly dissected gill pieces in a freshly- made solution of 1 part 2% OsO4 to 4 parts 3% ZnI2 for 24 at 4ÚC, dehydrate, clear in Histochoice, paraffin-embed, section, de- paraffinize and mount in Cytoseal60-xyl. There seems to be no consistency in results. In fact, more often or not we see no staining of the chloride cells, though the gill filaments themselves display the rich tan colour of well-osmicated tissue.
Does anyone have experience with this technique? What can cause it to fail? Is age/source of reagents an important factor? Are there any tricks to making the procedure reliable?
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On Aug 10, 2005, at 6:30 AM, lfox1-at-lumc.edu wrote:
} Can anyone advise this new user to our lab? His prep/questions are } below. I think that he needs negative staining. How best to prep this } sample?/fixation/washing out the sucrose?? and what type of filmed } grids are being used these days??Formvar/Pioloform??other?? } } ----------------------- } } Basically what I have is a 100nm virus particle bound to a 100nm } liposome molecule by a Nickel NTA "bridge". In short, I would like a } picture of this complex. So, If I had this complex (usually in } ~10-20%sucrose solution), what would I do from there as far a } preparation? } Dear Linda, If the specimen would not be perturbed by removal of the sucrose, either of the techniques of negative staining or cryoEM would be improved, and for negative staining with UAc, the buffer should not contain phosphate. It would be best if the specimen could be in a dilute buffer, either tris or a Good buffer would be suitable. I would use carbon-formvar coated grids for negative staining and either lacy carbon or, better, Quantifoils for cryo imaging. Depending on the resolution desired, the tolerance of the specimen for low pH, the equipment available, etc., the easiest procedure (and the one that I would start with) is negative staining with UAc, which is at pH = ~3, or phosphotungstate or phosphomolybdate, which are at pH = ~7. After getting the specimen into the appropriate buffer, put 5 ul of the appropriately diluted material onto a glow-discharged carbon-formvar grid. Add 5 ul of a 2% solution of the staining compound, and let stand for 1 min. Blot most of the liquid off with a bit of #1 filter paper applied to the edge of the grid, add 10 ul of a 1% solution of stain, let stand for 1 min, then thoroughly blot off the liquid. After seeing whether the dilution of the specimen gives a good amount of material on the grid--enough to see several particles in each (film or CCD) frame--adjust the concentration if necessary. If cryoEM will be useful, prepare the specimen at a concentration of about twice that used for negative staining, and plunge-freeze it. Yours, Bill Tivol, PhD EM Scientist and Manager Cryo-Electron Microscopy Facility Broad Center, Mail Code 114-96 California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA 91125 (626) 395-8833 tivol-at-caltech.edu
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Claire, Note that low melting point agarose (and probably all types) is nicely stained by fast green. We would make a few percent solution in 100% ethanol and add a drop to our agarose blobs. Otherwise, they can vanish in the solutions and lead to some frustrations. I suppose fast green would also dissolve in acetone but I don't know that for a fact. However, now we trap small samples between formvar films on wire loops and like that much better than agarose (except on the days when the formvar won't cast, 8-().
HTH, Tobias } } } We use Agarose type IX (Sigma). It works well with Spurrs and Araldite } (from TAAB in the UK). This summer I have had a problem infiltrating } cells in agarose with LR White (polymerising at 55 degrees C) despite } success in two previous years. This is probably a problem with me } rather than the products. } } Dave } } -----Original Message----- } X-from: lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com [mailto:lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com] } Sent: 10 August 2005 16:26 } To: David Patton } Subject: [Microscopy] TEM of agar encapsulated sample } } } ---------------- } ---- } } Dear Listers, } } Has anyone used a low melting point (LMP) agarose to } encapsulate cells for TEM? If yes, which resin is } best suited for LMP agarose encapsulted cells? We } have in the lab Durcupan ACM resin, EMbed-812, LRW } resin kits. } } The samples were encapsulated after buffer wash, after } osmium fixation. } } Thank you, } } Claire } } __________________________________________________ } Do You Yahoo!? } Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around } http://mail.yahoo.com } } ==============================Original } Headers============================== } 6, 18 -- From lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 10:25:08 2005 } 6, 18 -- Received: from web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com } (web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.226]) } 6, 18 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id } j7AFP8TS027963 } 6, 18 -- for {Microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 } 10:25:08 -0500 } 6, 18 -- Received: (qmail 54964 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 } 15:25:07 -0000 } 6, 18 -- DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; } 6, 18 -- s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; } 6, 18 -- } h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Con } tent-Transfer-Encoding; } 6, 18 -- } b=efeHhsr2Z2oYV7F/TLrdiCBgBCWpZ5ALU6DjTIcAnVZnrKxmpRAe+qyHcciwXjZJUSA11T } Zf9fvfIXZ9GaQQSQeW7SaDMDFlIu45D1YPNxjs6+rC4LH/HCPq3itknctpyL2/3GvNqWunYW } iR2igCusOvmtLw8/Gt2EUeBwzPVSk= ; } 6, 18 -- Message-ID: } {20050810152507.54962.qmail-at-web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com} } 6, 18 -- Received: from [128.249.54.90] by web33609.mail.mud.yahoo.com } via HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:25:07 PDT } 6, 18 -- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT) } 6, 18 -- From: claire haueter {lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com} } 6, 18 -- Subject: TEM of agar encapsulated sample } 6, 18 -- To: Microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 6, 18 -- MIME-Version: 1.0 } 6, 18 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 } 6, 18 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit } ==============================End of - } Headers============================== } } } This incoming email to UWE has been independently scanned for viruses } and any virus detected has been removed using McAfee anti-virus software } } } This email has been independently scanned for viruses and any virus } software has been removed using McAfee anti-virus software } } } ==============================Original Headers============================== } 18, 30 -- From David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk Wed Aug 10 10:45:23 2005 } 18, 30 -- Received: from mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk (mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk } [164.11.132.63]) } 18, 30 -- by ns.microscopy.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id } j7AFjMEx003417 } 18, 30 -- for {Microscopy-at-microscopy.com} ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 } 10:45:23 -0500 } 18, 30 -- Received: from (164.11.132.62) by mailapp02.uwe.ac.uk via smtp } 18, 30 -- id 5719_259766c8_09b6_11da_859b_0002b3c90020; } 18, 30 -- Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:48:07 +0100 (BST) } 18, 30 -- Received: from egen-uwe01.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk } 18, 30 -- (egen-uwe01.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk [164.11.249.121]) } 18, 30 -- by mta02.uwe.ac.uk (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix } 2.07 (built Jun 24 } 18, 30 -- 2005)) with ESMTP id {0IL000DNXJRJG0-at-mta02.uwe.ac.uk} for } 18, 30 -- Microscopy-at-microscopy.com; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:45:19 +0100 (BST) } 18, 30 -- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:45:21 +0100 } 18, 30 -- From: David Patton {David.Patton-at-uwe.ac.uk} } 18, 30 -- Subject: RE: [Microscopy] TEM of agar encapsulated sample } 18, 30 -- To: lukeclaire-at-yahoo.com } 18, 30 -- Cc: Microscopy-at-microscopy.com } 18, 30 -- Message-id: {F247F674896BE243AD8263C5280E2BDBF84BBB-at-NBUEGEN01} } 18, 30 -- MIME-version: 1.0 } 18, 30 -- X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 } 18, 30 -- Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii } 18, 30 -- Content-class: urn:content-classes:message } 18, 30 -- Thread-topic: [Microscopy] TEM of agar encapsulated sample } 18, 30 -- Thread-index: AcWdv+Jn8uEacgL8SY2jTLeJv8vjSwAAeMUg } 18, 30 -- X-MS-Has-Attach: } 18, 30 -- X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: } 18, 30 -- X-NAIMIME-Disclaimer: 1 } 18, 30 -- X-NAIMIME-Modified: 1 } 18, 30 -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit } 18, 30 -- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by } ns.microscopy.com id j7AFjMEx003417 } ==============================End of - Headers==============================